Nibali : i'm a symbol of a clean sport

[gillan1969]

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Is this the most full of **** doper ever ? Let's add some more cocky declarations:

Telling Cookson he should come to races more often.
Telling Aru to sue Henderson

no that's Froome...

he takes a swipe at science, common sense and logic every time he bothers the front of race...

 

[Miburo]

A guy with the name skytears calling out nibali for being a doper with cocky declarations.

This day can't get any better LMAO

 

[hrotha]

To be fair, I would say Nibali has easily reached Froome's level. Whether he's surpassed it is more debatable.

 

[SafeBet]

The irony is that only skyfans could think someone like Nibali or Horner is clean. I find it hard to belive there exist an italian cycling forum dedicated to dreaming big about Nibali, or a spanish forum where you will get banned if you think Contador ever doped.

You're overestimating italian fans.

 

[Eshnar]

The irony is that only skyfans could think someone like Nibali or Horner is clean. I find it hard to belive there exist an italian cycling forum dedicated to dreaming big about Nibali, or a spanish forum where you will get banned if you think Contador ever doped.

You're overestimating italian fans.

Maybe a bit, but it's true I never met any italian fan who blindly trust any rider. Ofc there are those who think they're clean or they hope they are, but all usually stay silent when they read news about Ferrari being seen in the team hotel or stuff like that.

 

[Benotti69]

The irony is that only skyfans could think someone like Nibali or Horner is clean. I find it hard to belive there exist an italian cycling forum dedicated to dreaming big about Nibali, or a spanish forum where you will get banned if you think Contador ever doped.

You're overestimating italian fans.

Italians dont give a fig about doping. For them it is part of the fabric of the sport.

 

[huge]

Italians dont give a fig about doping. For them it is part of the fabric of the sport.

We were missing some idiotic comment and here we go. Thanks, Benotti, you've earned your day. LOL

 

[ray j willings]

Doped or not Nibs bike skills are way better than any Sky rider. I remember him bombing down a descent in the Giro "pouring rain"
He comes off on a corner and gets straight back on his bike as though nothing happened. He's a monster bike handler, he has no fear.

 

[neineinei]

Italians dont give a fig about doping. For them it is part of the fabric of the sport.

We were missing some idiotic comment and here we go. Thanks, Benotti, you've earned your day. LOL

CONI has banned 18 amateur/gran fondo/masters racers already this year. Last year they banned ca 35.

NAS has been investigating U-23 team Team T-VB. The team was supposed to make money for a charity. To accomplish that they had team organized doping.

Doping is part of the fabric of cycling in Italy.

 

[Eshnar]

Italians dont give a fig about doping. For them it is part of the fabric of the sport.

We were missing some idiotic comment and here we go. Thanks, Benotti, you've earned your day. LOL

CONI has banned 18 amateur/gran fondo/masters racers already this year. Last year they banned ca 35.

NAS has been investigating U-23 team Team T-VB. The team was supposed to make money for a charity. To accomplish that they had team organized doping.

Doping is part of the fabric of cycling in Italy.

Apparently having one of the only federations who actually ban people is very bad for our reputation.

 

[huge]

Italians dont give a fig about doping. For them it is part of the fabric of the sport.

We were missing some idiotic comment and here we go. Thanks, Benotti, you've earned your day. LOL

CONI has banned 18 amateur/gran fondo/masters racers already this year. Last year they banned ca 35.

NAS has been investigating U-23 team Team T-VB. The team was supposed to make money for a charity. To accomplish that they had team organized doping.

Doping is part of the fabric of cycling in Italy.

I read that in a different way.

Doping until recently has been the fabric of cycling (still?).
Italy being one of the major cycling countries is naturally involved in doping issues.

At the same time, as your post shows, Italy is one of the few countries trying to do something about the issue, while there are others hiding their dirt under the rug and pretending they're clean.

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

Or another way to look at it is that Italy is known for being dirty and not wanting to get a reputation like italy (where even the politicians will cover for a clear doper and call it a conspiracy.
The Italians will pop a few top amateurs and others who probably aren't aware that taking hay fever medicine just before the Nova Colli (in the middle of pollen season) will get them busted, while they let disgraced former pro's win the grand fondos all over the country and let their top stars get away with systematized doping.
Just optics that's all it is.

