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That was after Toney’s offsides negated a touchdown and the lead for the Chiefs causing them to lose the game. Mahomes has never complained about a flag that benefited the Chiefs and he in fact goes fishing for them, which is in his right since free yards is free yards.

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Nor has Mahomes before or since publicly complained about the referring like this. He might get in their face or yell at them for a little bit if feeling like something was missed but not to that flags level.
 
And you guys wonder why I'm not watching the SB, and like Bill Burr really don't watch Chiefs games.

First, the UFL uses something called TruLine technology in their balls. This is a chip in the ball that has some tech that gives an extremely close evaluation where the ball is, including rotation and end to end. This is very quickly accessed by the league officials, so they know precisely where the ball is at any given time.

What are the refs saying between plays, when discussing calls? Guess what, the UFL has a solution to that too. All officials are mic'd up, all the time. Every one of them, and it's frequently heard what they are discussing. The UFL also uses a replay official and team (led by Blandino or Pierra), who watch every play and every angle. If the refs blow a call, they can review anything. They can also stop play if on a previous play the refs botched something, or just didn't call something. In the KC-Buffalo case, they would have stopped it at the 3rd down and given Buffalo the obvious first down.

Also, in the UFL the coaches have one challenge per half, and can challenge any call, on any play. Even hard to gauge ones like holding and DPI. What to challenge it? Go for it.

What keeps the review process from taking forever? There's a time limit. If the officials can't overturn a call in like 90 seconds, the ruling on the field stands.

In the entire time I've watched the UFL and before the leagues merged the USFL and XFL who had almost the same exact officiating, I've seen one blown call. It was on a very close play and Blandino and his team made a ruling just before the time limit. Right before the next ball was about to be snapped, he openly admitted (because he's mic'd up too), he and his team might have blown the call. Both he and the UFL owned it right after the game. We're talking about one single call, that was extremely close, and didn't change the outcome of a game at all, in three years of the leagues being around. One call.

The NFL has what seems like a few per game. And in this last week, two in the same set of downs.

I'm not saying the entire NFL is rigged. But I do think there is pressure, if surreptitious, on referees to push the money. It's a hard book to read, and an ugly one at times, but what Burr was referring to about the NBA is what Tim Donaghy wrote about in his book, Personal Foul. It starts out like Tim has sour grapes at a pity party, but the more you read and think on it, as he goes into lengthy detail at times on favoritism in officiating, and how it's done, how referees in the NBA, but other sports as well, favor teams and players, and how almost like an omerta. It's unspoken but well known in leagues where there is massive amounts of money, and massive amounts of gambling. Donaghy was a piece of garbage when a ref, a criminal, and caught. But it also becomes painfully clear when he was caught he came clean and spilled his guts, ruining his career forever (even the FBI said he eventually told the 100% truth).

Ask yourself this: The NFL prints money. They are massively successful, insanely so. They have more money than God. They could easily implement all the things the UFL does, and even other tech like the video editor what he did. They could easily afford this. Pennies under a seat cushion. It would be so easy for the NFL to adopt this and more, change this, but they don't. Why? What reason could there possibly be?

Instead what we have, and this is even bad for the Chiefs, is the topic now isn't football, it's controversy. Just look at this thread. Not just my post, all of yours. And it's that way across the entire web. Does the NFL care? Not really, as they are making more money.
 
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It’s like the MLB keeping questionable umpires with bad strike zones when they could go automated. The NFL could make everything easier and more efficient with technology but don’t want to do so. The biggest reason is most likely lost revenue and the second if they are slightly tweaking results it is easier to do currently. If they did the same or better than the UFL and game time decreased, they’d lose out on more adds which means less money. Ultimately that’s what I think owners look at, trying to get as much money as they can. Even with all of the controversies they’re still raking in money and views, even the hate the Patriots had still had their games with high viewership. Only way I currently see the technology entering the NFL is if it’s sponsored.
 
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Watching Mahomes go off at a bemused Allen, post game last season gave me the giggles. Needless to say the Chiefs lost...........the Chiefs in the 2019 SB, winning without one holding penalty while Nick Bosa was getting choked regularly was also comical but not for 49ers fans......... also a blatant missed face mask on Jimmy G and a really soft call on Kittle on a big play that got called back also left a bad aftertaste. if the calls for Mahomes are not bad enough, the missed calls for the other team are often worse.

Eagles fan for one day even though I don't really care for either team. Would have been easy to root for the Commies or Lions.
 
And you guys wonder why I'm not watching the SB, and like Bill Burr really don't watch Chiefs games.

First, the UFL uses something called TruLine technology in their balls. This is a chip in the ball that has some tech that gives an extremely close evaluation where the ball is, including rotation and end to end. This is very quickly accessed by the league officials, so they know precisely where the ball is at any given time.

