Although I'm straying from the monicker of MOST underrated rider, Matteo Montaguti always put in great work regardless of whether he's on domestique duties or in a breakaway in hilly stages/races. Due a stage win in a GT or lumpy one-day race soon.
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Also he is being underrated in general in the cycling world because he's not doing GT's and classics. And I can see why. But i.e. last year after he won Suisse you could read almost everywhere how he was a surprising winner. Why exactly? How was he a surprising winner over Pinot, Thomas, Dumoulin, Majka, Pozzo, Fuglsang, Chaves...?
I'd like to hear some arguments in favour of that statement. I can't find them. Maybe one is that he hasn't shown anything in a GT but that doesn't matter for a race like TdS. The other might be that he was not as hyped. But that's irrelevant, too. Imo it was clear before the race that he was one of the 3 major contenders. I'm talking about last year, mind you. This year is a different story, Pinot and some other riders have been a step ahead.
In the end it doesn't matter. He likes being under the radar and the results speak for itselves. But if you are talking about underrated and overrated riders, Spilak should be more on the underrated side. If there's one person who overrates him, it's me
And that's because I follow him closely and have a strong feeling he is capable of more that he is actually showing us.
He's rated fine here. But BigMac said he's got a strong bandwagon around here, which is not true.PremierAndrew said:
Also he is being underrated in general in the cycling world because he's not doing GT's and classics. And I can see why. But i.e. last year after he won Suisse you could read almost everywhere how he was a surprising winner. Why exactly? How was he a surprising winner over Pinot, Thomas, Dumoulin, Majka, Pozzo, Fuglsang, Chaves...?
I'd like to hear some arguments in favour of that statement. I can't find them. Maybe one is that he hasn't shown anything in a GT but that doesn't matter for a race like TdS. The other might be that he was not as hyped. But that's irrelevant, too. Imo it was clear before the race that he was one of the 3 major contenders. I'm talking about last year, mind you. This year is a different story, Pinot and some other riders have been a step ahead.
In the end it doesn't matter. He likes being under the radar and the results speak for itselves. But if you are talking about underrated and overrated riders, Spilak should be more on the underrated side. If there's one person who overrates him, it's me
And that's because I follow him closely and have a strong feeling he is capable of more that he is actually showing us.
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Valverde is amazing in hilly classics, everyone knows it and is very good and extremely consistent in GTs, everyone knows so too. He doesn't have that many fans relative to talent and achievement but that's a testament to how he rides, not his undoubtedly fantastic achievements. And he still ha squirts a few fans, to say the least. And LRP, well what too say? He doesn't deserve any hype for GTs, and all know his strength in 1-week races. Saying Porte can do well in GTs is based on approximately zero evidence from GTs, and hence he deserves very little hype. We're not hyping up Spilak for top-10s, are we?
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Valverde is amazing in hilly classics, everyone knows it and is very good and extremely consistent in GTs, everyone knows so too. He doesn't have that many fans relative to talent and achievement but that's a testament to how he rides, not his undoubtedly fantastic achievements. And he still ha squirts a few fans, to say the least. And LRP, well what too say? He doesn't deserve any hype for GTs, and all know his strength in 1-week races. Saying Porte can do well in GTs is based on approximately zero evidence from GTs, and hence he deserves very little hype. We're not hyping up Spilak for top-10s, are we?
Quintana, Porte, L.L.Sanchez, Majka, Valverde, Purito. sure if we have a talk about being underrated within the forumboard.
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I think the recent thread comparing Valverde and Nibali was so incredibly biased towards Nibali that I have a hard time seeing Valverde not being underrated here - at least his palmarés is. I think many let their dislike for Valverde cloud their judgement of just how good a rider he is. I think you can put Froome in that same category. That may just be me speculating and babbling. I think Valverde deserves more respect than he current is getting.
Porte? The rider with the greatest grin will show why he is being underrated. Im on deep waters here, but Porte has it in him.
Brullnux said:WhatValv.Piti said:
Valverde is amazing in hilly classics, everyone knows it and is very good and extremely consistent in GTs, everyone knows so too. He doesn't have that many fans relative to talent and achievement but that's a testament to how he rides, not his undoubtedly fantastic achievements. And he still ha squirts a few fans, to say the least. And LRP, well what too say? He doesn't deserve any hype for GTs, and all know his strength in 1-week races. Saying Porte can do well in GTs is based on approximately zero evidence from GTs, and hence he deserves very little hype. We're not hyping up Spilak for top-10s, are we?
I think the recent thread comparing Valverde and Nibali was so incredibly biased towards Nibali that I have a hard time seeing Valverde not being underrated here - at least his palmarés is. I think many let their dislike for Valverde cloud their judgement of just how good a rider he is. I think you can put Froome in that same category. That may just be me speculating and babbling. I think Valverde deserves more respect than he current is getting.
