Tour de France Motogate-Stage 14 of the 2023 Tour de France

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

I’m a Vingegaard fan but the motos blocking Pogi’s attack was ridiculous. The organizers should’ve put barriers up there, and that was atrocious. Is there anything else that should’ve been done?

 

[Peyroteo94]

What a robbery. Pogacar would be in yellow after tomorrow.

 

[Red Rick]

I’m a Vingegaard fan but the motos blocking Pogi’s attack was ridiculous. The organizers should’ve put barriers up there, and that was atrocious. Is there anything else that should’ve been done?

Pogacar was huffing exhaust fumes non stop when Vingegaard was on a gap and didn't complain then.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Pogacar was huffing exhaust fumes non stop when Vingegaard was on a gap and didn't complain then.

I agree that Pogi’s moto pacing was also ridiculous but still a moto shouldn’t block an attack.

 

[DNP-Old]

Pogacar was huffing exhaust fumes non stop when Vingegaard was on a gap and didn't complain then.

Oh okay, that makes everything alright.

 

[Red Rick]

Oh okay, that makes everything alright.

He lost the sprint right afterwards. Are we really gonna pretend he would have dropped Vingegaard there?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He lost the sprint right afterwards. Are we really gonna pretend he would have dropped Vingegaard there?

Not really but more likely to get a bonus and actually stay clear of Rodriguez.

 

[theyoungest]

What a robbery. Pogacar would be in yellow after tomorrow.

No way, Vingegaard is a better descender so any gap created he would have closed.

 

[DNP-Old]

He lost the sprint right afterwards. Are we really gonna pretend he would have dropped Vingegaard there?

I didn't say or imply anything. I just hate how people bring other situations into a discussion to justify another situation. So you can pretend or argue all you like, I'll comment on what I saw, which is a motard getting in the way of an attacking rider.

 

[Peyroteo94]

No way, Vingegaard is a better descender so any gap created he would have closed.

Read again, after tomorrow which means after stage 15

 

[Netserk]

Puy de Dôme was better.

 

[theyoungest]

Read again, after tomorrow which means after stage 15

I just assumed you meant tomorrow rather than "after tomorrow", because what happens tomorrow nobody knows. The trend isn't favouring one guy over the other, that's for sure.

 

[Red Rick]

I didn't say or imply anything. I just hate how people bring other situations into a discussion to justify another situation. So you can pretend or argue all you like, I'll comment on what I saw, which is a motard getting in the way of an attacking rider.

But it's the exact same problem, namely that moto bikes are too close to the riders.

 

[SHAD0W93]

He lost the sprint right afterwards. Are we really gonna pretend he would have dropped Vingegaard there?

Yes because it didn’t look like Pog was going to ride for it because of the motos and closed the gap Vinge created. Are we really going to pretend Vinge would have passed Pog’a sprint?

 

[DNP-Old]

But it's the exact same problem, namely that moto bikes are too close to the riders. But apparently sabotaging it one way is enough to start a heap of threads while for others it's just implicitly tolerated if it favors the right riders.

Not that it has anything to do with this, but fine, if you wish to go off-topic to drive home a non-existent point, I'll play. Name me any fan who tolerates motards in front of the riders and thereby influencing the outcome of a race.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

He lost the sprint right afterwards. Are we really gonna pretend he would have dropped Vingegaard there?

I think that if you try to think a little bit about that sprint you’ll see Pogacar lost that sprint because he was ridiculously stupid and kept waiting and waiting and just after Vingegaard started the sprint and passes him they crossed the line.

Vingegaard won that sprint because he paid attention and Pogacar did not, not because he was physically supreme.

 

[DNP-Old]

Puy de Dôme was better.

Absolutely, it is high time we rid of these morons. Should've been done after Charlet Reynard in 2015(?). Covid was a blessing in disguise.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Absolutely, it is high time we rid of these morons. Should've been done after Charlet Reynard in 2015(?). Covid was a blessing in disguise.

Puy de Dome felt whack in my opinion. Soulless.

Rick: You seriously believe Pogacar got beat by Vingegaard on the top? It was a matter of Tadej forgetting, I think thats obvious to anyone bar you to drive some weird point home.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

It's one of the most important Grand Tour traditions. A favourite must either crash out, withdraw, get barred, or blocked, have an ill-timed mechanical, a relegation or disqualification, an altercation with a fan, a contentious debate over upholding or not upholding unwritten rules, or something similar. Once it has happened, everything is OK with the world, because then it doesn't matter what happens or how negative racing becomes, the forum can entertain itself by arguing over what their favourite rider would have done if it hadn't been for it.

 

[tobydawq]

He lost the sprint right afterwards. Are we really gonna pretend he would have dropped Vingegaard there?

Lol, how can you have such poor takes??

 

[Berniece]

Just use drones, what is the function of two motors there? One is for tv, what’s the other one doing there?

 

[Netserk]

Absolutely, it is high time we rid of these morons. Should've been done after Charlet Reynard in 2015(?). Covid was a blessing in disguise.

The Kenyan Runner was in yellow there in 2016.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

The moto driver was probably one of those guys who gave Pantani that legendary draft on Cipressa back in the day and just wanted to make sure the Joux Plane record would still stand.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Sport without fans in attendance is like rock without guitars... if that's the solution, then count me out.

That being said, the difference in time, energy, effort and material spent on safeguarding between the climb and the descent of Joux-Plane is laughable. Surely having barriers along the road in the final kilometre of the climb is both easier to accomplish and more important than having audiovisual warnings for every last curve on the descent?

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Sport without fans in attendance is like rock without guitars... if that's the solution, then count me out.

That being said, the difference in time, energy, effort and material spent on safeguarding between the climb and the descent of Joux-Plane is laughable. Surely having barriers along the road in the final kilometre of the climb is both easier to accomplish and more important than having audiovisual warnings for every last curve on the descent?

I agree, sports needs fans to add a special element of emotion to them. The organizers clearly overnighted the need for barriers on the top, but surely they should’ve known spectators would’ve shown out for a stage like this.