No Needles

[alpine_chav]

I'm sure they will find 101 real medical situations which require the use of a needle and suddenly there will be a huge upswing in the number of cyclists with these ailments.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

A lot like the riders who suffer from ADHD, manic depression, epilepsy, and 'allergies'.

 

[blackcat]

That was nice, Dave.

To the OP: I think you're remembering the Garmin (JV) release as to the 'no needle' policy for that team. The UCI is certainly not anti-needle.

We've been needling them endlessly.

only policy they have is "plausible deniability".

Wonder if Thor's mom is gonna drive the camper van where he eats his norse god raw fish after stages.

Unless u got your athletes under a lock and key, you just dont know if they are off to get a new fandangled Japanese acupuncture using hypodermic needles.

 

[Benotti69]

......
Hein Verdrggen, former head of the UCI, added, "Cycling has always been at the forefront of supporting doping and I am proud of my personal appointee as he takes our battle to the next level."

Dave.

ne'er a truer word spoken! 'ey Hein!

 

[Oldman]

A lot like the riders who suffer from ADHD, manic depression, epilepsy, and 'allergies'.

I got one, maybe two..uh what maybe two things on the list.
Needles and powders don't help. What?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I got one, maybe two..uh what maybe two things on the list.
Needles and powders don't help. What?

Remember this

According to the AFLD, the drug sitagliptin, used by diabetics when injecting insulin, and valpromide, an anti-convulsant prescribed in the treatment of epilepsy and manic depression, featured in a “surprising medicinal arsenal”.

Astana, the Kazakhstan-based team that included the winner, Alberto Contador, and third-placed Lance Armstrong in this summer’s Tour de France, have denied that they are being investigated, along with other teams, over the seizure of medical equipment such as syringes and drips during the race.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-France-drug-investigation-after-seizure.html

My guess is they will have to be a lot more careful in getting rid of the evidence.

But the question is how do you police it? Are they going to be checking Dertie's **** to look for needle marks?

 

[Cimber]

So they want to promote "natural restitution", but this new policy will actually tend to push riders towards doping since they will be even more tired in the 3 weeks races. So to compensate and to help ensure that natural restitution is enough I think they should introduce a 3rd rest day in the GTs.

 

[Anonymous]

Remember this

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-France-drug-investigation-after-seizure.html

My guess is they will have to be a lot more careful in getting rid of the evidence.

But the question is how do you police it? Are they going to be checking Dertie's **** to look for needle marks?

I think what it does is remove the need for proof of what was actually injected. The french police have those needles from two years ago but havnt been able to do anything with them. Under the new rules, the team will get thrown out of the race just for having needles.

One of the best things the uci have tried to do. Be interesting to see how the riders get around this one, which no doubt they will. And theirin lies the problem

 

[veganrob]

So they want to promote "natural restitution", but this new policy will actually tend to push riders towards doping since they will be even more tired in the 3 weeks races. So to compensate and to help ensure that natural restitution is enough I think they should introduce a 3rd rest day in the GTs.

Not necessarily. The riders will just have to pace themselves better. The speeds would be slower.

Of course that is only if there were no cheats.

 

[Oldman]

Not necessarily. The riders will just have to pace themselves better. The speeds would be slower.

Of course that is only if there were no cheats.

You'd hope that pacing alone would allow someone to finish a three week GT. When you look at course profiles and distances I'm not sure that's altogether possible as a real race but would be interesting to watch.

 

[JPM London]

That just gave me a conspiratorial thought:

Doesn't this present the possibility of "planted evidence"?

Drop a needle, make a call, eliminate the competition.

Yes, because over the last 20 years it's been completely impossible to plant - say - a vial of EPO for example... Oh no, I see - the EPO would have been long used before anyone had time to catch them with it...

I'm sure they will find 101 real medical situations which require the use of a needle and suddenly there will be a huge upswing in the number of cyclists with these ailments.

