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As to Belicheck, if the Patriots fired him tomorrow, nearly every other team in the league would fire their coach ASAP to get him. I think what Bum Phillips said about Don Shula truly plays to Belicheck. He could beat you with his players, or you could switch teams, and he'd beat you with your players.

I remember reading that before...great!

Meanwhile, the 49ers have come up with an unheard of idea. During practices, every 27 minutes the practice will stop so that players can be active on social media. I kid you not. This is not an Onion article. It's rooted in a Stanford study that after 27 minutes, the millennial generation on average can no longer keep their attention. Could you imagine Belichek, Jeff Fisher or Tom Coughlin doing this? Somewhere Tom Landry, Chuck Noll and Vince Lombardi are rolling over in their graves.

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Meanwhile, as Dez Bryant grumbles about his being franchised (at $13m a year) and that not being enough "security", the man who is, by far, the most underpaid athlete in the NFL, maybe all of sports, remains civil and diplomatic. Russell Wilson was asked yesterday about slow contract negotiations, and that he could conceivably make just $1.54m this coming season. His response was entirely positive. He said that he knew these things take time, and he wanted what was best for everyone, including the team. He also took out an insurance policy, just in case he doesn't get a contract extension, and has a major injury. Smart kid. In the event his career did end, he could probably run for Governor of Washington about now and win in a landslide.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13109939/russell-wilson-insurance-policy-contract-negotiations-seattle-seahawks

In some other mildly interesting news, the Dallas Cowboys are using drones to film practice games, from various angles, and studying the footage to get insight not seen before. Interesting idea, and I think it will help. The Jets were contacted and were not even interested.

Adding to the technology race, the Bucs are using virtual reality to work with Jamis Winston. Stanford QB Kevin Hogan used this recently and was "blown away" by it. Word is that other NFL QB's are going to latch on soon. I actually envision a future where we see this. Super high technology allows QBs to "pre-see" plays that might happen, as data is fed into VR. Imagine putting on a helmet with a visual screen on it, and it shows you what your receivers will be like, playing against next week's defense?!

Finally, Terrell Pryor who was always athletic, but couldn't make fast enough decisions or throw the ball accurate enough at QB, has decided to try to convert to a WR (TE might be more like it). This was actually suggested by scouts as he came out of college, but he refused. He was somewhat of a trouble child then, but seemed to have matured a lot during his time in Oakland, but just wasn't a good enough QB. We'll see if he can adapt.
 
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Surprise, surprise...

"Arguably one of the most counter-intuitive findings in our reports has been the relatively low levels of average salaries in America’s NFL - by far and away the richest sport in the world in terms of annual domestic TV contract earnings, often the bedrock of a league’s income. NFL players earn just over $2m a year each on average, or less than half as much as NBA basketball players. The ‘median’ earnings in the NFL, where you consider the middle person in a list of all players ranked from best-paid to worst-paid, is under a million dollars a year."

Now we know the talent level difference between the best and worst NFL player is minimal. My original opinion was that NFL players are over-paid. I would like to correct that (because I still learn, always open to new findings Amsterwhatever. Total bigotry, isn´t it? :rolleyes: ).
The "top players" are over-over-over-paid while the replacements are in some way underpaid. Make 800.000 for four years and you are pretty much... well... phucked (sorry for the word, I am still on the low level I got down-sized to in the past couple of days).
That´s aprox 1 million career earnings after taxes and agent fees. And that money must last a life-time. Not very good when we consider that 2/3 of ex-players suffer from permanent pain. But ofc it´s still way better than the 80s, when stars like Dent or Hilgenberg made 50.000 $... no, not per week, but per year. :eek:

