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But there are also a heap of QBs who get drafted high, and never amount to anything more than a wasted draft pick. You're almost taking the angle that all one has to do is take a high 1st round draft pick to win. As if there is never any downside to doing so.

You think Fields is that good? I don't. In fact, I think the Raiders could go further with Aiden O'Connell than Fields.

If you think it's that much of an issue that Pete find a QB immediately, who do you think is out there that will immediately perform? Darnold? You can't really think Fields is that good.

Legion of Doom? Just average guys you think? Like in that Super Bowl they won against Denver and Peyton Manning when the Broncos had one of the most high powered offenses in NFL history.

Wrong. Look it up again. They won a playoff game and got to the divisional round. They fell behind the Bears 35-10 in the 4Q, but refused to give up and launched a furious comeback, coming close to winning the game.

Not saying Wilson wasn't good. He was damn good in his first several years in Seattle, before his ego went through the ceiling. But he wasn't the only reason they won games, like Pete was an average coach, lucky to have Wilson. I don't buy that.

I do however agree pursuing another QB will be key. And like you, I would take a flyer on Zach Wilson. With the right coach (like Pete), I think he could thrive. Just look at last year's pre-season. He also won more games for the Jets than Aaron Rodgers.

I'm not quite as high on Sanders and Ward as you are. This seems to me like the year Winston & Mariotta came into the league. Or EJ Manuel and Geno Smith. Or the year Kenny Pickett was taken. Theses guys will be expected to start very early, week 1, and I'm not so sure either will pan out. They could end up starters, sure. But not the franchise guy some people think. I have doubts.

All the day two guys will go somewhere and sit. Ewers, Howard, Gabriel, Milroe, Dart. For the Raiders specifically, would any of these be perceived as better than O'Connell?

If I were the Raiders I would not however pursue Sam Darnold. I don't think he's worth the huge paycheck he's likely to get from some desperate team.

Regarding Stan Humphries, he was really a game manager plus. He played well in some big games (sans the SB, but it was their defense that caved), but he was never at the elite level.
I realize there's a "heap" of 1st rounders that have failed miserably & were no doubt a wasted draft pick. But there were also quite a few good ones that have gone on as HOFers (e.g., Dawson, Namath, Bradshaw, Griese, Marino, Elway, Kelly, Aikman, P. Manning, etc). Of course there's a down side on drafting a QB in the 1st rd - especially when trading up & losing future draft picks. But as I pointed out on Potomac's graph 65% of all SB winning QBs came from the 1st rd with a select few in the early 2nd rd. Like anything else, it's a risk/reward proposition with a downside risk as you pointed out.

My mistake with Carroll winning the WC playoff game in the 2010 7-9 season. His QB that season & in the playoffs was Matt Hasselbeck. Why then did he not stick with Hasselbeck instead drafting Wilson a couple seasons later? Was Hasselbeck not the answer?

Fields is bigger, stronger, faster & has a better arm than O'Connell. Whether or not O'Connell is better than Fields is undetermined right now because O'Connell hasn't played enough in two seasons having an injury-riddled season this past year. No doubt Fields was terrible at Chicago going 10-28 in 3 seasons with not very good throwing stats (a lot of picks). However, at Pittsburgh in a 2nd chance to resurrect his career he was 4-2 in 6 starts subbing for the injured Wilson & throwing the ball much better with a career high 93 QB rating (only 1 INT). Could he turn his career around like Mayfield is doing? Don't know - but he needs the opportunity to play at least a full season to find out.

O'Connell had an impressive rookie season going 5-5 in the 10 games that he started in the 2023 season. It looked like the Raiders had something to build on going into O'Connell's 2nd season. But I see where O'Connell gets beat out by Minshew in preseason with Minshew named the starter? WTF? Anyway, Minshew wasn't performing well & O'Connell was back in the staring lineup early season. But then came the thumb injury that put him on IR & the later end of the season knee injury. In the 7 starts he did play, he was 2-5 taking a big step backward from the previous year. So, are the Raiders going to go with O'Connell as their guy? Is he the Franchise QB for Carroll? Hoping he won't keep getting injured & play more like his rookie year? Or are the Raiders looking at him as only a backup? FWIW, his draft prospect profile was rated at only a "5.96" which translates to an "Average Backup."


I think Sanders is the real deal (laugh at me all you want). He had a sensational senior year at CU playing in Shurmur's zone-read, spread shotgun offense. Throwing for over 4000, 74% completion, 37/10 TD/INT, 9 wins & winning the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm award all playing behind a 2nd-tier offensive line that put him constantly under pressure. But as you pointed out many times before, just because a college QB is shredding defenses with outstanding throwing performances doesn't mean they're going to be successful in the pros seeing the very best defensive players in the game. But I do have him over Ward & Jalen Milroe (who scouts are now projecting as a late 1st rounder or early 2nd).

