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Libertine Seguros said:
Next time you should check your sources (or simply have one) before just taking a wild guess like this.


Grabovskyy was reported to have taken an Israelian license a while ago.
Biarnes ‏@Biarnes72 june 9
Dmytro Grabovskyy qui semble courir dorénavant sous licence israélienne a remporté l'Apple Race (Israël) et 3 des 4 étapes #Sobre #Cyclisme


He has also won some stages and the GC of a race in Israel recently:
http://www.cyclingarchives.com/coureurfiche.php?coureurid=16831

Furthermore there is no mention of your suggested rider on the starting list: (which doesn't feature Dmytro as well but that's because he just holds an Israelian racing license and not holds citizenship)
http://www.cyclingfever.com/editie.html?detp=view&_ap=startlijst&editie_idd=MjQ1ODU=

Even the result doesn't add up. Why should some guy who once finished way down in the nationals 7 years ago suddenly go and blow the rest away by beating them by two minutes, whereas this would be the kind of result you could indeed expect from Dmytro Grabovskyy?

Finally we could simply check the website of the Israelian cycling federation, which simply states it was actually Dmytro Grabovskyy who set the fastest time.
http://www.ofanaim.org.il/index.php?dir=site&page=articles&op=item&cs=3862&langpage=heb
 
Meh, it was not a wild guess. If you use CQ regularly you'll have seen MANY instances where the wrong rider pops up because they share the same surname. And it's not easy at all to spot the mention of דימיטרו גרבובסקי.
 
qwerty16 said:
Next time you should check your sources (or simply have one) before just taking a wild guess like this.


Grabovskyy was reported to have taken an Israelian license a while ago.
Biarnes ‏@Biarnes72 june 9
Dmytro Grabovskyy qui semble courir dorénavant sous licence israélienne a remporté l'Apple Race (Israël) et 3 des 4 étapes #Sobre #Cyclisme


He has also won some stages and the GC of a race in Israel recently:
http://www.cyclingarchives.com/coureurfiche.php?coureurid=16831

Furthermore there is no mention of your suggested rider on the starting list: (which doesn't feature Dmytro as well but that's because he just holds an Israelian racing license and not holds citizenship)
http://www.cyclingfever.com/editie.html?detp=view&_ap=startlijst&editie_idd=MjQ1ODU=

Even the result doesn't add up. Why should some guy who once finished way down in the nationals 7 years ago suddenly go and blow the rest away by beating them by two minutes, whereas this would be the kind of result you could indeed expect from Dmytro Grabovskyy?

Finally we could simply check the website of the Israelian cycling federation, which simply states it was actually Dmytro Grabovskyy who set the fastest time.
http://www.ofanaim.org.il/index.php?dir=site&page=articles&op=item&cs=3862&langpage=heb
And if we don't follow the exact correct sources or recall obscure news stories from a few weeks ago, and we know that CQ has regularly had errors like this due to similar or same surnames and amends them before long, is it really that much of a stab in the dark?

I know I have the reputation as a bit of an oracle on the sport, but I don't follow absolutely everything, and Dmitro Grabovskyy riding the Apple Race and considering taking an Israeli licence is not the kind of news that will filter down to all but the most dedicated.

Without that information to hand, just like, you know, all but the most obsessive Israeli cycling fans, is it really that unlikely that a guy who rode the nationals unsuccessfully a few years ago might come back and win them? After all, CQ doesn't list what happened in the race, just who won. It doesn't say he smashed the field, he could have got lucky from a long solo break. That seems no more far-fetched than a Ukrainian ex-pro, until you have the context about the Apple Race and the licence. After all, you point out that neither of them appear on the start list, and who would you have thought is more likely to be at the start but accidentally missed off the startlist of the Israeli nationals, an Israeli who raced them before, or a guy from the Ukraine?
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
And if we don't follow the exact correct sources or recall obscure news stories from a few weeks ago, and we know that CQ has regularly had errors like this due to similar or same surnames and amends them before long, is it really that much of a stab in the dark?

I know I have the reputation as a bit of an oracle on the sport, but I don't follow absolutely everything, and Dmitro Grabovskyy riding the Apple Race and considering taking an Israeli licence is not the kind of news that will filter down to all but the most dedicated.

Without that information to hand, just like, you know, all but the most obsessive Israeli cycling fans, is it really that unlikely that a guy who rode the nationals unsuccessfully a few years ago might come back and win them? After all, CQ doesn't list what happened in the race, just who won. It doesn't say he smashed the field, he could have got lucky from a long solo break. That seems no more far-fetched than a Ukrainian ex-pro, until you have the context about the Apple Race and the licence. After all, you point out that neither of them appear on the start list, and who would you have thought is more likely to be at the start but accidentally missed off the startlist of the Israeli nationals, an Israeli who raced them before, or a guy from the Ukraine?
CQ states time differences. Besides it was a time trial and not a road race as you seem to think. Therefore it was indeed quite a wild guess.

I am not from Israël nor do I follow their local cycling closely. I saw the news about Grabovskyy racing under an Israelian license fly past on twitter a few weeks ago. Still I wasn't sure CQ were right either hence I did a quick google and got all these sources.
 

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