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Jun 16, 2009
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The reason for me to visit the CyclingNews website has gone: Summary of latest news editions. It will be a habit to check CN twice a day, but if that's gone forever, the habit will die..

All the other things are just as easy/difficult to find on other (Dutch) sites...
 
Jun 3, 2009
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Can we have daily news back please, i notice you have April's daily news up there. Can we begin to have the daily news back, even if it is all the previous days articles bunched into one page.

That way i don't need to go from page to page.
 

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Hi Everyone,

I’d like to start by thanking you again for your feedback. Whether it’s been good, indifferent or bad, as long as it’s constructive we’ll read it, take it on board and try and implement what we can, as best we can. That reads like political rhetoric but I sincerely mean it, as your feedback, opinions and ideas are what inspires me as the editor and my production team too. I know for a fact that when we one of our readers emails in with a compliment or praise it really touches us and drives us on. On the flip side, when we receive criticism or flack it also acts as a driving force for us to do better. Whatever the feedback, we always try and respond. So here’s a response to some of the queries and frustrations you’ve shared with us over the last 24 hours. If I’ve missed anything specific, I apologise and please feel free to drop me a line and I’ll be happy to chat with you.

The redesign

Some of you have asked why we’ve redesigned the site. That decision wasn’t taken lightly but after significant research we reached the conclusion that the site needed work, and, we poured over a year of hard work, research and development into the project. Of course you’d be correct in assuming that there are commercial reasons for the new format too. It’s a fact that ad revenue, , is used to run, develop and maintain the site, We employ journalists in Australia, the UK, mainland Europe and North America which is expensive. It’s expensive to generate the depth and breadth of our coverage that we offer. While a lot of companies are standing still or cutting back we’ve followed our passion and backed it up with a new and exciting design with new and exciting features. It’s a fast-moving world where change is inevitable, and CN wants to be at the front of that force.

So we added extra functionality, and will continue to do so over the comings days and weeks as the transition from the old site smoothes over. For example, we’ve developed a results engine that allows us to format and upload results faster than before. Soon the results engine will tie into our riders and teams section, with added functionality. It’s not quite perfect yet but it’s going in the right direction.

There’s also the ability to post news in real time. This was a big win for the site, as while I think the editions were a fantastic addition (and we’ll get to editions shortly) CN was always hampered by the fact its competitors were able to post news in a more responsive manner. We’ve tried to improve our service by combining editions with single stories.

As yet the RSS feeds and newsletter functions are still waiting to be deployed but once they are they’ll make a big difference.

However there are bugs and the site isn’t working at 100 per cent capacity, and we accept that. What we’re not going to do is ignore, brush off or gloss over these issues. We’ll fix them and we’ll do it as fast as we possibly can. Here are some of the examples we’re working on.

Editions: We promised you that you’d be able to see your news in the same digestible manner as before. The editions are a legacy that CN has built up over the years and it’s something I never wanted to lose. It’s part of the site’s heritage after all.

To cut that story short, we are close to finding a fix, and like I’ve said it was a bitter pill to swallow when I realised that we’d be going live without them.


Speed of the site: To give you some background on this, the site used to run without a content management system, just flat page, after flat page. This was something that hindered our development and production and ultimately our ability to get news up fast. The site now runs with a content management system. You might assume that this slows down the site but from the tests we’ve run the site is actually quicker at loading than ever before.. We’ll also be making the site even quicker with new software in the coming weeks.


Missing functionality: I’m talking about all the things you loved on the old CMS that haven’t appeared or aren’t working in a manner that’s easy to find or understand. For example, race images, calendars and photo captions to name but a few topics. These issues are logged with our development team but what I’d like everyone to accept is that CN is a huge website. It has million and millions of pages with stored content with no content management system or sophisticated order. Transferring and replicating what we had on the old site was always going to be a mammoth job. In the cases of results, reports, articles, blogs, tech we’ve nailed it. There are some areas, like race images that haven’t worked yet, so please bear with us while we get to grips with these bugs and fix them. Once we’ve fixed each major bug we’ll be sure to drop into the forums to let you all know and ask for more feedback.

