Mr X Revealed

[bianchigirl]

Seems that the 'Mr X' in Contador's CAS hearing has stepped forward & accused Contador of doping since 2005 - Liberty Seguros soigneur says he saw Contador take insulin prescribed by team doctor Fuentes
http://www.interviu.es/reportajes/articulos/contador-se-dopaba-desde-2005

 

[hrotha]

Well I was expecting something a bit more spectacular (a pro rider! That would have been interesting), but this'll do. I was also expecting a lot more than insulin shots, maybe that kind of info is in the full article though (someone please buy the magazine, it has naked ladies).

What's interesting is that this guy didn't go to Interviú looking for money and fame. Allegedly they had access to the CAS proceeding record.

It's also interesting that Contador only started doping in 2005 according to this source. I always assumed he was at it from his Iberdrola days, what with it being Manolo's feeder team.

 

[bianchigirl]

Do you mean they had access to his identity? Anyone can access the CAS report from their website - this is where MR X first appeared (apologies if this has been discussed here already - haven't visited in a while )

 

[hrotha]

Do you mean they had access to his identity? Anyone can access the CAS report from their website - this is where MR X first appeared (apologies if this has been discussed here already - haven't visited in a while )

I don't mean they had access to the public CAS ruling, but to the actual record of proceeding, i.e. the whole enchilada, every piece of info the parties had access to.

 

[leftover pie]

just a disgruntled former employee with an axe to grind

WINK WINK

 

[gilbertador]

I think this simply reveals what everyone suspects, im still going to cheer for him though but his DS s have been Manolol Saiz - Bruyneel - Martinelli - Riis....hardly evidence of clenliness in any way

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Seems that the 'Mr X' in Contador's CAS hearing has stepped forward & accused Contador of doping since 2005 - Liberty Seguros soigneur says he saw Contador take insulin prescribed by team doctor Fuentes
http://www.interviu.es/reportajes/articulos/contador-se-dopaba-desde-2005

Doesn't do the credibility of the article much good by the cycling mag serving soft "pron"/ dating ads in it's sidebar - does it?

 

[hrotha]

Doesn't do the credibility of the article much good by the cycling mag serving soft "pron"/ dating ads in it's sidebar - does it?

It's not a cycling magazine, and those aren't ads but part of the content. It's similar to Playboy, but with more emphasis on the articles and much less pr0n.

 

[Christian]

Says he is scared for his life and that of his family...

Also funny to read some of the comments, like "stick with showing naked chicks and leave cycling alone"

 

[LaFlorecita]

Says he is scared for his life and that of his family...

MOD note: surely you are not threatening violence? Becuase that would be a bannable offense.

Susan

Fleur's reaction: not really. That is something I'd never do.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Let me quote a wise friend of mine:

So-called witnesses popping up with an axe to grind (or someone's money lining their pockets) have zero credibility to me.

And even if it were true, it would not change my mind about Alberto. A syringe did not make him the kind of person and rider he is.

 

[hrotha]

Let me quote a wise friend of mine:

What money is lining the pockets of this witness? What axe does he have to grind? Why "so-called"?

 

[Bala Verde]

Well he was the only one who could follow Rasmussen in 2007, so I think we had some kind of 'positive' confirmation he was on the juice then.

If what Mr X says is true, it's surprising that he only started in 2005, or 2 years before that particular TdF.

In 2005, he was (only) 22/23 (born December 1982).

Did he say anything about it being systemic/team wide, or was it individual?

According to de wielersite, these were his team mates:

Andrle, René
Tsjechië 01-04-1974 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Baranowski, Dariusz
Polen 22-06-1972 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Barredo Llamazales, Carlos
Spanje 05-06-1981 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Beloki Dorronsoro, Joseba
Spanje 12-08-1973 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Caruso, Giampaolo
Italië 15-08-1980 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Contador Velasco, Alberto
Spanje 06-12-1982 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Davis, Allan
Australië 27-07-1980 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

De Kort, Koen
Nederland 08-09-1982 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Etxebarria Alkorta, David
Spanje 23-07-1973 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Gil Perez, Koldo
Spanje 16-10-1978 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Gonzalez de Galdeano Aranzabal, Igor
Spanje 01-11-1973 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Heras Hernandez, Roberto
Spanje 01-02-1974 vanaf 01-01 tot 25-11

Hernandez Blazquez, Jesus Alberto
Spanje 28-09-1981 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Hruska, Jan
Tsjechië 04-02-1975 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Jaksche, Jörg
Duitsland 23-07-1976 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Kemps, Aaron
Australië 10-09-1983 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Navarro Garcia, Daniel
Spanje 08-07-1983 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Nozal Vega, Isidro
Spanje 18-10-1977 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Paulinho Moreira, Sergio Miguel
Portugal 26-03-1980 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Ramirez Abeja, Javier
Spanje 14-03-1978 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Redondo Ramos, José Antonio
Spanje 05-03-1985 vanaf 23-07 tot 31-12

Ribeiro Gaspar, Nuno Jorge
Portugal 09-09-1977 vanaf 01-01 tot 06-05

Rojas Gil, José Joaquin
Spanje 06-08-1985 vanaf 01-08 tot 31-12 (Stagiair)

Sánchez Gil, Luis León
Spanje 24-11-1983 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Sánchez Prado, Eladio
Spanje 12-07-1984 vanaf 01-08 tot 31-12 (Stagiair)

Santos Martinez, Ivan
Spanje 18-02-1982 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Scarponi, Michele
Italië 25-09-1979 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Serrano Rodriguez, Marcos Antonio
Spanje 08-09-1972 vanaf 01-01 tot 31-12

Vicioso Arcos, Angel
Spanje

 

[hrotha]

Did he say anything about it being systemic/team wide, or was it individual?

