Nibali's sticky bottle

[hfer07]

....................definitely not Nibali's year ...........................

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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won't be many riders or ds's left by the end of la vuelta if they're consistent

If the get caught on a video doing the same thing they will probably do the same! Not sure why you are surprised.

it happens all the time. During tour de france every day there are atleast 5 guys that get fined for this. 50 swiss francs plus 10 secs penalty. ANd now suddenly they throw a guy out of the race. Just can't believe it.

Its plain and simple arbitrariness. Happened to Porte (Giro), Sepulveda (TdF), now Nibali (Vuelta). Otoh, they let sprinters in them races en mass, even if they miss the official time cut. What a disgrace this inconsistent dumb nitpickers are. The level of incompetency they display is beyond belief and normal common sense... And I havnt even mentionmed they (nitpickers) cant stop real cheaters (clinic stuff). Again: Watta disgrace...

 

[huge]

What to say? I was just shocked when I saw the images. He is literally dragged away from the bunch. Sad to say, but fully deserved punishment.
I think he totally lost it today... holding onto a team car like that? What the heck was he thinking?
Hopefully the guy has learned a lesson. The hard way. No doubts about that But he is still a great rider and I hope he will manage to put this 2015 fully behind his back and start over... perhaps in a different team... as far as possible from Astana.

PS: the joke about Aru informing the commissaries was a piece of genius I started to laugh like an idiot!
PPS: karma is really a ***... so much for Nibali talking about Froome DQed from the Giro... what goes around comes around, I'm afraid!

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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Too rigorous.
Nibali should've been kept in the race, but without the GC chances, DS should've been thrown out.
And a heavy fine, of course.

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And I'm convinced there's more in this decision than just a penalty for this act.

Politics paying back at/to Astana. The real reason behind this major mess...

 

[StannisBaratheon]

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Disqualification is way too much, should have given him 10 minutes penalty as someone said, and that should solve the whole GC dilemma. Let him go for stages or at least help his teammates. Stupid Vuelta organisers screwed up in two consecutive days.

It's not in the rules for them to do that. As was said in the other thread; if you give time penalties for holding on to a car; half the peloton - those out of GC contention - would do it on mountain stages.

They already do it, but it is not seen on the cameras.
The rules are as dumb as the Vuelta organisers, and frankly they already didn't give a damn about rules when they screwed up the TTT in day one.
It is a disgrace these guys are part of a Grand Tour staff. Even the whole saga of Stelvio in last year's Giro looks absolutely normal comparing to what it is happening in Vuelta.

I agree that organisation of GT's has been poor in recent years. But I don't see what that has to do with the organisers applying the rules correctly in the case of pretty blatant cheating, as they did today.

It would have been more ludicrous to make up an arbitary 5 minute penalty outside the rules.

As I said, the rules are dumb and they already didn't respect them one day before.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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[quote="yespatterns"

“It happens in the Tour, I’ve seen it 1000 times. Try to find me an honest person in the peloton. Any sports director would have done the same thing to save their leader.”

No they wouldn't. They would have given him a bike immediately and got the whole team back to support him and get him back on.[/quote]

And you can prove that with anything else but your words?

 

[pastronef]

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Hahahahah wasn't it Nibali who made the comment about Froome being thrown out of the Giro, because of the same thing? In a pre vuelta interview.

Yeah it's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is knife.

ahahah well put

 

[hrotha]

So now, enforcing the rules that say you shouldn't allow riders to hang on their cars is "nitpicking". Lel.

"He won the race!"
"But he took a train to the finish line."
"Nitpicking."

 

[hrotha]

"I won!"
"You came 71st actually"
"NITPICKING!"

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

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Politics paying back at/to Astana. The real reason behind this major mess...

Wow, me agreeing with the Foxy, it is possible...

Nevertheless a right desicion by the marshals, this kinda behaviour is for losers like ... who want to get in the time cut at the Mortirolo stage...

I found it very funny, lets leave it at that. If he should be excluded by the rules he should but he should at least get a reward for being one of the most funny cyclists around. Next time check for the cameras Groucho!

 

[DFA123]

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“It happens in the Tour, I’ve seen it 1000 times. Try to find me an honest person in the peloton. Any sports director would have done the same thing to save their leader.”

