New Jerseys - 2011 Season - TeamKits-Maillots-Tricots-Tenues-and-Exotics

[gslater]

meh its just humor. i thought it was very funny. i hate how every time we make a joke about some1 cus he is white or cus he is jew or cus he is asian and all that its fine, but if the person you make the joke about is black your a racist. its just stupid.

just my opinion . . .

As a regular forum reader, I tend to stay silent -- I think I've posted maybe two or three times. I don't really have the time or energy to jump into the hundreds of really ridiculous, and often hilarious frays going on here. Car wrecks are fun to watch, not be a part of. Well... you get the point. This, however, is not an issue on which I can, in good conscience, remain silent.

At first glance, the comment might seem to be just another inane little interweb turd. What's the big harm right? You say "its (sic) just humor". Everybody likes humor right? Sure!

Well, except for people of color, oft-marginalized or oppressed people when the so-called humor only serves the purpose of reinforcing and reinscribing harmful stereotypes that actively serve in their repression. So yeah, black people (whether African-Americans, Afro-Caribbean French, or whatever other instantiation you foolishly choose) are thieves! They ALL steal bicycles. They can't see a bicycle without nicking it. Now, when a stereotype like this is continually reproduced in public discourse (even in a timesuck like this forum), I wonder what effect it has on societies. Maybe people of color have more difficulty getting loans than whites (that doesn't happen in America does it?!) or maybe they're stopped by law enforcement for no reason because of their color. Now I could go on and on, but I won't -- presumably you've stopped reading already. But in case you have not, maybe I'll just recommend a book. Racism Without Racists by Eduardo Bonilla-Silva.

My main question Parullo, is this. What is humorous about the comment? It's not particularly clever, nor is it ironic. I've tried to think about things that I find funny, and public stereotyping and open racism don't really show up that often. Now maybe this was an aberration in your behavior. How could I know? Your pretty safe behind that computer screen. Maybe you'd never say something like that when physically surrounded by people... people who might be offended by your lack of sensitivity, tact, couth...

As for your defense, I'm not really sure I follow. You're right, humor directed at stereotypes at whites is often received differently than humor against people of color, but I don't see this as particularly supportive of your defense. People of color are regularly marginalized in white-dominated societies. These stereotypes are harmful. Pseudo-jokes such as this are never benign. Once you say it, it's out there, and you've contributed. So when it comes to racial discourse, whether it's humor, academic writing, or simple conversation with friends or strangers, we all have a responsibility.

The point is, if the issue of global racial equality was a game, and the sides were "for" and "against", you just played, whether you knew it or not, and everybody here knows what side you were on.

Next time use your head... For that matter, try to use it all the time my friend.

Sincerely,
Graham Slater
University of Colorado-Boulder

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Well yeah, but I've never seen him before on the road. I know there was a black rider thx to PCM 2009. Yet I've never seen him race... and I've been looking for him though

Yea, I'll admit I don't see much of him. He's apparently done things like Omloop and Roubaix, but not really been visible. Most of his CQ points from last year came from the Tropicale Amissa Bongo. He did the Giro in '06, '07 and '09 apparently. Looks like a stage of the '09 Tour de Langkawi is his best result.

Reza got a 3rd in a stage of the Volta ao Alentejo last year, riding for Vendée U. I suspect this means he's probably quite a quick finisher, but it's a weird top 10, with Steffen Radochla, Sérgio Ribeiro and Santiago Pérez all in it, very different types of riders.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

actually santi perez is also quite fast guy for climber. reza is a sprinter indeed

 

[Angliru]

They have two. Yohann Gène has been riding for them for years.

The 'new' black rider is Kevin Reza. He was a stagiare last year. He's from Guadeloupe, a French province in the Caribbean, same as Gène.

I think the other was Roni Martias (excuse the spelling) but I think he may have jumped to another team. At one time Aurelian Clerc was on Cofidis, I think back around 2003 or 2004. I'm pretty sure he was suspended and hasn't been back at the top of the sport.

 

[Angliru]

I get that it was meant to be funny, but it's not the type of humour that will sit on this site.

Everyone back on topic now.

If you want to discuss the fine line between racism and humour, there is a "General" forum for that.

My apologies for sidetracking the thread. I should have simply reported the post to the mods instead.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I think the other was Roni Martias (excuse the spelling) but I think he may have jumped to another team. At one time Aurelian Clerc was on Cofidis, I think back around 2003 or 2004. I'm pretty sure he was suspended and hasn't been back at the top of the sport.

Rony Martias moved to Saur-Sojasun for 2010 and is still there.

Clerc retired at the end of 2009, unable to find a new team and unwilling to toil in the amateur ranks. I think the rider you mean is Mederic Clain (thanks to a bit of looking on CQ). He rode for Cofidis from 2001 until May 2004, when his contract was dissolved. He's continued to race the French amateur calendar ever since.

