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The Hitch

The Hitch

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cineteq said:
I agree with Evans and Contador, but Menchov??? La Vuelta 2010 for instance.
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An off form Menchov still slaughtered Nibali in that tt.

1. VELITS Peter THR 52'43" 70
2. MENCHOV Denis RAB 12" 40
3. CANCELLARA Fabian SAX 37" 25
4. LARSSON Gustav Erik SAX 50" 15
5. SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon GCE 01'03" 10
6. HOSTE Leif OLO 01'07" 7
7. ZABRISKIE David GRM 01'10" 5
8. BARREDO LLAMAZALES Carlos QST 01'14" 3
9. GILBERT Philippe OLO 01'24" 2
10. MILLAR David GRM 01'27" 1
11. TONDO VOLPINI Xavier CTT 01'29" 0
12. KARPETS Vladimir KAT 01'46" 0
13. SASTRE CANDIL Carlos CTT 01'47" 0
14. DANIELSON Tom GRM 01'53" 0
15. NIBALI Vincenzo LIQ 01'54" 0

Admitedly Nibali did lose 20 - 30 seconds on a mechanical but he was still way down on Menchov at the time.

The only tt you can use is the Giro 2011 one where The Pope also lost to Rujano in the tt, and we all know how you like to use 1 result and ignore everything else to prove your points.
 
Dekker_Tifosi

Dekker_Tifosi

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Nibali's TT'ing seems a bit overrated, he's not really any better than Andy, who is a reasonable TT'er but cops a lot of flak for it. Neither are ever going to win a GT from their TT though.
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Indeed.

Nibali's TT is the most overrated on the forums, his climbing however, is underrated, even I have to admit that. He's been climbing far better than I'd estimate him to be.
But there's still the quirks/weak points. Like at the end of a GT he seems to get much worse faster than others...
 
Parrulo

Parrulo

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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Indeed.

Nibali's TT is the most overrated on the forums, his climbing however, is underrated, even I have to admit that. He's been climbing far better than I'd estimate him to be.
But there's still the quirks/weak points. Like at the end of a GT he seems to get much worse faster than others...
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lol who would have thought me and D_T would agree on something about nibali.

yes his itt is overrated, he is good on prologues and short itt's(under 15k) but after that he is can only limit his losses to a certain degree.

his major weakness by far is day to day recovery, he was very strong on monte grappa then he was very weak on the zoncolan in the 2010 giro, he was good this year in stage 13(can't spell that damn climb lol) of the giro and i would say great on the zoncolan but the following day on the gardeccia stage he was struggling big time and i don't blame it on the suicidal downhill attack at all, then later in the giro he dropped scarponi on Macugnaga only to be struggling big time the following day on finestre.
hopefully tho with age he can improve his recovery and since he still seams to be steadily improving each year i think he will.

it was a shame that he wasn't in top shape for the vuelta because he overestimated how tired he was from the giro and under raced himself form the vuelta(his own words) i think he would have beaten cobo tbh
 
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theyoungest

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cineteq said:
I agree with Evans and Contador, but Menchov??? La Vuelta 2010 for instance.
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Menchov absolutely slaughtered all the other GC contenders in the Tour time trial last year. And I mean literally slaughtered. Nibali can't do that, far from it.

In long time trials he is, as stated above, in the same league as Andy Schleck. Which isn't truly awful, just not something he can build on to reach the podium in the Tour.
 
Parrulo

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theyoungest said:
Menchov absolutely slaughtered all the other GC contenders in the Tour time trial last year. And I mean literally slaughtered. Nibali can't do that, far from it.

In long time trials he is, as stated above, in the same league as Andy Schleck. Which isn't truly awful, just not something he can build on to reach the podium in the Tour.
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i would say he is slightly better then andy because if the time trial has a technical part he can take advantage of it while andy just bleeds time on those sections.
 
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Nibali's TT'ing seems a bit overrated, he's not really any better than Andy, who is a reasonable TT'er but cops a lot of flak for it. Neither are ever going to win a GT from their TT though.
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What this Sandrgoper said.
 
El Pistolero

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Nibali:

The so called best descender in the world(by some at least).

Apparently his greatest forte is his consistency. He only has more bad days than most other GT contenders... Sporza commentators mention this a lot for some reason(that he has great consistency)...

He's called a decent TT specialist. But in reality even Andy is slightly better than him ;)

I agree with Dekker: the only thing where he isn't overrated are his climbing abilities.
 
Parrulo

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El Pistolero said:
Nibali:

The so called best descender in the world(by some at least).

Apparently his greatest forte is his consistency. He only has more bad days than most other GT contenders... Sporza commentators mention this a lot for some reason(that he has great consistency)...

He's called a decent TT specialist. But in reality even Andy is slightly better than him ;)

I agree with Dekker: the only thing where he isn't overrated are his climbing abilities.
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we all know that you think gilbert is a better descender no need to bring that discussion here.

and most people say his forte is being very good at limiting his losses, not consistency(tho i have seen people saying he is a very consistent rider indeed, but i honestly think they are mistaking consistency for limiting his losses)
 
El Pistolero

El Pistolero

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we all know that you think gilbert is a better descender no need to bring that discussion here.

and most people say his forte is being very good at limiting his losses, not consistency(tho i have seen people saying he is a very consistent rider indeed, but i honestly think they are mistaking consistency for limiting his losses)
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I think Cancellara and Hushovd are better descenders than Phil. They both have a weight advantage + can get over a hill
 
cineteq

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theyoungest said:
Menchov absolutely slaughtered all the other GC contenders in the Tour time trial last year. And I mean literally slaughtered. Nibali can't do that, far from it.
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Yup he slaughtered the rest of the GC guys by finishing 3:51 from the winner. #weak
 
gregrowlerson

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Nibali is consistently good at limiting his losses well - his bad days in the mountains generally are not that bad, and at his best he is not too far away from the absolute top climbers; see Zoncolan 2011. In TT's he is slightly better than Andy Schleck, but not on the level of Evans or Menchov as previously stated. He is definitely a contender to podium the TDF next year if he focuses on it. He wasn't even too far from a podium in 2009 and he is a much better rider now.
 
The Hitch

The Hitch

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theyoungest said:
Menchov absolutely slaughtered all the other GC contenders in the Tour time trial last year. And I mean literally slaughtered. Nibali can't do that, far from it.
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cineteq said:
Yup he slaughtered the rest of the GC guys by finishing 3:51 from the winner. #weak
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cineteq said:
Telling the facts is now called a troll?

I wonder if *that guy* knew the meaning of slaughter :rolleyes:
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Yes he slaughtered the gc guys.

The fact that he didn't slaughter the non gc guys is irrelevant.

We might need to take this a level down.

There are 20 apples in a bag. 10 green ones, 10 red ones.

I take all the green apples out of a bag but only take out 5 red apples. Does that mean I didn't take all the green apples out?

Think about it.
 
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Parrulo said:
hopefully tho with age he can improve his recovery and since he still seams to be steadily improving each year i think he will.

it was a shame that he wasn't in top shape for the vuelta because he overestimated how tired he was from the giro and under raced himself form the vuelta(his own words) i think he would have beaten cobo tbh
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He will improve. He just needs time. Nibali in top shape might have beaten the pure climber, Cobo but we saw last year how close it was between Nibali and Mosquera. He also crashed ( i know it was after we realised he had no hope of challenging- but it still would have affected a purely hypothetical in form Nibali ).
Also Froome would have beat Nibali and Cobo if not having to ride for Wiggins ( simple as that )
 
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