 
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I say it over and over, broken record, the NFL is making a horrible, inexcusable mistake by making the officiating such a big part of the game.
And I'll say it over and over and over to anyone and everyone who thinks there's little they can do: Just watch the UFL. They have it completely figured out. ZERO controversy about officiating.
My mistake with Carroll winning the WC playoff game in the 2010 7-9 season. His QB that season & in the playoffs was Matt Hasselbeck. Why then did he not stick with Hasselbeck instead drafting Wilson a couple seasons later? Was Hasselbeck not the answer?
I think it was an issue to do with contract ending, and money.
Fields is bigger, stronger, faster & has a better arm than O'Connell.
Too bad he can't throw an accurate ball with any consistency at all required of an NFL quarterback. And often makes bad decisions unless game managing, which is what Tomlin smartly had him do. As soon as any team has relied on Fields to control an offense for them, he's only been able to do so with his legs. Never his arm. Aiden's arm is actually pretty decent. He's capable of making any NFL throw, and is fairly accurate deep. The difference between him and Minshew, Ridder, Garoppolo and Hoyer was clear. He's just not mobile at all. Almost a throwback in today's game.
So, are the Raiders going to go with O'Connell as their guy? Is he the Franchise QB for Carroll?
In the presser they didn't talk much about QB, didn't seem too concerned, or focused on it. My guess is they will do one of the following:
  1. Plan on drafting a QB they like in the 2nd round, assuming Sanders or Ward do not fall to them. This could be Howard, Milroe, Ewers, Dart, or an outside chance it's Gabriel or McCord. This guy will compete with O'Connell.
  2. Find a diamond in the rough, a young guy currently in the NFL with talent that Pete and his OC can mold, the way he did with Russ. This would be the Zach Wilson, Hendon Hooker, or an outside guess is Tyson Bagent or Kyle Trask. Those two have shown talent, but could be a real reach. All could come quite cheap via cash or minor trade.
  3. Trade up to get Sanders. This doesn't seem like either Carroll, or new GM John Spytek. But it's possible.
  4. Sign Russell Wilson to be a bridge QB. He'd come dirt cheap, as the Broncos would be paying his salary.
  5. Sign Justin Fields or Jameis Winston to be a bridge QB, and hope he's better than O'Connell (doubt it. This doesn't sound like Pete Carroll or new owner Tom Brady, more like Josh McDaniels and old owner Mark Davis).
  6. Spend too much money on Sam Darnold (again, this is more like McDaniels/Davis, not Carroll/Brady).
Pete has a history of using varying running backs to their strength to grind out games, and focusing on D, especially pass defense. I see no reason he doesn't do this with the Raiders.

GM Spytek, at least as Tampa's AGM and before that lead scout, spent most draft picks and money in the trenches. So it will be interesting to see what they do this coming off-season.
 
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I think Sanders is the real deal (laugh at me all you want).
Not going to laugh. The talent is there. He just needs some work. He makes key mistakes that are going to have to be drilled out of him at the NFL level. That loss to BYU was ugly. But he has played quite well several times, several games. I'm a bit worried about his ego, but he'll probably grow up quick enough around vets. But he is an accurate passer, and if he goes to the right team, and is well coached, he should do fine. Some Raiders fans think he will fall to 6 overall, but I just don't see him falling past the Giants. In fact, I think there's a good chance the Titans take him, though insiders there say they like Ward more...today.

Ward is going to need work too. At times he looks like the better QB. Quite mobile in and out of the pocket. Improvises well then lets the ball rip. But he's just not as consistent. Shedeur makes consistent throws if not always on the money, but close, and to the most open guy. Ward makes impressive plays, and throws, between average ones.

The one guy I've been watching film on that I'm not as high on as you are is Milroe. His passing is just way too inconsistent. Despite his strength, I question his accuracy, especially under pressure. One rifled pass, and the next one off and close to being picked off. He will have to go to a team who wants to explore a true dual-threat, and let him take off and run and see what happens. That's really hard to gameplan for, almost impossible, and I fear he's the next Justin Fields, or Anthony Richardson. I don't see the next Lamar the way some do, at all.

The college QB that I see as a potential good NFL QB is Jaxon Dart out of Ole' Miss. He too will need work, but he has a good arm, pulls the trigger, and moves well. He kind of reminds me of Ryan Tannehill, or maybe Kirk Cousins. No, not HOF players, but consistent NFL starters.

Kurtis Roark is another guy that makes me wonder if he'll make it in the NFL. He's big, strong, looks like the kind of QB who can easily take NFL punishment, and throws the ball with zip and accuracy. But he also looks like he could be another "big stiff" in the Herbert or Levis realm.
 
