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Feb 25, 2010
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hrotha said:
No amen to Libertine. Libertine just needs to listen to early Against Me! and then we'll talk.
I didn't realise they weren't that old yet..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymrWeiBBiSk this is punkish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70hIRnj9kf8 Rise Against is the most punk band I can think of right now(concerning lyrics that is)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdmFXNtOAck Pure Gold by Dead Kennedys :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me4GR2cze_U Pennywise is punk as well and founded in the 80's
 
Sure, there was punk in the 80s. And some of it was even quite good (the less said about punk from the 90s onwards the better, though some of its subgenres have plenty of good music). But punk was not RELEVANT anymore. It had no power to shock or offend, and most of what it had to say had already been said by other punk bands already.

By the time we got to 1979, bands like Joy Division, Talking Heads, Public Image Ltd., Wire, Abwärts and Devo had moved things on. People like Gang of Four clearly had the same political leanings as the punks, but from a more intellectual standpoint. Former punk stalwarts like Siouxsie and the Banshees moved with the times. Many of their peers got left behind.

Some punk bands from later on had some good tunes. But let's not kid ourselves that they had the lasting impact of the first wave. Protest all you like - more people have heard of the Ramones and Iggy Pop than will ever hear of Against Me! or The Exploited.
 
Feb 25, 2010
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Libertine Seguros said:
Sure, there was punk in the 80s. And some of it was even quite good (the less said about punk from the 90s onwards the better, though some of its subgenres have plenty of good music). But punk was not RELEVANT anymore. It had no power to shock or offend, and most of what it had to say had already been said by other punk bands already.

By the time we got to 1979, bands like Joy Division, Talking Heads, Public Image Ltd., Wire, Abwärts and Devo had moved things on. People like Gang of Four clearly had the same political leanings as the punks, but from a more intellectual standpoint. Former punk stalwarts like Siouxsie and the Banshees moved with the times. Many of their peers got left behind.

Some punk bands from later on had some good tunes. But let's not kid ourselves that they had the lasting impact of the first wave. Protest all you like - more people have heard of the Ramones and Iggy Pop than will ever hear of Against Me! or The Exploited.
Yeah you're right but still, awesome music still :)
Ramones and Iggy are pretty awesome as well imo
 
Seriously? Are we going to judge a punk band on how mainstream it became?

The influence of Against Me! has been pretty huge, actually. They and a couple of other bands pretty much started the whole folk punk scene as we know it (and yes, there were precedents and they took after Violent Femmes, The Replacements and (Young) Pioneers in many aspects). Furthermore, for a few years in the early 00s Against Me! was a very ideological band, quite big among anarchist folks, and all of that as a completely DIY band (which is not the same as playing acoustic). The whole thing was sort of aborted when they became a more conventional band, but for a brief period they were the real deal. All that talk about punk not being able to be possibly relevant after the 70s is fetishizing of the classical punk bands (and shock and offense wasn't all there was to punk - The Clash became the epitome of smart punk after a couple of records).
 
I wasn't judging Against Me! on how mainstream punk is. As I said, there are some very good bands from later on. But the point was about how punk has not been relevant since the late 70s, as said by Crass. Crass were the last truly great punk band, because they saw it as it was.

The problem with punk is that a lot of it was very leaden and simplistic in its ideology. People like Henry Rollins, Jello Biafra and co. are much smarter people than the music would suggest. The determined unpretentiousness of it which had been one of its calling cards (musical simplicity, DIY ethic and art) eventually begat pretension, in the form of snobbishness about the values and ethics of various bands (and the whole 'selling out' mythos). Why should I care that one band is more DIY if the other one writes better songs? I'm not saying that you yourself are guilty of this, but I've met plenty of punks who've been like that (and there are plenty of élitist people like that in most genres - I've certainly been one myself at times).

I'm not necessarily fetishizing the classical punk bands, but rather pointing out that punk is an inherently limited genre. The bands who are influenced by the continuing punk bands after its initial explosion into the mainstream... most of them only grow into the self-contained scene that is modern punk. There are still smart guys in there, but they're increasingly preaching to the choir. Scope for innovation within the genre is limited because of its wilful self-restriction.

Public Image Ltd. were more innovative, creative, eclectic, intelligent and better than the Sex Pistols. Truth be told, post-punk as a genre I find more eclectic, innovative and rewarding, and thus my interest in punk after 1979 wanes quite a lot. There are still great albums after then ("Damaged" and "Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables" to name but the two most obvious) but punk became increasingly stagnant and static.
 
Feb 25, 2010
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on3m@n@rmy said:
Nice with Kanye.

keep this beat... funny... somehow reminded me of chip & dale, or woody the woodpecker.

Here's a little Eminem to the tune of Aerosmith's Dream On:
Eminem – Sing for the moment
that is one awesome cover, on of Eminems best songs imo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO2wA0Te0wM but this is his best imo

Anybody here likes Rise Against? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhldbymXK-8

and gangster paradise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFK6H_CcuX8
 
Libertine Seguros said:
I don't think any of the punks thought they could play the guitar like Eric Clapton or Jeff Beck, and that was precisely the point? Removing the baroque pretensions and excesses of 70s rock?
Was my recollection of a programme on Arte TV, a few years back. One of them, I don't remember whom, said something like he thought "the guitar was only reserved to the likes of Clapton or Jeff Beck and then there they came."

But they never could match these two, sure as hell !

Michielveedeebee said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vUDmFjWgVo

Best version of this song imo, Brothers in Arms!
Good call. One of the best songs there is. Edges towards space rock, a bit. Like the Floyd. ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tZ_uwDlmPY[/url]
 
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Echoes said:
Was my recollection of a programme on Arte TV, a few years back. One of them, I don't remember whom, said something like he thought "the guitar was only reserved to the likes of Clapton or Jeff Beck and then there they came."

But they never could match these two, sure as hell !
They didn't say they could play like clapton, did they?
They said you didn't have to be a guitar genius to play music anymore...
 

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