 

[Eshnar]

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Or another way to look at it is that Italy is known for being dirty and not wanting to get a reputation like italy (where even the politicians will cover for a clear doper and call it a conspiracy.
The Italians will pop a few top amateurs and others who probably aren't aware that taking hay fever medicine just before the Nova Colli (in the middle of pollen season) will get them busted, while they let disgraced former pro's win the grand fondos all over the country and let their top stars get away with systematized doping.
Just optics that's all it is.

Sorry to bust your interesting theory, but we also self-popped totally random dudes like Basso just before he could win the tdf in 2006. Just sayin'

 

[Benotti69]

Italians dont give a fig about doping. For them it is part of the fabric of the sport.

We were missing some idiotic comment and here we go. Thanks, Benotti, you've earned your day. LOL

CONI has banned 18 amateur/gran fondo/masters racers already this year. Last year they banned ca 35.

NAS has been investigating U-23 team Team T-VB. The team was supposed to make money for a charity. To accomplish that they had team organized doping.

Doping is part of the fabric of cycling in Italy.

I read that in a different way.

Doping until recently has been the fabric of cycling (still?).
Italy being one of the major cycling countries is naturally involved in doping issues.

At the same time, as your post shows, Italy is one of the few countries trying to do something about the issue, while there are others hiding their dirt under the rug and pretending they're clean.

Yes the Italian authorities are doing something about some doping. Mostly cycling and Ferrari related athletes. But the same Italian authorities are very happy to ignore Football's problems. But what are the Italian cycling federation doing about it. The cycling Tifosi accept doping is part of the fabric of the sport. Pantani is proof of this.

But keep the insults coming. Need a laugh.

 

[Der Effe]

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Or another way to look at it is that Italy is known for being dirty and not wanting to get a reputation like italy (where even the politicians will cover for a clear doper and call it a conspiracy.
The Italians will pop a few top amateurs and others who probably aren't aware that taking hay fever medicine just before the Nova Colli (in the middle of pollen season) will get them busted, while they let disgraced former pro's win the grand fondos all over the country and let their top stars get away with systematized doping.
Just optics that's all it is.

Wow. Just wow. All that is missing is how those dirty Southern Europeans don't wanna work and steal all our hard earned moneyz.

 

[Netserk]

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Sorry to bust your interesting theory, but we also self-popped totally random dudes like Basso just before he could win the tdf in 2006. Just sayin'

Now it's been some time, but from how I remember it, it was the Spanish who got Ulle and Basso and then the Italians who took down Valverde as retaliation (simplified version).

 

[SafeBet]

Maybe a bit, but it's true I never met any italian fan who blindly trust any rider. Ofc there are those who think they're clean or they hope they are, but all usually stay silent when they read news about Ferrari being seen in the team hotel or stuff like that.

You've been luckier than me.

Italians dont give a fig about doping. For them it is part of the fabric of the sport.

This is actually very innacurate.
The sport has lost plenty of fans in the past 15 years and mostly because of doping. Most of my friends wouldn't watch a cycling race since they all dope.

 

[The Hitch]

Yeah but don't those same people watch calcio? Because, that's not being anti doping, that's being an idiot.

 

[Eshnar]

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Sorry to bust your interesting theory, but we also self-popped totally random dudes like Basso just before he could win the tdf in 2006. Just sayin'

Now it's been some time, but from how I remember it, it was the Spanish who got Ulle and Basso and then the Italians who took down Valverde as retaliation (simplified version).

The Spanish didn't got anyone. They did the Op Puerto, but didn't bring anybody down on their own. Coni made Basso and Scarponi confess, otherwise the evidences were not enough to pop them

 

[Netserk]

Basso only confessed way later, right? When the Tour began and he wasn't on the start line, he hadn't confessed yet? As said, it's a long time ago, so I'm probably not fully correct, but that is how I remember it.

 

[Benotti69]

Maybe a bit, but it's true I never met any italian fan who blindly trust any rider. Ofc there are those who think they're clean or they hope they are, but all usually stay silent when they read news about Ferrari being seen in the team hotel or stuff like that.

