Mr X Revealed

[mr. tibbs]

"in August of that year he was cleared from any implication whatsoever by the Spanish courts and by the International Cycling Union (sic)."

"in August of that year he was cleared from any implication whatsoever by the Spanish courts and by the International Cycling Union [sic]."

Fixed for you, CN.

 

[Red Rick]

I know what insulin does, but how is it beneficial for a rider, i'd sooner think that glucagon would be beneficial.

Maybe he has secretly got diabetes

 

[Bala Verde]

Well Fuentes was team doctor so..

Yep. Still makes me wonder if Fuentes 'as de facto team doctor (i.e. behind the scenes, a 'consulting doctor'?) was only used during major events such as the TdF and for that elite team (constituting everybody) or that he was working around the clock to provide everyone on the entire roster with gynecological advice, for all, or most races.

 

[hrotha]

Yep. Still makes me wonder if Fuentes 'as de facto team doctor (i.e. behind the scenes, a 'consulting doctor'?) was only used during major events such as the TdF and for that elite team (constituting everybody) or that he was working around the clock to provide everyone on the entire roster with gynecological advice, for all, or most races.

The whole team roster appeared in the Puerto papers with programs attached to them, so there.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

"in August of that year he was cleared from any implication whatsoever by the Spanish courts and by the International Cycling Union [sic]."



Fixed for you, CN.

Perhaps the (sic) is there because the from is grammatically dubious.
May be it should be an of.

 

[Bala Verde]

The whole team roster appeared in the Puerto papers with programs attached to them, so there.

thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Fetisoff]

I know what insulin does, but how is it beneficial for a rider, i'd sooner think that glucagon would be beneficial.

Maybe he has secretly got diabetes

Hypoglycemia leads to an elevation in growth hormone, and insulin causes hypoglycemia.

But as far as I know nobody dopes with just insulin, it's used together with roids or HGH

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Jesus christ it was a joke. A JOKE.

You can ban me if it's not even allowed to joke around anymore. Jesus. Thank god there is another forum where joking is allowed.

Aren't the mods here noted for their total lack of humour? Especially when it concerns threats of violence, whether meant humourously or not.

And please calm down. This is just an internet forum, not life or death.

Susan

 

[Bala Verde]

The 2005 TdF he ended 31st at an hour and was third best young rider. I don't know what his role and tasks were during that TdF. It wasn't a very successful year for Liberty Seguros on a team program, with Jorg finishing 16th only.

GC
1 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery Channel 86.15.02 (41.654 km/h)
2 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team CSC 4.40
3 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team 6.21
4 Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne 9.59
5 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) T-Mobile Team 11.01
6 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Gerolsteiner 11.21
7 Michael Rasmussen (Den) Rabobank 11.33
8 Cadel Evans (Aus) Davitamon-Lotto 11.55
9 Floyd Landis (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems 12.44
10 Oscar Pereiro Sio (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems 16.04
11 Christophe Moreau (Fra) Credit Agricole 16.26
12 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Discovery Channel 19.02
13 Eddy Mazzoleni (Ita) Lampre-Caffita 21.06
14 George Hincapie (USA) Discovery Channel 23.40
15 Haimar Zubeldia (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 23.43
16 Jörg Jaksche (Ger) Liberty Seguros-Würth 24.07
17 Bobby Julich (USA) Team CSC 24.08
18 Oscar Sevilla (Spa) T-Mobile Team 27.45
19 Andrei Kashechkin (Kaz) Credit Agricole 28.04
20 Giuseppe Guerini (Ita) T-Mobile Team 33.02
21 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 34.24
22 Xabier Zandio (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne 36.20
23 Leonardo Piepoli (Ita) Saunier Duval-Prodir
24 Michael Boogerd (Ned) Rabobank 38.29
25 Paolo Savoldelli (Ita) Discovery Channel 44.30
26 Georg Totschnig (Aut) Gerolsteiner 49.14
27 Mikel Astarloza (Spa) Ag2r-Prevoyance 54.03
28 Laurent Brochard (Fra) Bouygues Telecom 55.29
29 Sandy Casar (Fra) Française Des Jeux 56.47
30 Jose Azevedo (Por) Discovery Channel 59.48
31 Alberto Contador (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth 1.03.25

Young rider classification
1 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Discovery Channel 86.34.04
2 Andrei Kashechkin (Kaz) Credit Agricole 9.02
3 Alberto Contador (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth 44.23
4 Maxim Iglinski (Kaz) Domina Vacanze 59.42
5 Jérôme Pineau (Fra) Bouygues Telecom 1.12.36
6 Vladimir Karpets (Rus) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne 1.24.43
7 David Arroyo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne 1.35.10
8 Patrik Sinkewitz (Ger) Quick.Step 1.48.46
9 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Française Des Jeux
10 Philippe Gilbert (Bel) Française Des Jeux 2.04.58

 

[LaFlorecita]

Aren't the mods here noted for their total lack of humour? Especially when it concerns threats of violence, whether meant humourously or not.

And please calm down. This is just an internet forum, not life or death.

Susan

Edit: nevermind

 

[LaFlorecita]

The 2005 TdF he ended 31st at an hour and was third best young rider. I don't know what his role and tasks were during that TdF. It wasn't a very successful year for Liberty Seguros on a team program, with Jorg finishing 16th only.

His role was supporting Jaksche I think.

 

[hrotha]

He didn't have a role, really. They were riding for Heras, but he had one of his trademarked disastrous Tours so everybody was free to ride for themselves, get into breakaways and the like. Only Jaksche sort of went for the GC, but I don't recall him getting much support either.

