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New Moderator - Francois the Postman

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Many of you will know "Francois the Postman" through his balanced and friendly posting on this site over the last year.

He has kindly accepted a role as a Moderator here on the forums starting this weekend just gone. At the moment he is getting up to speed understanding the various tools and responsibilities of being a moderator here - :eek: - but will soon be a more visible and very welcome presence on the site.

Please join me in welcoming him to this new role! :D
 
Martin318is said:
Many of you will know "Francois the Postman" through his balanced and friendly posting on this site over the last year.

He has kindly accepted a role as a Moderator here on the forums starting this weekend just gone. At the moment he is getting up to speed understanding the various tools and responsibilities of being a moderator here - :eek: - but will soon be a more visible and very welcome presence on the site.

Please join me in welcoming him to this new role! :D

This shows obvious bias, that a Frenchie cancer lover should be made a mod instead of two obviously more qualified candidates. I suspect that Wonderlance and Scribe were both passed over simply because they can believe in miracles.
 
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Cute - I should point out that the process to make Francois the Postman a moderator actually started a few months ago...
 
Velonews mangment team on this latest appointment:

CEO Phil: Listen to me. They make anybody and everybody over there. And the way that they do it, it's all _ up. Guys don't get their finger pricked. There's no sword and gun on the table...
Vice president Albie : Phil...
Phil : No, Alb, either it has meaning or no meaning.
 
So the Dutch take over of CNF is under way. Barrus, now Francois.While both are relatively moderate, with Dekker T at the head, surely we are not to far away, from any negative comments on Gesink being met with bans.
 
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The Hitch said:
So the Dutch take over of CNF is under way. Barrus, now Francois.While both are relatively moderate, with Dekker T at the head, surely we are not to far away, from any negative comments on Gesink being met with bans.
And here I thought that whole TGBM thing was just a joke. It's a primer, and if we don't get on board - we're done.
 
Overall though, its a good choice for a mod, because Francois "you have recieved a ban" posts will be so long, banned posters will just say " screw it" and take their ban instead of complaining about it in the mod section.
 
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pedaling squares said:
A good choice, but is this evidence that the forum has been successfully infiltrated by the Dutch Mafia?

I never knew francois the postman was dutch. Anyway, how fair he is will be the "proof in the pudding" of a justified descision on him becoming a moderator.
 
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Indeed, I have crossed over to the dark side. Which proves that I am

a) the sort of idiot who volunteers for a shooting gallery duck position
b) obviously part of another "cozy clique" I wasn't aware of

Martin hinted already that this wasn't something that happened from one day to the next, but a process of several months. And no, that wasn't because that was how long it took to read that first email. Let's just say I thought about it for a while.

I like to think I have an opinion that is my own, rather than the echo of some sort of group-think. I am far too old to need "to belong". I like to believe that the vast majority of posters here are equals amongst equals, people with opinions sharing a common enthusiasm. And that people only lower themselves out of that group by picking the sort of behaviour that aims to spoil the pleasure of respectful others here. I also believe we all have a bad day at times, and most of us will regret that on reflection.

I have seen that some people here are quick to put you "in camps" regardless (jesting aside), and treat whole food groups as if they speak with one voice, often ignoring what is actually said.

Becoming a mod will have repercussions on how my posts are perceived by some readers, on my "freedom" to post here as an equal amongst equals, and inject some aggro in site visits that I didn't initiate, but will be dealing with. On a site I visit solely for my enjoyment. It's a price that I have now volunteered for, but it is still a price I only reluctantly pay.

I do hope that the pay-off is a site enjoyed by (most/more) others. I don't expect it will please all.

To the easily polarised: feel free to skim over all my past posts about LA (and Gesink) for signs of how that will relate to moderation decisions on my behalf. Or ponder for a few minutes the possibility that that my view on issues might actually not have much to do with my moderation interventions, if any. I'm no crusader.

Whilst you are at it, you might also spot a reasonably consistent attitude to fellow posters here, that other POV are seen as valid by me, or equally daft as many of mine, and not signs that the poster who spouted them must be drunk, an infant, or mentally unstable. I hope that I have, anyway.

In the past I have made public complaints about general posting behaviour more than targeting one camp or the other, and even mediated between posters here, rather than picked a side. When I addressed people on certain posts, I tend to favour reflection and appeal to maturity and common enthusiasm more, rather than jump to aggression as an anti-dote.

So instead of looking at which Lance Camp I fall into, or which tectonic plate I was born on, maybe judging me by how I actually behave on the forum might be the more insightful way to extrapolate upcoming moderator behaviour from.

So, if you worry about having a contrary view and me as a mod, chances are I will be able to set differences of opinions aside and look at a situation without much bias baggage. If you think I am in "your camp", you haven't read a lot of what I wrote in the past then.

I'm no fan of moderation. I much prefer self-moderation and respectful engagement.