No they wouldn't. They would have given him a bike immediately and got the whole team back to support him and get him back on.

And you can prove that with anything else but your words?

It happens all the time in Grand Tours. Leader crashes, the whole team waits, he gets a bike as a priority if needed, then the whole team paces him back to the peloton.

They don't abandon him, leave him searching for a bike for over a minute, then leave him alone towing a large group, then finally allow him to hold on to a speeding car for a couple of hundred metres.

 

[Wattie]

The more i look at the footage the more credible the idea he might have been trying to get disqualified; it was so blatant, getting towed away from a bunch like that, he cannot seriously have imagined no one would complain or protest. You can even see the rider behind him sit up in amazement.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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So now, enforcing the rules that say you shouldn't allow riders to hang on their cars is "nitpicking". Lel.

"He won the race!"
"But he took a train to the finish line."
"Nitpicking."

Great comparision.
And the next post too btw...

 

[Flamin]

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10 minutes penalty meant he was out of GC so that would have been enough for me. Like I said in the race thread, it's not like this 10 seconds hanging onto the car would have given him any sort of benefit for the upcoming stages whatsoever when he goes hunting for stages. Get him out of the GC and go on. If he'd won a stage later in the race, it would be fair and square.

On the other hand, I understand the decision to make a statement. It was just too obvious. I'm sure nothing would have happened if Nibali was on his own, but there were other riders in his wheel and he rode away just like that

Allegedly, it was more than 10 seconds. A lot more.

Just rewatched it. You're right, they only filmed it for a few seconds but judged by how immense the gap is between him and the group he rode away from in such a short time span, it must have been ridiculous. Well, then I change my opinion about the penalty.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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“It happens in the Tour, I’ve seen it 1000 times. Try to find me an honest person in the peloton. Any sports director would have done the same thing to save their leader.”

No they wouldn't. They would have given him a bike immediately and got the whole team back to support him and get him back on.

And you can prove that with anything else but your words?

It happens all the time in Grand Tours. Leader crashes, the whole team waits, he gets a bike as a priority if needed, then the whole team paces him back to the peloton.

They don't abandon him, leave him searching for a bike for over a minute, then leave him alone towing a large group, then finally allow him to hold on to a speeding car for a couple of hundred metres.

No, but they would speed up behind a car drafting. Happens all the time... with cams on it or not... The rule book is a felt 1.000 pages, and yet they dont have a 10 min penalty in there? But had it back in 1979? Sorry, dont buy that BS... Especially not when x sprinters finish OOT in a GT and yet are left in the race. Inconsistent nitpickers at its "finest". Level of incompetence reached far and beyond... Poltics meet sports.

 

[willbick]

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“It happens in the Tour, I’ve seen it 1000 times. Try to find me an honest person in the peloton. Any sports director would have done the same thing to save their leader.”

No they wouldn't. They would have given him a bike immediately and got the whole team back to support him and get him back on.

And you can prove that with anything else but your words?

It happens all the time in Grand Tours. Leader crashes, the whole team waits, he gets a bike as a priority if needed, then the whole team paces him back to the peloton.

They don't abandon him, leave him searching for a bike for over a minute, then leave him alone towing a large group, then finally allow him to hold on to a speeding car for a couple of hundred metres.

No, but they would speed up behind a car drafting. Happens all the time... with cams on it or not... The rule book is a felt 1.000 pages, and yet they dont have a 10 min penalty in there? But had it back in 1979? Sorry, dont buy that BS... Especially not when x sprinters finish OOT in a GT and yet are left in the race. Inconsistent nitpickers at its "finest". Level of incompetence reached far and beyond... Poltics meet sports.

Lets just think this through for a minute. If they were to apply a 10min GC time penalty to any rider who gets towed by a car then every non GC rider in the peleton would be doing it constantly lol!!!

 

[Noodles]

Performance enhancing drags have no place in cycling.

 

[hrotha]

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Great comparision.
And the next post too btw...

It's not a comparison, it's reductio ad absurdum.

 

[sir fly]

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Performance enhancing drags have no place in cycling.

A nice spell.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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Great comparision.
And the next post too btw...