Team Salaries per year/player (2014/15):
1 Miami Dolphins 2,345,714
2 Detroit Lions 2,329,699
3 Cincinnati Bengals 2,326,410 (debunking the myth Brown doesn´t pay his players)
4 Green Bay Packers 2,325,131
5 Denver Broncos 2,306,822
6 Tampa Bay Bucs 2,306,236
7 Minnesota Vikings 2,259,394
8 Buffalo Bills 2,239,299
9 Pittsburgh Steelers 2,233,807
10 Philadelphia Eagles 2,202,430
11 Cleveland Browns 2,195,571
12 Seattle Seahawks 2,194,201
13 Chicago Bears 2,189,154
14 New Orleans Saints 2,154,897
15 Tennessee Titans 2,153,578
16 San Diego Chargers 2,136,715
17 Washington Redskins 2,093,124
18 Carolina Panthers 2,091,879
19 New England Patriots 2,078,594 (Beli being the master even here)
20 New York Giants 2,071,784
21 Baltimore Ravens 2,048,200
22 Atlanta Falcons 2,041,431
23 Houston Texans 2,037,991
24 San Francisco 49ers 2,036,648
25 Oakland Raiders 2,002,521
26 Jacksonville Jaguars 1,968,022
27 Arizona Cardinals 1,954,241
28 Indianapolis Colts 1,917,536
29 StLouis Rams 1,901,604
30 Kansas City Chiefs 1,881,386
31 Dallas Cowboys 1,792,288
32 New York Jets 1,733,599

Link to the complete study: See AFL-Thread


(Or may we shall not trust this numbers. Could be a major CT. Heck, I am the messenger. Can´t be true. This list is more a bigoted racist/sexist rant, right? :cool: )
 
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
ToreBear said:
@Alpe
Yep. One example is the Packers. Their defensive interior on the dline and linebackers look really weak. But they are forgiven because of Arod.

On coaches, I think evaluating them is futile. For example is Mike McCarthy a great coach with a great QB, or is Mike McCarthy riding Rodgers coattails? We have no idea what the coach ads to the equation. We can just guess.

@Foxy
By longer I'm thinking years, not a season. Then I would agree injuries are a wash. I'm more thinking about the missing players contribution to the team. If I want to evaluate how hard a team was hit during a season I would look at how many of their presumed starters were out and when it happened. How bad this affects the team depends on the the quality of the player missing, his replacements quality, scheeme etc. Counting players is not really that interesting.

I think some teams also draft injured players to have them sit out a year. Let's say you get a 2nd round talent in the 4th round etc.
I guess you agree the Vegas opening line oddsmakers are experts? One guy of the sportsbooks explained at length how a opening line is evaluated. The only time they change lines because of injuries is when the starting QB is out*, or injuries come in clusters. The latter happens less than one would expect in the brutal NFL (please read the Moldea book, a strong recommendation)...
So even in a single season, injuries even out to a good portion.

* And that is mostly because the betting public gives too much credit to QB-play influence. But the oddsmakers have to take care of that too when setting the op line. A "wrong" one costs millions...

About coaches: They don´t win you games, but they can lose them. Lots and lots of them... Have a look at Norv the smurf, McCartney wasting two Packers seasons (one he saved in the end by just sneaking into the playoffs with a high quality team), the guy that coached the NYJ last year, Butter-Ball in the late 80s-early 90s... (and many more ofc: Also need to mention Wade Phillips. Benching Flutie before the playoffs in a high quality winning season. Ouch. The biggest blunder ever. Let´s see if Kelly can top him this year with his off-season antics)

And then there is Beli-Cheat. That guy is so much above the rest he actually seems to win games without being on the field. Having 10+ win seasons each year, no matter how hard hit by FA loses, QB injuries, bad WR play one year, bad D play the other... He just wins, no matter what. And he certainly isn´t the only one cheating/using obscure tactics (see the guy with tits that coached the Saints D)...
Doesn't sound like we disagree that much. Though I'm very skeptical of odds makers since I know zilch about who pays their bills. But If I worked at a casino, I would look to exploit the odds for teams that are hyped even when there is in my expert opinion no reason. Also the popularity of the team would come into play. More people are likely to bet on the Giants than lets say the Jaguars, since more people follow the Giants. That means you can fleece them when they and the media are over hyping the team.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
My exact thoughts on coaches. You can indeed evaluate them. Norv Turner was handed the keys to the kingdom in SD. A team Shottenheimer took to 14-2, heading right into Rivers prime, with many other big players in tact. And he repeatedly botched big games. The team is now so down and out, I'm all but certain they are the one team that will move to LA, unless two teams do as well.

As to Belicheck, if the Patriots fired him tomorrow, nearly every other team in the league would fire their coach ASAP to get him. I think what Bum Phillips said about Don Shula truly plays to Belicheck. He could beat you with his players, or you could switch teams, and he'd beat you with your players.