The proof will be in the eating though. And do feel free to complain if you think I am wrong. I have made many mistakes in life. I don't expect that to stop soon.

I, like the other mods, will no doubt make a decision or two that could have been made better. We try our best but are only human. If you feel that is the case, and you are (understandably) upset, communicating calmly might still be the more productive way to proceed. We like to think we are all adults. It would be nice if we showed that capacity too when things don't go our way. You can judge me on how I uphold those standards too.

And be ready to be served long papers :D

I do appreciate the work of some of the mods that caught my eye here. I will have "my job" cut out if I hope to evoke a similar level of appreciation of my judgement calls, over time.

One small but important note: I am not fully up and running yet. There is a small glitch in my set-up that stops me from having access to an important part of the mod tools. Until that is fixed I will be taking a back-seat.

Any questions, just ask.
 
Francois the Postman said:
obviously part of another "cozy clique" I wasn't aware of


I like to think I have an opinion that is my own, rather than the echo of some sort of group-think. I am far too old to need "to belong".

I have seen that some people here are quick to put you "in camps" regardless.

To the easily polarised: feel free to skim over all my past posts about LA (and Gesink) for signs of how that will relate to moderation decisions on my behalf.

So instead of looking at which Lance Camp I fall into, or which tectonic plate I was born on,

Hey Francois. The Dutch mafia thing is a joke :) Hasnt been around as long or used as much as the TGBM joke which is still going strong.

Because you are dutch you and a prominent poster you will always be part of it. Blood in blood out as they say. But this doesnt mean that you are a rabo fanboy or biased to Gesink or anything. Doesnt mean Dekker T is your overlord either (though in the original hiiarchy you were put top of the food chain, but now you have turned states) Its just a joke.

And as much of your post is spent making the case that you will try your best to be fair, i am sure you will be a fair moderator.

But just in case, always remember

Honores mutant mores

Oh and congratulations, but...

Respice post te! Hominem te memento
;)
 
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The Hitch said:
Hey Francois. The Dutch mafia thing is a joke :) Hasnt been around as long or used as much as the TGBM joke which is still going strong.

Et tu, Hitch?

Aye, I did get that. Hence my "jesting aside" insertion. It was to flag to careful readers who the comments were aimed at, and who wasn't in my crosshairs. Seems I overestimated your interpretive skills, as you really weren't "a target" there :D

Instead, I had full intentions to send you a wee "job well done" note, about the post that ended up as Barrus' signature, which I assume was posted when I had a break from the site. But I haven't been able to locate the thread that prompted it, so good intentions fell by the wayside. Let's do that here instead then. It is always good to see solid jesting done with flair and style.

And boy, will I have to be careful. Just spotted that the "edit post" button is in the exact spot where my "reply to post" button was. I almost had altered your post Hitch, instead of stripping out some of your quoted text in my response to yours :eek:

I will know resume my position with my back against the wall. You don't become a Don without picking up a thing or two en route. It's that Dekker fella that I don't trust, but I'll remember to keep an eye on you too. ;)


And no, before anyone asks, I wasn't the one who deleted the transfer thread by accident, or behind whatever caused it. That inquiry was up and running before they gave me a steering wheel too.
 

Barrus

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It does make sure that my job within the mafia is now played out :(

That's probably one of the reasons I got a new signature. :p

But Francois, glad to have you on board
 
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Francois the Postman said:
signs that the poster who spouted them must be drunk, an infant, or mentally unstable.

So your out to get me too? You've made a powerful enemy.

I regard your appointment as an insult to the awesome work in this forum and make no mistake my many followers will inflict a terrible vengeance of irritating PM's Upon you.

WonderLance for MOD!
 
Jul 23, 2009
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Good attitude towards moderation FTP. Although I already had you pegged as a well-balanced mod 37 minutes ago, when I started reading your post.

Martin318is said:
How about we try not taking a notification thread off topic - just to see what it feels like.
Martin, you know I've got your back but... once the notification has been posted in a notification thread - isn't the point of the thread a fait accompli? Surely that leaves some leeway for the rest of us... :p
 
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ah yes very true - but you may not have seen some of the pointless posts I had to rip out of this thread to make it the beautiful work of art you see before you.
 
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So now theres new mods are we going to have a poll on which one of the old ones to get rid of :D
 
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Francois the Postman said:
Indeed, I have crossed over to the dark side. Which proves that I am

a) the sort of idiot who volunteers for a shooting gallery duck position
b) obviously part of another "cozy clique" I wasn't aware of

Martin hinted already that this wasn't something that happened from one day to the next, but a process of several months. And no, that wasn't because that was how long it took to read that first email. Let's just say I thought about it for a while.