 

[Angliru]

Rony Martias moved to Saur-Sojasun for 2010 and is still there.

Clerc retired at the end of 2009, unable to find a new team and unwilling to toil in the amateur ranks. I think the rider you mean is Mederic Clain (thanks to a bit of looking on CQ). He rode for Cofidis from 2001 until May 2004, when his contract was dissolved. He's continued to race the French amateur calendar ever since.

Thanks! That's the one, Mederic Clain. I knew his last name started with a "Cl". My apologies to Clerc for the mistaken identification.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

OK, should have thought that over first. Excuse me for my inappropriate post.

 

[The Hitch]

OK, should have thought that over first. Excuse me for my inappropriate post.

Your saved from total disgrace by the fact that you are named after a African American regiment from civil war times.

Unless your named after the song, in which case, your named after a song by a African American artist.

 

[Francois the Postman]

Ok, now we all made up and had our group hug, move on guys.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Yea, I'll admit I don't see much of him. He's apparently done things like Omloop and Roubaix, but not really been visible. Most of his CQ points from last year came from the Tropicale Amissa Bongo. He did the Giro in '06, '07 and '09 apparently. Looks like a stage of the '09 Tour de Langkawi is his best result.

Reza got a 3rd in a stage of the Volta ao Alentejo last year, riding for Vendée U. I suspect this means he's probably quite a quick finisher, but it's a weird top 10, with Steffen Radochla, Sérgio Ribeiro and Santiago Pérez all in it, very different types of riders.

Well Radochla is pretty fast... I hope to see him get some attention and good results. I'll be cheering for him anyways ^^

Your saved from total disgrace by the fact that you are named after a African American regiment from civil war times.

Unless your named after the song, in which case, your named after a song by a African American artist.

Or maybe he's rooting for AA Gent, a Belgian footballclub aka 'de Buffalo's' which, as he lives in Belgium, is way more likely

 

[alexcta]

COFIDIS 2011

 

[DAOTEC]

team to watch

Line-up: BATEK Dariusz (POL) 1986, BODNAR Lukasz (POL) 1982, CHARUCKI Pawel (POL) 1988, DOROZALA Aleksander (POL) 1985, HONKISZ Adrian U23 (POL) 1988, RATAJCZYK Rafał (POL) 1983, JANIACZYK Blazej (POL) 1983, JANISZEWSKI Sylwester U23 (POL) 1988, MARCZYNSKI Tomasz (POL) 1984, MATYSIAK Bartlomiej (POL) 1984, MORAJKO Jacek (POL) 1981, PIMENTA COSTA MENDES José Joao (POR) 1985, RUTKIEWICZ Marek (POL) 1981, SCHULZE André (GER) 1974, SMOLEN Tomasz (POL) 1983, TACIAK Mateusz (POL) 1984, WITECKI Mariusz (POL) 1981, ZIELINSKI Kamil U23 (POL) 1988, KIENDYS Tomasz (POL) 1977

Poland based Team CCC Polsat Polkowice will compete in the 2011 UCI races, but not yet in the UCI World Tour without an invite. CCC moved up this year and is one of the 23 Continental Pro teams selected as 2nd division.

Team CCC Polsat Polkowice Merida Reacto equipped with Sram Red group, FSA crankset, Sram S40 carbon wheels, Selle Italia saddle.

Best info @: http://s24.pl/ccc-polsat-polkowice-k283]

 

[Parrulo]

As a regular forum reader, I tend to stay silent -- I think I've posted maybe two or three times. I don't really have the time or energy to jump into the hundreds of really ridiculous, and often hilarious frays going on here. Car wrecks are fun to watch, not be a part of. Well... you get the point. This, however, is not an issue on which I can, in good conscience, remain silent.

At first glance, the comment might seem to be just another inane little interweb turd. What's the big harm right? You say "its (sic) just humor". Everybody likes humor right? Sure!

Well, except for people of color, oft-marginalized or oppressed people when the so-called humor only serves the purpose of reinforcing and reinscribing harmful stereotypes that actively serve in their repression. So yeah, black people (whether African-Americans, Afro-Caribbean French, or whatever other instantiation you foolishly choose) are thieves! They ALL steal bicycles. They can't see a bicycle without nicking it. Now, when a stereotype like this is continually reproduced in public discourse (even in a timesuck like this forum), I wonder what effect it has on societies. Maybe people of color have more difficulty getting loans than whites (that doesn't happen in America does it?!) or maybe they're stopped by law enforcement for no reason because of their color. Now I could go on and on, but I won't -- presumably you've stopped reading already. But in case you have not, maybe I'll just recommend a book. Racism Without Racists by Eduardo Bonilla-Silva.