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If you are Jets front office and coach, Jets fan or me, you watch this and feel Rodgers is too conflicted and constrained to take the field.
As a fellow human, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and give him the empathy he begs for throughout this mini series.
I am not exactly sure but the 3 segment series is probably 50/50 on football content and everything else Aaron.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ew3ewvHGR5E&pp=ygUUYWFyb24gcm9kZ2VycyBlbmlnbWE%3D
 
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The college QB that I see as a potential good NFL QB is Jaxon Dart out of Ole' Miss. He too will need work, but he has a good arm, pulls the trigger, and moves well. He kind of reminds me of Ryan Tannehill, or maybe Kirk Cousins. No, not HOF players, but consistent NFL starters.
Yep, and I mentioned him in the college thread back on Nov 9 when Ole Miss upset #2 Georgia. He played a phenominal game both throwing & running while playing most of the game on an injury ankle that he sustained in the 1st QTR. He's a tough cookie & a playmaker.

That's a good comparison with Tannehill. Tannehill was a converted WR in college & definitely presented the dual-threat running capability running RPO at Texas A&M. But not Cousins who isn't a dual-threat RPO QB, just another stiff that's about as mobile as Billy Kilmer. Lol. IMO, Dart also compares a little to Steve Young - they're identical in size & speed with that dangerous dual-threat capability. Young may have a slightly stronger arm though. Dart played in Lane Kiffin's RPO offense & broke Eli Manning's career passing record! He also rushed for over 1500 yds in 3 seasons there. Dart was also First team All-SEC (over Ewers). He also was the only SEC QB that was a finalist in the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm award competition. He can really throw some darts out there.


I have Dart as the 3rd best QB behind Sanders & Ward (2nd rd - maybe late 1st ). And I'm not sold on Milroe - the guy couldn't even make 2nd team SEC nor was he a finalist in the Johnny Unitas award. I mentioned that Milroe for some reason is getting a lot of attention lately as a 1st rounder with comparisons being made to "Jalen Hurts." Maybe just because he played at Bama?

Roark is a big stiff who isn't very mobile. Same with Allard from PSU. These guys are built like TEs that can throw the ball fairly well but they're not very agile & can't run (nowhere near Josh Allen's mobility). The NFL is phasing out the stiff QBs - they're obsolete now compared to the big, fast, strong armed mobile guys that can beat you with their feet as well as their arm. As great as P. Manning was, he's probably the last great "stiff" to play the game. One hell of a passer, super high football IQ, incredible leadership skills but not very athletic nor mobile.

What we're seeing now in the league are big, strong-armed QBs that are athletic & mobile adding that dual-threat running dimension that drives defenses nuts. Look at the damage Mahomes did with those two scoring runs against the Bills. Was that something else or what? People forget just how athletic Mahomes is because so much attention is given to his monstrous arm. But here's a guy that's a strong 225 lbs (as big as Franco Harris) & runs a decent 40 but he set one of the fastest all-time 20-yard shuttle drills for a QB at the combine (this measures change of direction & acceleration off of different angles).
 
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If you are Jets front office and coach, Jets fan or me, you watch this and feel Rodgers is too conflicted and constrained to take the field.
As a fellow human, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and give him the empathy he begs for throughout this mini series.
I am not exactly sure but the 3 segment series is probably 50/50 on football content and everything else Aaron.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ew3ewvHGR5E&pp=ygUUYWFyb24gcm9kZ2VycyBlbmlnbWE%3D
I'll pass.
 
Alpe says UFL has proven solutions for all this officiating drama and controversy. This is really a travesty, tragedy for the NFL that they are allowing this to happen and Macafee is a show that really expands..original audience and then different re posting like this.. And there are a few videos circulating of Mahomes immediately after the game, before leaving the field livid with officiating. It's not a crew by crew issue it's league wide
 
Alpe says UFL has proven solutions for all this officiating drama and controversy. This is really a travesty, tragedy for the NFL that they are allowing this to happen and Macafee is a show that really expands..original audience and then different re posting like this.. And there are a few videos circulating of Mahomes immediately after the game, before leaving the field livid with officiating. It's not a crew by crew issue it's league wide
I don't quite understand? Why would Mahomes be livid with officiating when the controversial calls are going their way? (you're talking about the Bills game?).
 
The only time I can remeber Mahomes being livid against the refs or talking about them negatively was the Bills game last year with the offsides. Trying is definitely league wide and even in other sports. But if NFL shared the audio between the refs and New York I think there would be a lot less calls of fixing games.
 
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I don't quite understand? Why would Mahomes be livid with officiating when the controversial calls are going their way? (you're talking about the Bills game?).
I will try to find video, but exactly as you described, he gives his post game respect to Josh Allen and he walks off, pissed off and says so..
And no he wasn't happy with missed calls being beneficial for his team