 

[JRanton]

I always remember Armstrong's speech after the 2005 Tour.

Finally, the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics: I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is one hell of a race. This is a great sporting event and you should stand around and believe it. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets — this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it. So Vive le Tour forever!

Then look at that top 30 GC list. The greatest sporting fraud of all time.

 

[Christian]

I always remember Armstrong's speech after the 2005 Tour.



Then look at that top 30 GC list. The greatest sporting fraud of all time.

lol in hindsight that is pretty funny and sad....

 

[Lexman]

I always remember Armstrong's speech after the 2005 Tour.



Then look at that top 30 GC list. The greatest sporting fraud of all time.

Yeah indeed if you take a look back at that list and delete everyone who was suspended in his career... not much left...

 

[gilbertador]

Insulin is very useful for doping, essentially it helps delivery sugars to your muscles, if you take a load of sugar like gels your bloodsugar will rise to a level where you wont benefit from the gels, insulin allows that transportation, its an undetectable natural hormone so i dont know why you wouldnt take it, likewise the needles are tiny

 

[Merckx index]

Insulin is very useful for doping, essentially it helps delivery sugars to your muscles, if you take a load of sugar like gels your bloodsugar will rise to a level where you wont benefit from the gels, insulin allows that transportation, its an undetectable natural hormone so i dont know why you wouldnt take it, likewise the needles are tiny

Yes, and insulin also increases muscle mass (helping recovery) by inhibiting breakdown of protein and by increasing uptake of amino acids into muscle cells. There have been some attempts to develop a test for insulin (like EPO, it’s a natural substance but doping involves a synthetic version that is slightly different) by detection of degradation products in the urine. Pantani used it apparently.

This link is rather old but still useful: http://velonews.competitor.com/2003/03/news/ask-the-doctor_3657

 

[Suedehead]

..., its an undetectable natural hormone so i dont know why you wouldnt take it,...

From the article linked by MI:
"One of the biggest risks you face if you dabble in insulin abuse is that a hypoglycemic reaction (low blood sugar) can result in death, coma, brain damage or an epileptic fit. ... A milder hypoglycemic reaction will include confusion, sweating and unconsciousness. You might be too confused to call 911. If the EMTs find you they’ll have no idea you’ve taken insulin since you’re not a known diabetic, and may not be sharp enough to give you dextrose just in case."

That's why.

 

[bigloco]

I always remember Armstrong's speech after the 2005 Tour.



Then look at that top 30 GC list. The greatest sporting fraud of all time.

I think you meant top 31.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

just a disgruntled former employee with an axe to grind

WINK WINK

 

[Lanark]

From the article linked by MI:
"One of the biggest risks you face if you dabble in insulin abuse is that a hypoglycemic reaction (low blood sugar) can result in death, coma, brain damage or an epileptic fit. ... A milder hypoglycemic reaction will include confusion, sweating and unconsciousness. You might be too confused to call 911. If the EMTs find you they’ll have no idea you’ve taken insulin since you’re not a known diabetic, and may not be sharp enough to give you dextrose just in case."

That's why.

Apparently didn't stop Bjarne Riis in giving his riders insulin (by Jaksche's testimony).

 

[gilbertador]

From the article linked by MI:
"One of the biggest risks you face if you dabble in insulin abuse is that a hypoglycemic reaction (low blood sugar) can result in death, coma, brain damage or an epileptic fit. ... A milder hypoglycemic reaction will include confusion, sweating and unconsciousness. You might be too confused to call 911. If the EMTs find you they’ll have no idea you’ve taken insulin since you’re not a known diabetic, and may not be sharp enough to give you dextrose just in case."

That's why.

This is rubbish you would have to get it spectacularly wrong to have this affect, trust me with this drug i know what im talking about, a single unit will have a proportionally larger effect than 2 units, so a small amount is all that is really unit and a single unit drops your blood sugar by 3% with any sugar at all say half a SIS shake this effect will be covered. What your saying is extremely unlikely and would take a significant amount of the drug. blood sugar down to 1.8 and your still conscious and able to sort it out.

 

[Cloxxki]

I read some articles of diabetes patients making it work at world class competition. Doing testing with insulin injection, to best manage their levvels. What I remember of it, is that more was pretty much better. The way it read, was that insulin just worked as performance enhancer while actually being a life andd death necessity. I remember feleing uncomfortable that a diabetes patient may be using more than he needs to, and gain an unfair advantage. Like losing your legs, replacing them with carbon blades and end up running faster than any human over a given distance. That's where handicap ends, and PE starts.

 

[Deagol]

Jesus christ it was a joke. A JOKE.

You can ban me if it's not even allowed to joke around anymore. Jesus. Thank god there is another forum where joking is allowed.

A better joke is stubbornly defending a doped rider on no other basis than thinking he is "cute" and likes Weimaraners.

 

[42x16ss]

I read some articles of diabetes patients making it work at world class competition. Doing testing with insulin injection, to best manage their levvels. What I remember of it, is that more was pretty much better. The way it read, was that insulin just worked as performance enhancer while actually being a life andd death necessity. I remember feleing uncomfortable that a diabetes patient may be using more than he needs to, and gain an unfair advantage. Like losing your legs, replacing them with carbon blades and end up running faster than any human over a given distance. That's where handicap ends, and PE starts.

There would have to be some kind of limit though, otherwise Team Type One would be dominating the WT...