Meanwhile, the 49ers have come up with an unheard of idea. During practices, every 27 minutes the practice will stop so that players can be active on social media. I kid you not. This is not an Onion article. It's rooted in a Stanford study that after 27 minutes, the millennial generation on average can no longer keep their attention. Could you imagine Belichek, Jeff Fisher or Tom Coughlin doing this? Somewhere Tom Landry, Chuck Noll and Vince Lombardi are rolling over in their graves.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2498072-san-francisco-49ers-changing-team-meeting-structure-to-cater-to-millenials
On coaches, yes there seem to be a few that stick out in a negative or positive way. But coaches might improve or regress. It could be the GMs that are good/poor etc. To many variables to evaluate. One teams good coach could be the other teams disaster.

On the 49ers. I didn't read anything about practice, I read meetings. Still it sounds stupid to use such a study to plan your schedule. For one it's one study that seems to be about the general population. Well this is football players. Then what is the subject requiring attention? Latin, algebra or football plays that you are going to try out in practice. As for generational comparisons, did they do the same study for the earlier generation when they were at the same age? doubtful.

Taking frequent breaks is a good idea, but a break can also be disruptive in regaining attention. Thats why breaks should be adapted to the situation.
 
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Good points....
I knew nothing about how lines are set until I read the best book ever written about Pro Football (to my knowledge).
On Tuesday morning they have to be in the open. And they must be "correct". The sharks will jump on any mistakes in the opening line, which could cost millions to the books. So they have true experts working there, doing nightshifts...

The bills pay the bettors. There is a 10% comission. All the bookies need is evenly wagered money on both sides. It´s like printing dollar bills out of the blue. Not much difference to how banks give out credits backed by nothing than fresh air (which is another topic)...

Once the lines are in the public, they move depending on how the public bets. If team A gets 80% of bets, the line will move until (in a perfect scenario) both sides have even money wagered on...
Now the bookies know that favourism of home teams influence bets. I guess even if Dallas is on a 6 game losing streak, 80% of Texas natives would still bet on the Cowboys. Now (especially the black markets) the bookies lay off their incoming money country-wide (respectively between them LV casinos*). Like insurance companies are insured by re-insurance companies. There is no way bookies lose money, unless the fix is in, and hidden by "birds" placing bets all over the country to prevent suspicion.
Further: Aprox 50% of wagered money (sorry I havn´t the link on hand) comes in by sharks. They don´t care about home team favourism, or if for example the Giants are hyped. It´s a very efficient market, and the lines are unbelievable good. I have more respect for the bookies football knowledge (but not the job they do) than the writers filling pages at Espn.com like Mr Easteregg...

(* I am not sure if casinos use the same "re-insurance" modell as the black market bookies, but it´s highly likely)

About coaches: Norv, Butter-Ball & Co didn´t fail for a season and evened out, no they did it over several seasons/career long. There was a great study on Norv about his failures in the PFP book of 2009 (but I wouldn´t call him "qwunt" of a man like others do if the player/coach isn´t to his/her liking). Yes even back then it was widely known he is a coward wasting the best talented team of the 2000s...
Beli otoh is on an unbelievable 14 years winning streak. Without the advantage of old greats. They had one major factor going their way: Once you got lucky in the draft (for a couple of seasons I admit), you had those players "forever". If they were great, nothing could prevent them coaches from winning. Beli otoh has to deal with FA loses year-in year-out and the salary cap. He is the GOAT. By miles... Says me, who still can´t get over it that he literally stole the SL Rams the SB in the 2001 season ...
 
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I did in some way. Respect for Beli-Cheat shown lately.

Lottery is worse; 50% comission... says it all.

I am just over-coming the 10% in my AFL pre-season bets*. I did it solely on regression, w/o knowing the players strengths, tactics, etc (it´s my first full season)... The negative? I didn´t place those bets, just posted my picks here. :eek:

* As it stands now. We are half way the season there.
 
In case you were living under a rock and somehow missed it, Tom Brady's appeal was yesterday, and went on some 10 hours. I personally spent too much time reading up on all of it, and the more I think on this, the more of a charade it seems, and the more I point my finger at Roger Goodell. How much of a charade was it? Everyone from soothsayers, to charlatans, to a band named the Ebony Hillbillies, showed up outside NFL headquarters to hop on the publicity bus.