My main question Parullo, is this. What is humorous about the comment? It's not particularly clever, nor is it ironic. I've tried to think about things that I find funny, and public stereotyping and open racism don't really show up that often. Now maybe this was an aberration in your behavior. How could I know? Your pretty safe behind that computer screen. Maybe you'd never say something like that when physically surrounded by people... people who might be offended by your lack of sensitivity, tact, couth...

As for your defense, I'm not really sure I follow. You're right, humor directed at stereotypes at whites is often received differently than humor against people of color, but I don't see this as particularly supportive of your defense. People of color are regularly marginalized in white-dominated societies. These stereotypes are harmful. Pseudo-jokes such as this are never benign. Once you say it, it's out there, and you've contributed. So when it comes to racial discourse, whether it's humor, academic writing, or simple conversation with friends or strangers, we all have a responsibility.

The point is, if the issue of global racial equality was a game, and the sides were "for" and "against", you just played, whether you knew it or not, and everybody here knows what side you were on.

Next time use your head... For that matter, try to use it all the time my friend.

Sincerely,
Graham Slater
University of Colorado-Boulder

btw all that stuff you say i find the end the best Part. do you need to prove you are smart on the internet by saying you are from the university of colorado? i could say the university where i study even tho for you it wouldn't mean anything cus you are american and anything out of the US sucks(see i just made a joke over an stereotype). anyway i will only say this once everything can be said seriously or as a joke. that was just a joke that people with lack of sense of humor find offensive but people with sense of humor would find funny. i for once have a bunch of black friends who love stereotype jokes and they also tho them a lot( even making fun of the black stereotype(is this correct?))

sincerely,
Tiago Amoedo
Random Portuguese engineering university that sucks cus its not in the us.

anyway back on topic

the kit looks good. its not great but kind of like RadioShack it looks good when compared to all those boring new black or white kits around this year. the natioanl jersey looks weird with the green sponsor on top of the white part of the french flag.

p.s. inb4 some1 says it i wasn't trolling just telling my humble opinion

 

[Libertine Seguros]

With 19 riders, and wildcard status, I'd assume they'll get a chance to ride the Tour de Pologne; elsewise they'll be making do with the Central and Eastern European calendar, so races like the Bayernrundfahrt, Österreichrundfahrt, Szlakiem Grodów Piastkowskich, Course de Solidarność, Tallinn-Tartu GP, the Rund um die Braunkohle, Rund um Berlin, Frankfurt Maitagrennen, maybe Vattenfall if they're lucky. They'll do occasional races outside of that, for sure. I think they did Murcía and Turkey in 2010, so races like that, and Asturias (oh god, them and Euskaltel together, could = confusion).

If they do ride the Tour de Pologne, however, that means their roster will be stretched to breaking point were they to enter the Volta a Portugal, so we'll be denied seeing what José João Mendes can do. Marek Rutkiewicz will come top 10 in the Tour de Pologne and every other UCI-rated race in Poland regardless.

 

[Barrus]

With 19 riders, and wildcard status, I'd assume they'll get a chance to ride the Tour de Pologne; elsewise they'll be making do with the Central and Eastern European calendar, so races like the Bayernrundfahrt, Österreichrundfahrt, Szlakiem Grodów Piastkowskich, Course de Solidarność, Tallinn-Tartu GP, the Rund um die Braunkohle, Rund um Berlin, Frankfurt Maitagrennen, maybe Vattenfall if they're lucky. They'll do occasional races outside of that, for sure. I think they did Murcía and Turkey in 2010, so races like that, and Asturias (oh god, them and Euskaltel together, could = confusion).

If they do ride the Tour de Pologne, however, that means their roster will be stretched to breaking point were they to enter the Volta a Portugal, so we'll be denied seeing what José João Mendes can do. Marek Rutkiewicz will come top 10 in the Tour de Pologne and every other UCI-rated race in Poland regardless.

I think Pologne will be a lot more important to them than the Volta, also if I am not mistaken, last year in races in which both them and Euskaltel rode, Team CCC wore different color jerseys, but I might be remembering this wrong

 

[Libertine Seguros]

i will only say this once everything can be said seriously or as a joke. that was just a joke that people with lack of sense of humor find offensive but people with sense of humor would find funny. i for once have a bunch of black friends who love stereotype jokes and they also tho them a lot( even making fun of the black stereotype(is this correct?))

Disagree - things can be said seriously or as a joke, but a joke is dependent on two things - the sender and the receiver. A joke that kills by one comedian could bomb by another; and the audience affects the joke too. It's not a case of "if you don't find this funny, you have no sense of humour", it's just that "if you don't find this funny, you have a different sense of humour to me because I do find it funny".