Porte? The rider with the greatest grin will show why he is being underrated. Im on deep waters here, but Porte has it in him.
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Oh you were being serious about Porte and Valverde?
Many people believe Valverde is the most talented cyclist of his generation. So how can he possibly be underrated?
When it comes to the comparison of Nibali and Valverde, the issue was not Piti being underrated, but rather Nibali being massively overrated.
As for Porte, well he's known as one of the best in the world for week long races, and is yet to show consistency over 3 weeks in a Grand Tour. He failed miserably when given the chance both in the 2014 Tour and 2015 Giro.
Valv.Piti said:Brullnux said:WhatValv.Piti said:
Valverde is amazing in hilly classics, everyone knows it and is very good and extremely consistent in GTs, everyone knows so too. He doesn't have that many fans relative to talent and achievement but that's a testament to how he rides, not his undoubtedly fantastic achievements. And he still ha squirts a few fans, to say the least. And LRP, well what too say? He doesn't deserve any hype for GTs, and all know his strength in 1-week races. Saying Porte can do well in GTs is based on approximately zero evidence from GTs, and hence he deserves very little hype. We're not hyping up Spilak for top-10s, are we?
I think the recent thread comparing Valverde and Nibali was so incredibly biased towards Nibali that I have a hard time seeing Valverde not being underrated here - at least his palmarés is. I think many let their dislike for Valverde cloud their judgement of just how good a rider he is. I think you can put Froome in that same category. That may just be me speculating and babbling. I think Valverde deserves more respect than he current is getting.
Porte? The rider with the greatest grin will show why he is being underrated. Im on deep waters here, but Porte has it in him.
Oh you were being serious about Porte and Valverde?
Many people believe Valverde is the most talented cyclist of his generation. So how can he possibly be underrated?
When it comes to the comparison of Nibali and Valverde, the issue was not Piti being underrated, but rather Nibali being massively overrated.
As for Porte, well he's known as one of the best in the world for week long races, and is yet to show consistency over 3 weeks in a Grand Tour. He failed miserably when given the chance both in the 2014 Tour and 2015 Giro.
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Also about your first sentence. What's wrong with that? He should be one of the most tipped riders in first part of the season because of his past results. And don't get me wrong. This forum is fine. Anyone has his favourites but in general the posters know a lot about cycling and rate the riders right. I was talking more in a general view about Spilak. Other sites, cycling experts and reporters underrate him.
See that's part of the problem. Many think he is good only in rainy conditions which is false. Last time I watched a stream on CyclingHub and the guy who runs the site tipped him for a stage in Belgium because it was raining. This year on the queen stage in PV he was average despite the rain, because his condition this year has not been ideal. While last year when he won in Suisse there was not a single rainy day in GC relevant stages. It doesn't matter, rain or no rain. It's the heat that's the problem. He suffers the heat.BigMac said:
Also about your first sentence. What's wrong with that? He should be one of the most tipped riders in first part of the season because of his past results. And don't get me wrong. This forum is fine. Anyone has his favourites but in general the posters know a lot about cycling and rate the riders right. I was talking more in a general view about Spilak. Other sites, cycling experts and reporters underrate him.
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By rain, I also mean, by extension, the cold. He's not just picked for the win when it's raining, nor was that what I was trying to say.
About my first sentence: there's nothing wrong with it. That is precisely the point. He should be tipped for those races and, well, is. Hence, he is not underrated.
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By rain, I also mean, by extension, the cold. He's not just picked for the win when it's raining, nor was that what I was trying to say.
About my first sentence: there's nothing wrong with it. That is precisely the point. He should be tipped for those races and, well, is. Hence, he is not underrated.
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Riders like Nibali or Valverde don't really get overrated or underrated across the board. Usually they're underrated by some, while overrated by others, so it cancels out a bit.
What can be over or underrated are specific subskills of these riders. Also subskills are often confused for one another
What can be over or underrated are specific subskills of these riders. Also subskills are often confused for one another
I also think Kittel is a good example of a very underrated rider. He gets tons of heat but is one of the fastets sprinters of all time and therefore a amazing rider no matter how bad he climbs. He should be rated as one of the best riders in the peloton but is not.
So many other so called underrated riders are in fact more overrated since everyone considders them underrated and therefore rates them, could be good mediocre riders like Sbaragli and Finetto for instance that often gets the underrated label.
Also Trentin is not underrated at all, we all know he is an amazing rider, that just has a bad teamrole limiting him, but he often gets more overated when everyone thinks he can win Flanders or Roubaix if not for the team-role, when infact it is doubtful that his engine is good enough for that helperroles or not.