If you remove yourself from all the insanity and go back in time and look at what actually happened, what this really should have come down to is the referees during the Indy game making a call to the league if necessary, and penalizing the Patriots 15 yards at the start of the second half for essentially tampering with equipment. The NFL could have then fined the Patriots later, the maximum of which is $10k, per infraction (ball), IIRC. And if you go back to the days of Paul Taglibou, or Pete Rozzell, they would have done something very similar to this, and never let it go this far, or dipped their greasy fingers into it the way Goodell and his ego has.

Instead, we have this sideshow now about pretty much nothing, that has become bigger than the sport. And despite many chances to quell it, Goodell has instead stepped further and further into it, and allowed it to grow at every step. Now to the point where it doesn't matter how he rules (and I do think the suspension will be reduced, but not eliminated), there will be a howl of protest, and this talk will continue into the start of the season, and discussions will be made at least somewhat up to the end of the season as to what effect it had on Brady, the Patriots and the league.

I do have to wonder what exactly Goodell expects to happen after this? Does he really expect Brady to stop tampering at all with the balls? If so, he's an idiot. The only thing that's going to happen, is that Tom (and his fellow QBs) are going to be even more critical of how the balls are prepared, to make certain they get what they want, within the confides of the rules. Though in Goodell's mind, he may call that a success, thinking none of us are smart enough to guess otherwise.
 
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"In case you were living under a rock and somehow missed it"
Indeed I did. ;)

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But even if Brady misses the first four games, he´ll be on-game-level in week 5. And the first four weeks, Beli will come up with another master-plan. Something like lull opponents into stuffing the box, while now and then the QB i can´t spell his name will go long now and then. IOW: Another winning season for NE no matter what.
 
Oh I agree with that. I'm sure Belicheck will find a way to win either way. He always does. My guess is that the biggest issue they have is in pass defense, not in Garoppolo at QB. He's young, but as talented and good as Matt Cassell was, and Matt "lead" the Pats to an 11-5 season with a noodle arm. Granted, Brady is better than either, and Tom would probably be good on almost any team, but it is Belicheck's team, his system, he's the mastermind. And Garoppolo will get plenty of 1st team snaps, and plenty of play in the pre-season. If he starts the third preseason game at Carolina, that will be plenty of prep for him against that defense.

The Pats play Pittsburgh, at Buffalo, Jacksonville, and at Dallas. At worst, I see NE starting 2-2 under Garoppolo, or Brady, really.

Having said that, even with Revis and Browner gone, don't be fooled into thinking the Pats will stick to a mostly man-coverage defense expecting to fill their shoes. My gut tells me we're going to see surprisingly good play out of Logan Ryan, Bradley Fletcher and Malcom Butler (and Robert McClain) out of some elaborate zone schemes involving Chung and especially McCourty who were good safety's to begin with. If any coach can do a 180 and develop a new pass defense predicated on something completely different from the previous year, it's Belicheck. These guys are not big names (outside of Butler's one great SB play, and McCourty's solid play; Ryan is an up and comer) but with the way Belicheck coaches (and he may trade for a solid veteran before pre-season), I would not be surprised to see this batch developing into a stellar no-name group. They may give up some big plays, but they may also consistently hold very strong game after game. In fact, that's the mark of every defense Belicheck has had for the most part.
 
Lots of interesting offseason tidbits. Two players managed to put their careers in jeopardy by suffering hand injuries playing around with fireworks on the 4th, the Giants’ Jason Pierre-Paul and TB CB C.J. Wilson. Wilson reportedly lost two fingers, which I would think would make defending against passes a little more difficult.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/bucs-cb-c-j--wilson-severely-injured-in-fireworks-accident-162949399.html;_ylt=AwrXnCV8l51VWnUAJH1NbK5_;_ylu=X3oDMTByb2lvbXVuBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

A better known Wilson, Seattle’s Russell, said God talked to him during the SB, telling him that He was going to make him throw that game-ending pick to test him. So everyone can stop blaming Pete Carroll, it turns out it was God’s will. God can’t help Greece or the Ukraine, or even Thibaut Pinot, but He can determine the SB winner. Wilson also made the news by saying he and his GF Ciara are abstaining from sex until (unless?) they’re married, prompting one talk show host to imply that Wilson is gay. We can only speculate about that, but that Wilson is really stupid is now clear to me. I wonder if he's read the parts in the Bible about what happens to greedy materialists who seek riches the ancient money-changers couldn't even dream about.