I haven't read the full article, but the blurb says Fuentes was their acting doctor at the time (without being the official team doctor, of course). Considering that and the Puerto evidence, I'd say it was team wide.

 

[hrotha]

Did he say anything about it being systemic/team wide, or was it individual?

Haven't read the full article, but the blurb includes this quote by the witness:

"Contador received insulin shots during the 2005 Tour de France. Eufemiano Fuentes was the de facto team doctor, and insulin [...] was part of the program for everybody"

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

thats my kind of team

 

[LaFlorecita]

So does the article say he started doping in 2005? Or just that he was doping at that time?

 

[LaFlorecita]

thats my kind of team

Did you see Jesus was in that team? That immediately makes the team more awesome.

 

[hrotha]

So does the article say he started doping in 2005? Or just that he was doping at that time?

It only says he doped at the 2005 Tour, not a word about his doping before or after. Without reading the full article it's impossible to know.

Did you see Jesus was in that team? That immediately makes the team more awesome.

Did you know Jesús said in court that he got heat patches (believed to be testosterone patches) at Liberty, but naturally the Spanish fed did nothing about it.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Florecita, if you have no reasonable arguments to make, then stay out of the thread.

Insulting everyone who says anything negative about your favourite rider is not the way to go. And will eventually lead to sanctions for you.

And yes, you may consider this a warning.

Susan

 

[Publicus]

This is something I've always been curious about, but never seen discussed in the context of his doping allegations: how do these various drugs interact with his anti-seizure and other medications? Has this been discussed somewhere? I'm not a doping afficianado so I could have missed it.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Florecita, if you have no reasonable arguments to make, then stay out of the thread.

Insulting everyone who says anything negative about your favourite rider is not the way to go. And will eventually lead to sanctions for you.

And yes, you may consider this a warning.

Susan

Jesus christ it was a joke. A JOKE.

You can ban me if it's not even allowed to joke around anymore. Jesus. Thank god there is another forum where joking is allowed.

 

[LaFlorecita]

This is something I've always been curious about, but never seen discussed in the context of his doping allegations: how do these various drugs interact with his anti-seizure and other medications? Has this been discussed somewhere? I'm not a doping afficianado so I could have missed it.

No it hasn't been discussed but it makes me wonder.

 

[Bala Verde]

Haven't read the full article, but the blurb includes this quote by the witness:

"Contador received insulin shots during the 2005 Tour de France. Eufemiano Fuentes was the de facto team doctor, and insulin [...] was part of the program for everybody"

I just started reading it more in depth:

“A Contador se le administraron inyecciones de insulina durante el Tour de Francia de 2005. Eufemiano Fuentes era de facto el médico del equipo y la insulina [un producto prohibido en el deporte y que aumenta el rendimiento] formaba parte del tratamiento para todos

So the eyewitness saw it, at least once involving Contador, specifically during the TdF of 2005, although he also admits it was 'parte del tratamiento para todos' (everyone on the 2005 TdF team underwent that treatment)

Eufemiano Fuentes [el médico acusado de dopar a ciclistas como Roberto Heras, Beloki, Ivan Basso y Jan Ulrich, entre otros] era de facto el médico del equipo. Y la insulina formaba parte del plan de tratamiento para todos

Fuentes [the doctor accused of having doped cyclists including Heras, Beloki, Basso and Ulrich] was 'de facto' team doctor. Insulin was part of the '(treatment) program' for all.

The lawyers of Contador responded:

Niega las acusaciones del testigo sin nombre de que estuviera implicado en un plan de dopaje o de que se pusiera inyecciones de insulina… El Tribunal se habrá percatado de que el testigo se refiere al infame doctor Fuentes, protagonista de la ‘operación Puerto’. El acusado ya fue objeto de una investigación exhaustiva en 2006 y en agosto de aquel año fue exonerado por los tribunales españoles y por la Unión Ciclista Internacional de cualquier vinculación

He [Contador] denies the accusations made by the nameless witness, that he [Contador] was involved in a doping program, or that he took insulin shots. The Tribunal should take notice that the witness refers to infamous doctor Fuentes, key player in "operacion puerto." The accused [Contador] had already been subject to an exhaustive investigation in 2006 and in august of that year he was cleared by the Spanish tribunals and the UCI of any links.

Basically arguing that, because Spain/UCI had cleared him of any connections with Fuentes, Fuentes could not have provided him with, or instructed him to use insulin during the 2005 TdF...

So it's his position that Spanish and UCI investigations are infallible

 

[luckyboy]

Did he say anything about it being systemic/team wide, or was it individual?

Well Fuentes was team doctor so..