It's not a comparison, it's reductio ad absurdum.

Its not a "reductio ad absurdum", since its not applicable...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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[quote="
No they wouldn't. They would have given him a bike immediately and got the whole team back to support him and get him back on.

And you can prove that with anything else but your words?

It happens all the time in Grand Tours. Leader crashes, the whole team waits, he gets a bike as a priority if needed, then the whole team paces him back to the peloton.

They don't abandon him, leave him searching for a bike for over a minute, then leave him alone towing a large group, then finally allow him to hold on to a speeding car for a couple of hundred metres.

No, but they would speed up behind a car drafting. Happens all the time... with cams on it or not... The rule book is a felt 1.000 pages, and yet they dont have a 10 min penalty in there? But had it back in 1979? Sorry, dont buy that BS... Especially not when x sprinters finish OOT in a GT and yet are left in the race. Inconsistent nitpickers at its "finest". Level of incompetence reached far and beyond... Poltics meet sports.[/quote]


Lets just think this through for a minute. If they were to apply a 10min GC time penalty to any rider who gets towed by a car then every non GC rider in the peleton would be doing it constantly lol!!![/quote]

LOL.. LOLZ... Lets assume a rider like Porte gets attached 2 mins for a bike change, would a rider placed 128 th care? You see? You see? ... Can always find something to excuse...

 

[willbick]

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[quote="
No they wouldn't. They would have given him a bike immediately and got the whole team back to support him and get him back on.

And you can prove that with anything else but your words?

It happens all the time in Grand Tours. Leader crashes, the whole team waits, he gets a bike as a priority if needed, then the whole team paces him back to the peloton.

They don't abandon him, leave him searching for a bike for over a minute, then leave him alone towing a large group, then finally allow him to hold on to a speeding car for a couple of hundred metres.

No, but they would speed up behind a car drafting. Happens all the time... with cams on it or not... The rule book is a felt 1.000 pages, and yet they dont have a 10 min penalty in there? But had it back in 1979? Sorry, dont buy that BS... Especially not when x sprinters finish OOT in a GT and yet are left in the race. Inconsistent nitpickers at its "finest". Level of incompetence reached far and beyond... Poltics meet sports.

Lets just think this through for a minute. If they were to apply a 10min GC time penalty to any rider who gets towed by a car then every non GC rider in the peleton would be doing it constantly lol!!![/quote]

LOL.. LOLZ... Lets assume a rider like Porte gets attached 2 mins for a bike change, would a rider placed 128 th care? You see? You see? ... Can always find something to excuse...[/quote]

Er... This makes little sense.

 

[NairoQ]

Of course it does, a yellow card in soccer bothers a player who already has one more than it bothers another player.

Penalties are never the same for everyone, and 10 minutes would've prevented any gc contenders from doing something like this in the near future (which is what we all want...). Who cares that nr 147 hangs on a team car and is a little less tired, taking Nibali out of the race just partially ruins it. Own mistake, but crappy punishment. Does anyone even believe this would've happened to a Spaniard?

 

[jaylew]

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won't be many riders or ds's left by the end of la vuelta if they're consistent

If the get caught on a video doing the same thing they will probably do the same! Not sure why you are surprised.

it happens all the time. During tour de france every day there are atleast 5 guys that get fined for this. 50 swiss francs plus 10 secs penalty. ANd now suddenly they throw a guy out of the race. Just can't believe it.

The fact that you can't seem to recognize this wasn't the same type of thing we typically see is amazing. There's a reason that despite the fact that most on this forum are Nibali fans, almost no one agrees with your opinion that it only warranted a 10 second penalty.

 

[StannisBaratheon]

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Of course it does, a yellow card in soccer bothers a player who already has one more than it bothers another player.

Penalties are never the same for everyone, and 10 minutes would've prevented any gc contenders from doing something like this in the near future (which is what we all want...). Who cares that nr 147 hangs on a team car and is a little less tired, taking Nibali out of the race just partially ruins it. Own mistake, but crappy punishment. Does anyone even believe this would've happened to a Spaniard?

Of course not, if Valverde was in the same situation, the Vuelta organisers would have brought him back in the peloton using a special TGV