You've been luckier than me.

Italians dont give a fig about doping. For them it is part of the fabric of the sport.

This is actually very innacurate.
The sport has lost plenty of fans in the past 15 years and mostly because of doping. Most of my friends wouldn't watch a cycling race since they all dope.

Yet the climbs on Il Giro will still be full.

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

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Wow. Just wow. All that is missing is how those dirty Southern Europeans don't wanna work and steal all our hard earned moneyz. [/quote]


Really intimations of racism is that what your going with. You complete idiot !!!

I am the least racist person you will meet and there is absolutely nothing about the southern europeans that I dislike (apart from certain governments and some of the less financially responsible parts of their economies.)

However as for cycling and someone who has ridden extensively all over the continent I can say categorically that the italians are not minded to worry about cheating at all.
I rode the nova colli many times and rode in the elite wave on numerous times, The stories of the drug use that would sweep through Cessanatico the week before were quite interesting. Also on a different matter unrelated to PEDS the Italian teams would place 5 or 6 of the second tier male riders with their best female riders and would gather around and physically push her up the climbs to try to win the overall female category.
This was seen as team work and not blatant cheating.

Then we could look at the football scene as others have mentioned.

However I am not anti italian as I think the UK has a worse drug problem than italy in sports driven by the fact their is at the moment more money in sport in the UK than there is in Italy and this drives the greed for results and the related money. If you were to look at english rugby, football, athletics and cycling I would say we are overall worse than the italians.

But my point still stands, just like the UCI and all the governing bodies, they will do enough to be seen to be doing the right thing but will never go after the major stars of the day while they are at their peak.

 

[Eshnar]

Yet the climbs on Il Giro will still be full.

You don't know what "full" means. And go to any italian news website and see in what position cycling news are.

viewtopic.php?p=1692488#p1692488
Yeah I just looked it up - Basso was suspended by CSC before the Tour. However, not banned. He had even signed for Discovery for 2007, but then Coni opened a procedure about Puerto and made him confess. So no, they didn't prevent him to win the Tour, but they're still the ones who bothered to ban him.

 

[Eshnar]

Re: Re:

Wow. Just wow. All that is missing is how those dirty Southern Europeans don't wanna work and steal all our hard earned moneyz.


Really intimations of racism is that what your going with. You complete idiot !!!

I am the least racist person you will meet and there is absolutely nothing about the southern europeans that I dislike (apart from certain governments and some of the less financially responsible parts of their economies.)

However as for cycling and someone who has ridden extensively all over the continent I can say categorically that the italians are not minded to worry about cheating at all.
I rode the nova colli many times and rode in the elite wave on numerous times, The stories of the drug use that would sweep through Cessanatico the week before were quite interesting. Also on a different matter unrelated to PEDS the Italian teams would place 5 or 6 of the second tier male riders with their best female riders and would gather around and physically push her up the climbs to try to win the overall female category.
This was seen as team work and not blatant cheating.

Then we could look at the football scene as others have mentioned.

However I am not anti italian as I think the UK has a worse drug problem than italy in sports driven by the fact their is at the moment more money in sport in the UK than there is in Italy and this drives the greed for results and the related money. If you were to look at english rugby, football, athletics and cycling I would say we are overall worse than the italians.

But my point still stands, just like the UCI and all the governing bodies, they will do enough to be seen to be doing the right thing but will never go after the major stars of the day while they are at their peak.

If that's you point, perhaps you should have just said that sportsmen are dirty and federations don't want to be apparent and avoid the obvious nationality argument.

 

[TheGame]

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Then we could look at the football scene as others have mentioned.

However I am not anti italian as I think the UK has a worse drug problem than italy in sports driven by the fact their is at the moment more money in sport in the UK than there is in Italy and this drives the greed for results and the related money. If you were to look at english rugby, football, athletics and cycling I would say we are overall worse than the italians.

Football? How many Italian teams charged, fined, relegated over match fixing, betting scandals.. teams stripped of titles, relegated, fined. (Champions league qualification brings in huge amounts of money)

British Football, who, Bruce Grobellar?

If you are trying to say that Italian football isnt full of corruption and greed as some sort of example you are barking very much up the wrong tree.