So many other so called underrated riders are in fact more overrated since everyone considders them underrated and therefore rates them, could be good mediocre riders like Sbaragli and Finetto for instance that often gets the underrated label.
Also Trentin is not underrated at all, we all know he is an amazing rider, that just has a bad teamrole limiting him, but he often gets more overated when everyone thinks he can win Flanders or Roubaix if not for the team-role, when infact it is doubtful that his engine is good enough for that helperroles or not.
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THIS!
I think the same goes for a few riders that people have mentioned here, they are confusing dislike and underrated
hrotha said:
THIS!
I think the same goes for a few riders that people have mentioned here, they are confusing dislike and underrated
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I think the most underrated are the really strong diesels that drive the peloton along on the flat and haul in breaks, usually done off-camera. Mountain doms, classics contenders and stage winners all get loads of air-time and everyone who even loosely follows cycling knows more or less who they are and what they are good at.
Some of them like Tony Martin and Stannard are already recognised and rated because they have other skills which allow them to shine, but some are just near anonymous riders who put out huge power and are underappreciated (except by their team). Riders like Tossatto, Herrada, Siutsou and Hansen are all as crucial as mountain doms for their teams, but generally not as highly regarded.
Also lead out men - not the last man, they are usually quite well rated - but the other riders in it. They do just as important job, perhaps more so than the last man, but get relatively little recognition. Someone like Guarnieri or Sieberg.
Some of them like Tony Martin and Stannard are already recognised and rated because they have other skills which allow them to shine, but some are just near anonymous riders who put out huge power and are underappreciated (except by their team). Riders like Tossatto, Herrada, Siutsou and Hansen are all as crucial as mountain doms for their teams, but generally not as highly regarded.
Also lead out men - not the last man, they are usually quite well rated - but the other riders in it. They do just as important job, perhaps more so than the last man, but get relatively little recognition. Someone like Guarnieri or Sieberg.
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I like to look at the pro teams who possibly underrated a rider and let them go, only to be shown up the next year or two by that same rider. Trek didn't rate Bob Jungels, for example.
You could argue that 3/4 of Sky were all underrated , who figured Geraint Thomas would be a GT threat?
I'd put Tom Dumoulin in the mix too.
You could argue that 3/4 of Sky were all underrated
, who figured Geraint Thomas would be a GT threat? I'd put Tom Dumoulin in the mix too.
Trek did rate Bob Jungels. He just got greedy after doing well in the closing stages of the Tour last year. A few weeks ago Cyclingnews ran a feature on Jungels and why he didn't renew his contract with Trek. You can probably find it if you google it.
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i think this is a category majka falls in as well,because for some reason riding for top 5 in GT is considered bad career choice on this forum ...i even read suggestion that he should give up and become a domestique ...WTF?
now im not a big fan of his or anything and yes his style of riding is boring,but he is not the best climber out there so getting consistent top 10 or top 5 results in GT is actually pretty solid result,its not amazing but still counts...yet because of the style of his riding he is basically a c**t if you read this forum
hrotha said:
i think this is a category majka falls in as well,because for some reason riding for top 5 in GT is considered bad career choice on this forum ...i even read suggestion that he should give up and become a domestique ...WTF?
now im not a big fan of his or anything and yes his style of riding is boring,but he is not the best climber out there so getting consistent top 10 or top 5 results in GT is actually pretty solid result,its not amazing but still counts...yet because of the style of his riding he is basically a c**t if you read this forum
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Just read the article, thanks for pointing it out. There are some key statements made in it though:
"Two years, an increased salary, and a plan to develop him; that was all the rider needed to hear."
"The Alpe d'Huez stage showed that he had the potential of a three-week engine. That basically brought the interest from Etixx.."
Trek felt they were offering him the right deal based on what they were getting out of him, so they all thought it was fair at the time but as soon as Bob started showing his, possibly, real potential, everything changed. It doesn't say anything about Trek coming in with a better offer due to his better performance in that TDF whereas Etixx saw it and jumped at the chance. It looks, even from that article, that Trek still weren't sure about him, didn't offer something better and missed out. At least that's how I read it.
Homo Helveticus said:
Just read the article, thanks for pointing it out. There are some key statements made in it though:
"Two years, an increased salary, and a plan to develop him; that was all the rider needed to hear."
"The Alpe d'Huez stage showed that he had the potential of a three-week engine. That basically brought the interest from Etixx.."
Trek felt they were offering him the right deal based on what they were getting out of him, so they all thought it was fair at the time but as soon as Bob started showing his, possibly, real potential, everything changed. It doesn't say anything about Trek coming in with a better offer due to his better performance in that TDF whereas Etixx saw it and jumped at the chance. It looks, even from that article, that Trek still weren't sure about him, didn't offer something better and missed out. At least that's how I read it.
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