I like to think I have an opinion that is my own, rather than the echo of some sort of group-think. I am far too old to need "to belong". I like to believe that the vast majority of posters here are equals amongst equals, people with opinions sharing a common enthusiasm. And that people only lower themselves out of that group by picking the sort of behaviour that aims to spoil the pleasure of respectful others here. I also believe we all have a bad day at times, and most of us will regret that on reflection.

I have seen that some people here are quick to put you "in camps" regardless (jesting aside), and treat whole food groups as if they speak with one voice, often ignoring what is actually said.

Becoming a mod will have repercussions on how my posts are perceived by some readers, on my "freedom" to post here as an equal amongst equals, and inject some aggro in site visits that I didn't initiate, but will be dealing with. On a site I visit solely for my enjoyment. It's a price that I have now volunteered for, but it is still a price I only reluctantly pay.

I do hope that the pay-off is a site enjoyed by (most/more) others. I don't expect it will please all.

To the easily polarised: feel free to skim over all my past posts about LA (and Gesink) for signs of how that will relate to moderation decisions on my behalf. Or ponder for a few minutes the possibility that that my view on issues might actually not have much to do with my moderation interventions, if any. I'm no crusader.

Whilst you are at it, you might also spot a reasonably consistent attitude to fellow posters here, that other POV are seen as valid by me, or equally daft as many of mine, and not signs that the poster who spouted them must be drunk, an infant, or mentally unstable. I hope that I have, anyway.

In the past I have made public complaints about general posting behaviour more than targeting one camp or the other, and even mediated between posters here, rather than picked a side. When I addressed people on certain posts, I tend to favour reflection and appeal to maturity and common enthusiasm more, rather than jump to aggression as an anti-dote.

So instead of looking at which Lance Camp I fall into, or which tectonic plate I was born on, maybe judging me by how I actually behave on the forum might be the more insightful way to extrapolate upcoming moderator behaviour from.

So, if you worry about having a contrary view and me as a mod, chances are I will be able to set differences of opinions aside and look at a situation without much bias baggage. If you think I am in "your camp", you haven't read a lot of what I wrote in the past then.

I'm no fan of moderation. I much prefer self-moderation and respectful engagement.

The proof will be in the eating though. And do feel free to complain if you think I am wrong. I have made many mistakes in life. I don't expect that to stop soon.

I, like the other mods, will no doubt make a decision or two that could have been made better. We try our best but are only human. If you feel that is the case, and you are (understandably) upset, communicating calmly might still be the more productive way to proceed. We like to think we are all adults. It would be nice if we showed that capacity too when things don't go our way. You can judge me on how I uphold those standards too.

And be ready to be served long papers :D

I do appreciate the work of some of the mods that caught my eye here. I will have "my job" cut out if I hope to evoke a similar level of appreciation of my judgement calls, over time.

One small but important note: I am not fully up and running yet. There is a small glitch in my set-up that stops me from having access to an important part of the mod tools. Until that is fixed I will be taking a back-seat.

Any questions, just ask.
I feel like I am being lectured to. I will keep you on your toes Francois!
WonderLance said:
So your out to get me too? You've made a powerful enemy.

I regard your appointment as an insult to the awesome work in this forum and make no mistake my many followers will inflict a terrible vengeance of irritating PM's Upon you.

WonderLance for MOD!
We feel your wrath WonderLance!!!

OOOOOOOOOOH!
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
I feel like I am being lectured to. I will keep you on your toes Francois!

:confused: you do realize you are saying that you will be adopting the type of behaviour that warrants me to be constantly alert, ready to pounce? It reads as if you will be throwing in the odd blatant transgression, just to see if I do actually react?

Or are you informing me that in your own eyes you are just the type of poster that is behind the sort of forum behaviour that needs moderators on constant standby, just in case. And you are reminding me that a similar attitude will be required of me?

You surely aren't voluntary submitting yourself for enhanced scrutiny of your posts by the moderators here, giving us a pick-on-me invitation to keep a close eye on your posts in specific? ;)

All joking aside:

Yes, I guess there was a general pre-emptive "lecture" of sorts included in that post. If this lecture was addressing you..? Does the shoe fit? Therein lies your answer.
 
Francois the Postman said:
:confused: you do realize you are saying that you will be adopting the type of behaviour that warrants me to be constantly alert, ready to pounce? It reads as if you will be throwing in the odd blatant transgression, just to see if I do actually react?

Or are you informing me that in your own eyes you are just the type of poster that is behind the sort of forum behaviour that needs moderators on constant standby, just in case. And you are reminding me that a similar attitude will be required of me?

You surely aren't voluntary submitting yourself for enhanced scrutiny of your posts by the moderators here, giving us a pick-on-me invitation to keep a close eye on your posts in specific? ;)

All joking aside:

Yes, I guess there was a general pre-emptive "lecture" of sorts included in that post. If this lecture was addressing you..? Does the shoe fit? Therein lies your answer.

Just relax.