Stereotype jokes are always part of comedy. They can be wonderfully observed, but they can be crass, depending on how people perceive those stereotypes. I think, however, that the most negative stereotypes tend to be seen as socially acceptable only as self-deprecating humour. If Larry David or Woody Allen start playing on negative stereotypes of Jews, you laugh at it because you know it's in good spirit - these guys are Jewish, they spend a lot of their life surrounded by Jewish families, and so on. If a goy comedian started making the same jokes, mocking the Jews and their way of life, they would feel within their rights to close shop and defend themselves against this intruder mocking them. The same goes for race, and also nationality.

Of course there are exceptions. The German comedian Henning Wehn uses a lot of stereotypes in his act, and mocks Great Britain and England a lot; this may seem negative, but his act involves also being a stereotype of what the British expect a German to be like. Then you also have something like the Dutch comedy troupe Jiskefet, who have wonderfully observed sketches mocking German food culture and English sport.

I think the main thing with humour like this is down to the receiver. The English are well aware that some of their beloved sports are complicated and strange to the outsider, so they don't mind that being mocked. Many black people DO mind being mocked as criminals and low-lifes, however, and wish to dissociate themselves from that. The Chris Rock sketch about "black people" and "n-words" applies here - but if a white guy made that sketch, all hell would break loose.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I think Pologne will be a lot more important to them than the Volta, also if I am not mistaken, last year in races in which both them and Euskaltel rode, Team CCC wore different color jerseys, but I might be remembering this wrong

Oh, no doubt Pologne is more important to them than the Volta. I was bewailing that because their roster isn't really big enough to send a team to both races, I'd be denied seeing their Portuguese rider, who I like and rate highly, at his home race.

 

[nobilis]

More @: http://www.astana.lu/gallery-team-pres-2011

With shaving the legs and wearing tight spandex, do they really have to crossdress?

 

[DAOTEC]

- With 19 riders, and wildcard status, I'd assume they'll get a chance to ride the Tour de Pologne Hmm

- (oh god, them and Euskaltel together, could = confusion).

-to enter the Volta a Portugal, so we'll be denied seeing what José João Mendes can do. Marek Rutkiewicz will come top 10 in the Tour de Pologne and every other UCI-rated race in Poland regardless.

I think Pologne will be a lot more important to them than the Volta, also if I am not mistaken, last year in races in which both them and Euskaltel rode,

Team CCC wore different color jerseys, but I might be remembering this wrong

Oh, no doubt Pologne is more important to them than the Volta. I was bewailing that because their roster isn't really big enough to send a team to both races, I'd be denied seeing their Portuguese rider, who I like and rate highly, at his home race.

CCC will be at the Volta

and many more

 

[Captain_Cavman]

...The English are well aware that some of their beloved sports are complicated and strange to the outsider, so they don't mind that being mocked...

Oh we do, do we? Talk about stereotyping.

I'm just saddened that Mr Slater from the whitest city in America hasn't leapt in when us poor English have been the victim of off-colour negative stereotyping from a load of ungrateful Australians.



Anyway, so far amongst the Pro Tour kits,

1. Movistar -apart from Nat Champ
2. Europcar -apart from Nat Champ - what do I know? There is no 2.
3. RadioShack

 

[nobilis]

Disagree - things can be said seriously or as a joke, but a joke is dependent on two things - the sender and the receiver. A joke that kills by one comedian could bomb by another; and the audience affects the joke too. It's not a case of "if you don't find this funny, you have no sense of humour", it's just that "if you don't find this funny, you have a different sense of humour to me because I do find it funny".

Well, I think this is why it's called a discussion forum. We all have different thoughts, tastes, opinions or views, otherwise there will be no discussion.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Oh we do, do we? Talk about stereotyping.

I'm just saddened that Mr Slater from the whitest city in America hasn't leapt in when us poor English have been the victim of off-colour negative stereotyping from a load of ungrateful Australians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0jPaTmWF5I

Are you offended by this? I suggest that if you are, you are being more uptight than a black man who gets offended by being likened to a criminal. Definitely.

I'm not entirely sure I get your post. Who is Mr Slater, and who are the ungrateful Australians who've been stereotyping the English here?

 

[Captain_Cavman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0jPaTmWF5I

Are you offended by this? I suggest that if you are, you are being more uptight than a black man who gets offended by being likened to a criminal. Definitely.

I'm not entirely sure I get your post. Who is Mr Slater, and who are the ungrateful Australians who've been stereotyping the English here?

Mr Slater, you know, Graham from Colorado.


As for the video, it looks like the Dutch have got themselves a thoroughly engrossing sport there. A bit frenetic maybe. I would have liked to have seen another chukka or two. Do they play it a lot round your way?

 

[hrotha]

You can compare all Pro Tour jerseys here:
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=34484

I think Saxo Bank will look a lot whiter than that in sunlight though.