What are the refs saying between plays, when discussing calls? Guess what, the UFL has a solution to that too. All officials are mic'd up, all the time. Every one of them, and it's frequently heard what they are discussing. The UFL also uses a replay official and team (led by Blandino or Pierra), who watch every play and every angle. If the refs blow a call, they can review anything. They can also stop play if on a previous play the refs botched something, or just didn't call something. In the KC-Buffalo case, they would have stopped it at the 3rd down and given Buffalo the obvious first down.

Also, in the UFL the coaches have one challenge per half, and can challenge any call, on any play. Even hard to gauge ones like holding and DPI. What to challenge it? Go for it.

What keeps the review process from taking forever? There's a time limit. If the officials can't overturn a call in like 90 seconds, the ruling on the field stands.

In the entire time I've watched the UFL and before the leagues merged the USFL and XFL who had almost the same exact officiating, I've seen one blown call. It was on a very close play and Blandino and his team made a ruling just before the time limit. Right before the next ball was about to be snapped, he openly admitted (because he's mic'd up too), he and his team might have blown the call. Both he and the UFL owned it right after the game. We're talking about one single call, that was extremely close, and didn't change the outcome of a game at all, in three years of the leagues being around. One call.

The NFL has what seems like a few per game. And in this last week, two in the same set of downs.

I'm not saying the entire NFL is rigged. But I do think there is pressure, if surreptitious, on referees to push the money. It's a hard book to read, and an ugly one at times, but what Burr was referring to about the NBA is what Tim Donaghy wrote about in his book, Personal Foul. It starts out like Tim has sour grapes at a pity party, but the more you read and think on it, as he goes into lengthy detail at times on favoritism in officiating, and how it's done, how referees in the NBA, but other sports as well, favor teams and players, and how almost like an omerta. It's unspoken but well known in leagues where there is massive amounts of money, and massive amounts of gambling. Donaghy was a piece of garbage when a ref, a criminal, and caught. But it also becomes painfully clear when he was caught he came clean and spilled his guts, ruining his career forever (even the FBI said he eventually told the 100% truth).

Ask yourself this: The NFL prints money. They are massively successful, insanely so. They have more money than God. They could easily implement all the things the UFL does, and even other tech like the video editor what he did. They could easily afford this. Pennies under a seat cushion. It would be so easy for the NFL to adopt this and more, change this, but they don't. Why? What reason could there possibly be?

Instead what we have, and this is even bad for the Chiefs, is the topic now isn't football, it's controversy. Just look at this thread. Not just my post, all of yours. And it's that way across the entire web. Does the NFL care? Not really, as they are making more money.
I think that some of what you are 'seeing'/'not seeing' is because the coverage (cameras/replays) aren't as extensive as the NFL. So, yes you see more missed calls/bad calls in the NFL because they show them 112 times from 42 different angles. Part of what has kept me from really getting into the spring leagues is how sloppy they are. Its kind of like 8th grade basketball, the refs can't call everything because there would be no game between calls. I'm not saying that the play is 8th grade level, just that there are errors on every play, and many of those errors could be flagged. That's not to say that I haven't also watched some pretty entertaining spring football, but I don't know that its even as good as many/most NCAA games overall.
 
Eagles fan for one day even though I don't really care for either team. Would have been easy to root for the Commies or Lions.
I'll be rooting for the Eagles & for Barkley doing something special out there being named MVP. If he could do that he would become only one of 7 RBs to achieve SB MVP.


The last RB to be named SB MVP was Denver's Terrell Davis in SBXXXIII where the Broncos beat the Pack. Davis rushed for 157 & 3 scores, and was most of the offense. This capped off a stellar 1998 season where Davis rushed for 2008 yds & 21 TDs winning league MVP. Davis drafted only in the 6th rd coming into camp as the 6th string RB with no guarentees of making team is one of the biggest steals in Bronco history.
 
Indeed. UFL games on average are about 30 minutes shorter. That's millions of dollars in lost ad revenue if the NFL did that. As in millions per game.
At $1 million that's $272 million a year, not much to the NFL really, but that amount is likely plural, tickling closer to a billon a year.

IMO, the NFL streaming revenues will increase for a few more years, then drop off as even diehard/hardcore fans decide not to spend that amount of money. They will likely double down for a least a few more years after that though.
 