Navigation: This was always paramount in our minds when it came to the new design. ‘Can people find what they want, when they want it?’ The answer is that no matter how nostalgic one gets, the former site wasn’t perfect and had some major flaws. Content was lost or buried very quickly, users clicked on one page and left, with navigation almost an after-thought.

I won’t say that what we have now is perfect, there are some tweaks that need to be made in the coming days and the site will continue to evolve but overall, the site navigation has been a big win.

Our audience: Our audience is the best testing ground for site development, hence why we user-tested our site before launch. However, I still appreciate you coming up with new ways to improve the site. We’ve set up a new email address redesign@cyclingnews.com for you to send in your feedback. You’re email won’t just drop into the ether, as that address redirects to myself, a senior developer and Greg, my production editor in Australia. Alternatively, keep posting here in the forums and I’ll be along later to answer any questions.

Thanks

Daniel Benson
Managing Editor Cyclingnews.com
 

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New update: You'll notice that editions are now appearing on the website. These don't work just yet but we're very, very close.

Thanks for your patience.

Daniel
 
Jun 16, 2009
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visual look

Is there a glitch on the general visuals - layouts of race results overlay on screen rendering results illegible - not promising.
 
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Daniel I can understand you need to make what you see as improvements to the site to make it easier for you to get the readers the news that they have come to rely on from CN. Unfortunately I think you may have a few problems with the direction that you have take.

Firstly, in regards with going with the Bike-radar look and feel. I cant stand this site and only visit maybe once or twice a month when I am killing time. It is hard to navigate and is slow to load. I have a real concern that you are going towards a combination of the sites. This would really disappoint me as I find this site a little to UK focused and lacks the 'worldly' direction that CN has.

The new site does load slower and due to the amount of flash has caused me some major problems with viewing the site. I normally catch up on the site at work, but due to security restriction, which limit flash, the site is completely unreadable at work. It also does not work at all on Windows Mobile 6.1. So there goes my favorite means of having a break.

Some suggestions that would make the use of the site easier. First and foremost get rid of that stupid rolling block of annoyance at the top of the page. It chews up download, time and serves no real purpose that could not be more effectively done in your news update area.

Some sort of indication which identifies weather I have read a article or not.

Please consider that not all your readers have the latest and greatest IT equipment or the ability to download lots of useless content. I know you need the ads for business reason and have even found one or two quite useful, but there is allot on the new site which at best could be as being rated as 'filler' with no real purpose other then to look new and flashy.

The result is that I have done a search and found a new site for my news.
http://www.cyclesportnews.com/aus/

I will check back every few days to see how all the changes come together, but I can see my regular habit of checking the site becoming less already.
 
Mar 31, 2009
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New website.

Please remove the Adobe Flash content- it is a resource hog and insecure. Your new page header does not improve the look of the previous version but it performs worse and hoards CPU cycles. I will no longer check your website if it means I have to install flash to view it. Just because your web-designer can use flash doesn't mean it improves your website (studies show that sites with lots of Flash content lose viewers quicker despite the initial punch of the snazzy effects).

Forcing users to install a proprietary and hackable plugin to view your content is counterproductive and, more importantly uneccessary, as your previous header and sister website http://www.bikeradar.com proves. Hopefully Flash (and silverlight) content will go away as HTML 5.0 is used more, why not be ahead of the game, give your readers a slick and efficient website by getting rid of Flash.

I want to selectivley read the cycling news not see annoying moving images or empty flash placeholders and pop-ups telling me I need to install a dog of a plugin.
 
Jun 16, 2009
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new site

Well I've also registered to add my voice

New site on the whole is very clean, but there's far too much info that seems to be in the same weight font or size pic, no light and shade.

Borders at the side with sunflowers serve no purpose and just confuse.