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/42738/20150708/russell-wilson-news-seahawks-qb-says-god-was-responsible-for-super-bowl-interception-video.htm

And in more upbeat news, a district court upheld an earlier ruling that the Washington NFL team’s logo, which I can’t even bring myself to type, is ineligible for trademark protection. It’s on the way out, eventually, and about time.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/daniel-snyder-s-fight-over-washington-s-nickname-is-a-lost-cause-as-country-s-attitudes-dramatically-shift-174355209.html
 
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but that Wilson is really stupid is now clear to me

So there is hope the Wilson praising stops. Good. :)
Always said you don´t need wonderlic tests, intelligent guys playing QB, and what not...
All needed is football knowledge (speak the ability to read defenses), experience (to read and react correctly to various defense schemes), accuracy, guts & will (to suffer), and ball speed. That´s it for a QB.
The rest is pure chance of which a QB has no influence over (coaching, talent around him, "injury-luck", luck in general like being picked early > speak having played ball for the right college with enough talent around him, getting enough reps once being in the NFL, getting the chance to play).
There is a thin line between being a supermarket worker and a SB-MVP.
 
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Merckx index said:
Lots of interesting offseason tidbits. Two players managed to put their careers in jeopardy by suffering hand injuries playing around with fireworks on the 4th, the Giants’ Jason Pierre-Paul and TB CB C.J. Wilson. Wilson reportedly lost two fingers, which I would think would make defending against passes a little more difficult.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/bucs-cb-c-j--wilson-severely-injured-in-fireworks-accident-162949399.html;_ylt=AwrXnCV8l51VWnUAJH1NbK5_;_ylu=X3oDMTByb2lvbXVuBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

A better known Wilson, Seattle’s Russell, said God talked to him during the SB, telling him that He was going to make him throw that game-ending pick to test him. So everyone can stop blaming Pete Carroll, it turns out it was God’s will. God can’t help Greece or the Ukraine, or even Thibaut Pinot, but He can determine the SB winner. Wilson also made the news by saying he and his GF Ciara are abstaining from sex until (unless?) they’re married, prompting one talk show host to imply that Wilson is gay. We can only speculate about that, but that Wilson is really stupid is now clear to me. I wonder if he's read the parts in the Bible about what happens to greedy materialists who seek riches the ancient money-changers couldn't even dream about.

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/42738/20150708/russell-wilson-news-seahawks-qb-says-god-was-responsible-for-super-bowl-interception-video.htm

And in more upbeat news, a district court upheld an earlier ruling that the Washington NFL team’s logo, which I can’t even bring myself to type, is ineligible for trademark protection. It’s on the way out, eventually, and about time.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/daniel-snyder-s-fight-over-washington-s-nickname-is-a-lost-cause-as-country-s-attitudes-dramatically-shift-174355209.html
You clearly don't understand god's priorities. Athletes (especially in big events) are on top of the list. Not even god gives a rip about world problems during the big game. I wonder if Wilson feels bad that god loves Butler more? I think that it was one of the Monty Python guys who wondered aloud, " do you have any idea how many babies die when god is busy with a world cup match?"
 
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Merckx index said:
Lots of interesting offseason tidbits. Two players managed to put their careers in jeopardy by suffering hand injuries playing around with fireworks on the 4th, the Giants’ Jason Pierre-Paul and TB CB C.J. Wilson. Wilson reportedly lost two fingers, which I would think would make defending against passes a little more difficult.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/bucs-cb-c-j--wilson-severely-injured-in-fireworks-accident-162949399.html;_ylt=AwrXnCV8l51VWnUAJH1NbK5_;_ylu=X3oDMTByb2lvbXVuBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

A better known Wilson, Seattle’s Russell, said God talked to him during the SB, telling him that He was going to make him throw that game-ending pick to test him. So everyone can stop blaming Pete Carroll, it turns out it was God’s will. God can’t help Greece or the Ukraine, or even Thibaut Pinot, but He can determine the SB winner. Wilson also made the news by saying he and his GF Ciara are abstaining from sex until (unless?) they’re married, prompting one talk show host to imply that Wilson is gay. We can only speculate about that, but that Wilson is really stupid is now clear to me. I wonder if he's read the parts in the Bible about what happens to greedy materialists who seek riches the ancient money-changers couldn't even dream about.