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I think that some of what you are 'seeing'/'not seeing' is because the coverage (cameras/replays) aren't as extensive as the NFL. So, yes you see more missed calls/bad calls in the NFL because they show them 112 times from 42 different angles. Part of what has kept me from really getting into the spring leagues is how sloppy they are. Its kind of like 8th grade basketball, the refs can't call everything because there would be no game between calls. I'm not saying that the play is 8th grade level, just that there are errors on every play, and many of those errors could be flagged. That's not to say that I haven't also watched some pretty entertaining spring football, but I don't know that its even as good as many/most NCAA games overall.
I cannot disagree more with you. I don't even know where to begin other than saying by every single perception, evaluation, and judgment the UFL is fairly officiated with outstanding rules the NFL could use, when the NFL is riddled with controversial officiating. The tech, and cameras, shown and used the UFL are plenty good enough to make almost any fan believe the game is fairly officated, and light years ahead of the 8th grade. Why would you assert this? Do you even watch games? Who can say with a straight face the NFL games are always fairly and evenly officated without any real controversy? Even Chiefs fans (and players) complain. I also think the UFL play is quite good, surprisingly so at times. Maybe there are more mistakes, but there are mistakes in the NFL too. And I watched just about every game last year, and most games in both the XFL and USFL prior.

If we just look at numbers, a decent NFL team charges roughly 10 times the amount for tickets, while paying players astronomical salaries, on teams owned by greedy billionaires. UFL tickets in some places are down to $10, most around $20. Players make about $80k a season. And the league owns everything, with each team having a certain amount of control within limits. Much more friendly to me. No, not on the level of athletic amazement, or competition of the NFL. But I don't see the NFL being 10, 20, 100 times better. And it's much worse when it comes to officiating.
 
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The last RB to be named SB MVP was Denver's Terrell Davis in SBXXXIII where the Broncos beat the Pack.
To his huge credit, after the game he said his job was easy and the OL did all the work. Great player.

I thought you'd be cheering for the Chiefs? You seem like a huge Mahomes fan to me. No? If I'm secretly Bill Burr, you're Nick Wright. No?!

I'll be really, really surprised if the Eagles win. They do not play well from behind, Hurts plays poorly in the clutch when he has to throw. I also think the Chiefs will stop the Eagles run enough, just like how McCaffrey got yards, looked good, but not enough to beat them. Toss in a few likely favorable calls for KC, and basically the Eagles will need to somehow, some way be ahead by more than two TDs in 4Q to win the game. And have a solid established run the Chiefs can't stop. And get after Mahomes with pressure repeatedly. I just don't see it happening.

I do not gamble, and could climb on a soap box about gambling in the US (and lived in Nevada, so I know something about it), but if I were, I'd put a heap of money down on KC. I just don't see the Eagles winning. I picture a workman like win by the Chiefs where they slowly get ahead, and stay ahead, and win by 8 or so.
 
I cannot disagree more with you. I don't even know where to begin other than saying by every single perception, evaluation, and judgment the UFL is fairly officiated with outstanding rules the NFL could use, when the NFL is riddled with controversial officiating. The tech, and cameras, shown and used the UFL are plenty good enough to make almost any fan believe the game is fairly officated, and light years ahead of the 8th grade. Why would you assert this? Do you even watch games? Who can say with a straight face the NFL games are always fairly and evenly officated without any real controversy? Even Chiefs fans (and players) complain. I also think the UFL play is quite good, surprisingly so at times. Maybe there are more mistakes, but there are mistakes in the NFL too. And I watched just about every game last year, and most games in both the XFL and USFL prior.

If we just look at numbers, a decent NFL team charges roughly 10 times the amount for tickets, while paying players astronomical salaries, on teams owned by greedy billionaires. UFL tickets in some places are down to $10, most around $20. Players make about $80k a season. And the league owns everything, with each team having a certain amount of control within limits. Much more friendly to me. No, not on the level of athletic amazement, or competition of the NFL. But I don't see the NFL being 10, 20, 100 times better. And it's much worse when it comes to officiating.
You misunderstood what I was typing. The play isn't 8th grade nor is the officiating, but if they called everything, there wouldn't be a game (just like in 8th garde). I'm also not saying they are being unfair, but far and away I don't think that the NFL is either (you just get to see every play way more).

I know that you have read my posts for years about the poor quality of officiating in the NFL (especially the lack of consistency, but IMO this is not controversy, just bad officiating.
 
I'll be rooting for the Eagles & for Barkley doing something special out there being named MVP. If he could do that he would become only one of 7 RBs to achieve SB MVP.


The last RB to be named SB MVP was Denver's Terrell Davis in SBXXXIII where the Broncos beat the Pack. Davis rushed for 157 & 3 scores, and was most of the offense. This capped off a stellar 1998 season where Davis rushed for 2008 yds & 21 TDs winning league MVP. Davis drafted only in the 6th rd coming into camp as the 6th string RB with no guarentees of making team is one of the biggest steals in Bronco history.
CMC was also in the mix for MVP last season. think he finished third or 4th. He equalled the record for consecutive games with a TD and would have broke it if not for Shanahan's ignorance. He was nowhere near Barkley's yards but the combination of pass and run yards for the season was outstanding. Ironically it was the Ravens game beat down on the 49ers that probably sealed it for Lamar and where CMC and Purdy both lost their chance for the MVP with Purdy throwing 4 picks. Until then he was still in the running. Needless to say, Lamar had a big game .
 