You cannot find the latest issue/news update

Top flash panel is really annoying

Basically it is not a pleasant experience using the new site.
 

dmcalpin

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Jun 15, 2009
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Absolute Rubbish

My thoughts on the new site - Absolute Rubbish

Can a competitor please reverse engineer the previous Cycling News web site layout (maybe Gerard Knapp the orginal owner) so roadies who want news and results can have a GOOD site to go to

Other Comments
- Slow
- Poorly Designed - too much white space and crap out wide
- I want to view ALL results not just top 10
- you need to be able to READ results(currently not easy at all)
- If I wanted to visit poorly designed advertising laden sites I'd go to BikeRadar or Velonews
 
Jun 16, 2009
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new website

I'm just exploring the new webpage, so I wouldn't tell anything bad yet :).
My only remark here is that I miss the stage profiles (or just couldnt I find it?, for example for Tour de Suisse), because I decide to watch/follow up a stage basicly on the profile...
 
Apr 8, 2009
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ahh what the hell!!

everything is everywhere. before it was all on one page. all the results were 1 click away. I could glance at the headlines 3 times a day with ease. things might be more high tech but geez it sure aint user friendly. it was so SIMPLE thts why it became the best
 
Jun 16, 2009
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Connect to beta.cyclingnews.com password pop-up

Entering and using the FORUM section.

The "pop-up" that arrives upon entry and when changing pages doesn't accept a proper ID and password and it keeps coming back up until, in frustration, one hits cancel. The cancel action then allows one to proceeed as if the id and password has been accepted.

Dumping this site on us without proper development testing is a very naive and foolish move.
 
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gruppo said:
Entering and using the FORUM section.

The "pop-up" that arrives upon entry and when changing pages doesn't accept a proper ID and password and it keeps coming back up until, in frustration, one hits cancel. The cancel action then allows one to proceeed as if the id and password has been accepted.

This has been addressed. The new menu was just rolled out onto the forum, which caused this issue.

Cheers
Greg Johnson
 
Thread to discuss cyclingnews.com's main site redisgn

Let's all disclose whether we know WTF we're taling about before we criticize what has obviously been a lot of hard work, and which gets the job done!

I'm a web developer, developing web-delivered applications as opposed to news sites

I think the redisgn could have been done better, both WRT layout, and content delivery.

I don't like the individual articles that you have to navigate to now. I prefer the news to be contained in one scrollable page.

I'd also have gone for more Ajax type stuff with fewer page reloads.

Any time I see tabs now, I don't expect the page to reload on changing tabs, I expect the content to just appear! There's no reason why this can't happen.
 
OK, I see that from the "News" section, you can still access the whole page of news.

That link should be on the home page. It's what most of us go to cyclingnews.com for. Not for blogs and other fluff.

It's why the site is cyclingnews.com.
 
Jun 15, 2009
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The new design is terrible, so says I and every single person that normally checks teh CN site that i have talked to. I not sure I will keep checking here anymore.

G
 
Jun 16, 2009
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please address the spoilers

Cyclingnews has been my homepage for the last 8 years. I feel the pain a bit of getting used to something new. But I can deal & if the content is all there.

I do like the layout and the news sections. I love the reporting and that is still there.

My biggest concern is with the spoilers on the results. I wouldn't mind if the results -eventually- have a spoiler headline (like 48 hours later), but I hate to see this before I've read the live report - which is what brings me to cyclingnews 90% of the time. Coming home after work and reading the live report (without knowing the outcome) is something I often look forward to all day. It's not the result I'm after - its the story of the race. I just can't keep CN my homepage if there are spoilers as soon as it pops up.

I noticed several other posts with the same concern but no replies yet - so thought I'd add my voice.

Maybe delay the spoiler for 36 hours?

Maybe have a no-spoiler option as you pull up the homepage?

Maybe make it a click to see the latest headline, a link I don't need to see before I've read the race report?

Thanks.
 
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Daniel Benson said:
That reads like political rhetoric but I sincerely mean it, as your feedback, opinions and ideas are what inspires me as the editor and my production team too.


But Daniel - WE DON'T LIKE IT...

Why don't you turn the old site back on while you fix the bugs and make it good?
 
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i wouldn't say the new design is terrible. any time a website is redesigned, it takes time to get used to it. but i agree with someone above who said that one page of the day's news should be on the front page without having to go through the extra step of going to the news tab.
 
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