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/42738/20150708/russell-wilson-news-seahawks-qb-says-god-was-responsible-for-super-bowl-interception-video.htm

And in more upbeat news, a district court upheld an earlier ruling that the Washington NFL team’s logo, which I can’t even bring myself to type, is ineligible for trademark protection. It’s on the way out, eventually, and about time.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/daniel-snyder-s-fight-over-washington-s-nickname-is-a-lost-cause-as-country-s-attitudes-dramatically-shift-174355209.html
can't type redskins? really? :rolleyes:
 
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jmdirt said:
You clearly don't understand god's priorities. Athletes (especially in big events) are on top of the list. Not even god gives a rip about world problems during the big game. I wonder if Wilson feels bad that god loves Butler more? I think that it was one of the Monty Python guys who wondered aloud, " do you have any idea how many babies die when god is busy with a world cup match?"
it's one thing to pray to god and then think:

-if successful - "he" heard me, oh I love god

-if not successful - "he" heard me but is testing me

...it's another thing all together to say god spoke to me....that's off the charts craziness.

sorry, "faith".

if I was pete carroll I'd be worried that god's got a direct line to my QB, which play is he going to run when one gets sent in from up high?
 
Very, very sad day. Especially for a Raider fan like myself. Best QB in Raider history, and one of the most winning QB's as well. Maybe the best player in history snubbed from the hall of fame. Hopefully he'll now get in, where he most certainly belongs.

 
Regarding Russell Wilson, I'm not sure what to say, other than it sure is strange. I always wonder about people who say that God speaks to them, or thinks like God wanted them to win, or their loss was part of God's plan, what about the other team? What was God saying to Malcom Butler for example? Ever see those clips of NFL's most gruesome injuries? Did God want those to happen? Why didn't God tell Darryl Stingley to let Steve Grogan's pass sail high? My father died a long, horrible death he didn't deserve. Wish God would have spoken to me the night before his stroke...

Ian Rappaport started digging into the drawn out contract negotiations Wilson is going under with the Seahawks. It appears his agent, Mark Rogers, deals almost exclusively with MLB players, and they think Wilson should get a fully guaranteed contract the way most MLB players do. Apparently Wilson is willing to accept a little less money in order to get this, but that's the hold up. They are hoping to get the contract fully guaranteed. The talk is that doesn't happen with long term contracts in the NFL, and the only guarantees are signing bonuses. But Rogers doesn't like the reason why they don't happen in the NFL (injuries, salary cap, more) and thinks it shouldn't matter. It's definitely a different way of thinking. I for one think these absurd contracts of $126m touted after players like Kaepernick signed, are absurd, since most of it isn't guaranteed at all, do no good for the sport. But I'm not sure someone like Wilson accepting something like a fully guaranteed $70m contract over 10 years is the solution either. If he had a career ending injury, that would decimate the team. And all the talk about him being a nice guy and helping the team build for him, basically is a lie at that point.
 
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And all the talk about him being a nice guy and helping the team build for him, basically is a lie at that point.

Said that from the beginning (in different words).
Wilson is a greedy (high skilled) Football nerd going for max money. As every other NFL player...
 
Sad indeed. For me, as a Raider fan Before they became Seahawk rivals, I always loved watching the Snake work his majic. George Blanda too for that matter when he'd do unbelievable things for a 40+ YO fart of a QB. It saddens me the Snake never made it to the HOF before passing. Many teammates were critical about his being snubbed for the HOF. I agree with all that. But I don't normally go search for this kind of stuff, but there are some really nice comments and memories about Ken Stabler from family, former coaches and players on AL.com. Good article worth a read:
http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2015/07/ken_stabler_dies_john_madden.html

 
I live in Oakland, and can tell you that Stabler's passing has been big news here, with the major TV channels devoting a lot of time to it. I've been frankly surprised at how much airtime the story is getting, there has been a huge outpouring of respect and admiration. Though he didn't accomplish as much as Joe Montana, I don't think it's much of an exaggeration to say that he means as much to Raider fans as Montana does to those who follow the team on the other side of the Bay. Both QBs provided teams with a long history of frustration with their first SB victory.

John Madden, his coach who of course won his only SB with Stabler, had a great comment: "If I had one drive left to win a game, to this day I would want Kenny as my QB." He was a great team leader. Everyone is especially remembering that pass that beat Miami, where he was practically down on the ground when he released the ball.
 

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