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To his huge credit, after the game he said his job was easy and the OL did all the work. Great player.

I thought you'd be cheering for the Chiefs? You seem like a huge Mahomes fan to me. No? If I'm secretly Bill Burr, you're Nick Wright. No?!

I'll be really, really surprised if the Eagles win. They do not play well from behind, Hurts plays poorly in the clutch when he has to throw. I also think the Chiefs will stop the Eagles run enough, just like how McCaffrey got yards, looked good, but not enough to beat them. Toss in a few likely favorable calls for KC, and basically the Eagles will need to somehow, some way be ahead by more than two TDs in 4Q to win the game. And have a solid established run the Chiefs can't stop. And get after Mahomes with pressure repeatedly. I just don't see it happening.
Good memory on SBXXXIII. TD was a great player & that was a magical season for the Broncos. Unfortunately, his career was cut short to just 4 full seasons after that major knee injury he sustained a couple of years later. But he made the HOF & is the best RB the Broncos ever had.

I'm not cheering for the Chiefs - are you kidding? I don't want to see them get a 3rd SB. Sure, I'm a Mahomes fan from the standpoint of that type of QB play he's brought into the league (alien arm, strength & size, mobility & agility, etc). Plus his playmaking ability is always entertaining (I watched a lot of his games at Texas Tech where he'd "sling" the ball 50-60 times a game). Isn't he the blueprint now of the type of QB every owner is looking for? Isn't virtually every team that desperately needs a QB looking for the next "Patrick Mahomes?" (didn't SF think they found it with Trey Lance - deemed by the scouts as "Mahomes 2.0?" Lol).

I think the Eagles have a very good chance of winning this game. Look how close SB LVII was between the two teams - a high-scoring affair that came down to the wire. It was essentially a walk off winning FG for KC (they left 8 seconds for Philly where Hurts only had time to throw a "Hail Mary" that fell incomplete). And Hurts was on fire in that game - 304 passing for a score & another 70 rushing & 3 scores (SB record for rushing yards & rushing TDs by a QB). And wasn't that the breakout season for Hurts where he threw the ball really well putting the notion to rest that he couldn't throw & was just a pure running QB?

So, what the heck - I'll go out on a limb & predict an Eagles victory. It'll come down to the wire but I think the Eagles will pull it off because of the revenge factor bringing a title to the City of Brotherly Love.
 
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This go around Eagles and Chiefs defense is better while their offense are both arguably worse statistically but; Eagles have a better rushing attack and Chiefs are better at long sustaining drives and key players. Eagles definitely need to keep it within a score and not to abandon the run game. If Eagles win the coin toss, I’d receive and go for a long drive with a touchdown to start the game. I think Chiefs special teams is going to have a great play or two that can swing the game to their favor.
 
During almost never serious interview with Bill Burr, they pressed him " are you saying games are fixed!!?" Burr answered " No I am not saying that they are fixed ,but football is a business, KC and Taylor Swift are good business, so the NFL massages the results "
Dirt must watch lots of football and know the rule nuances of football.. If you called every infraction ,ref wouldn't take whistle out of their mouths, and no need to pick up the flag because if you call every penalty on every play strictly, there is a penalty on every play.
Super Bowl will be Hollywood battle of the sexes!! No Bruce Jenner, OJ or Farah Faucet!! This time it will be dedicated cameras on Bradley Cooper and Taylor Swift!!
 
Dirt must watch lots of football and know the rule nuances of football..
Way more than I should. :D In the NFL there is likely a penalty on every play (the proverbial holding on every snap), but with the spring leagues its even more simply because it sloppy (lower skill level players, less practice together, etc...). That's expected because these are mostly second (or lower) level NCAA players. I think only teens of them made NFL rosters last year, mostly on practice squads. That's also why I think that even NCAA games are typically better in many/most ways.
 
The conversation about the NFL cheating for KC has swung to how much better the system is in the spring leagues. Yes, it would be great to have more consistency and more transparency, but people will still have their tin hats.

The personal foul call when PM was running and didn't get hit in the head and neck area should not have been called. That's hardly grounds for conspiracy chants, I saw at least 50 soft calls similar to that this year. Did JA make the line? I don't know, but staking the argument on the officials each having a different spot isn't even up to the level of a no argument since that happens multiple times per game, probably 1000 times (more probably) in a season. Having Swift in the box, yeh, that's the reason that the refs prefer KC! o_O

Please see my several posts above before calling me a KC loyalist...
 
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