It has already been around the team doctors for comments and the suggestion actually comes from the teams - or at least from that anti-doping group.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I think what it does is remove the need for proof of what was actually injected. The french police have those needles from two years ago but havnt been able to do anything with them. Under the new rules, the team will get thrown out of the race just for having needles.

One of the best things the uci have tried to do. Be interesting to see how the riders get around this one, which no doubt they will. And theirin lies the problem

Maybe setting the pretext for some raids?

 

[Oldman]

Yes, because over the last 20 years it's been completely impossible to plant - say - a vial of EPO for example... Oh no, I see - the EPO would have been long used before anyone had time to catch them with it...



It has already been around the team doctors for comments and the suggestion actually comes from the teams - or at least from that anti-doping group.

One check of the DNA on the needle would disqualify it...unless someone had an axe to grind ala' some of the baseball trainers.

 

[Granville57]

One check of the DNA on the needle would disqualify it...unless someone had an axe to grind ala' some of the baseball trainers.

But that's just it: they wouldn't need DNA. It wouldn't matter if paraphernalia had been used or not, or by whom. They're not supposed to have it in the first place.

Just the possession of objects used or fit for an injection is presumed to constitute evidence of a violation of the regulations.

The specific wording seems to give the authorities a comfortable margin to work within. Plus, it's not just one rider that would take the fall:

If a violation occurs at a race, the whole team of the licence holder involved may be excluded from the race.

Interesting times ahead.

 

[Oldman]

But that's just it: they wouldn't need DNA. It wouldn't matter if paraphernalia had been used or not, or by whom. They're not supposed to have it in the first place.


The specific wording seems to give the authorities a comfortable margin to work within. Plus, it's not just one rider that would take the fall:


Interesting times ahead.

Again, there are forensic ways to prove something isn't yours if it's not like old-school fingerprinting. If bags of syringes start showing up with no signs of human handling it'll be hard to define it as evidence of much.

 

[patricknd]

So does that mean no more magic "iron" shots?

 

[Polish]

The "No Needle" policy is for show - a "perception is reality" stunt.

C'mon, if a rider decides to cheat by using HGH/EPO/ETC etc the fact that the needles are illegal will not stop him.

"OMG, I can't cheat because I'm not allowed to use needles anymore"

The riders will just need to be even more careful hiding their needles duh.
Or dispose of them in another Team's trash bin...

 

[flicker]

So does that mean no more magic "iron" shots?

I don't like the tone of that mr.: BANNED!

 

[Polish]

So does that mean no more magic "iron" shots?

The No Needle Policy will actually be bad for the rider's health.

Valid uses, such as for iron shots, will be banned.

Hopefully, they will be liberal with the issuance of TUE's for rider's health issues...
The last thing we need is for the Anti-Doping Dog&Pony Show to actually hurt the rider's health

 

[patricknd]

The "No Needle" policy is for show - a "perception is reality" stunt.

C'mon, if a rider decides to cheat by using HGH/EPO/ETC etc the fact that the needles are illegal will not stop him.

"OMG, I can't cheat because I'm not allowed to use needles anymore"

The riders will just need to be even more careful hiding their needles duh.
Or dispose of them in another Team's trash bin...

That's probably happened before (other team's trash) I bet

 

[flicker]

What a stupid rule a certain Mr. Alexi Grewal has already shown us other ways, a little hatha yoga excercise a cube of butter some no doze( of course anything can be substituted.), a little pain not to bad and va voom.

 

[D-Queued]

The No Needle Policy will actually be bad for the rider's health.

Valid uses, such as for iron shots, will be banned.

Hopefully, they will be liberal with the issuance of TUE's for rider's health issues...
The last thing we need is for the Anti-Doping Dog&Pony Show to actually hurt the rider's health

How can they compete without Actovegin? This is puts the rider's health in jeopardy.

Dave.

 

[Oldman]

The "No Needle" policy is for show - a "perception is reality" stunt.

C'mon, if a rider decides to cheat by using HGH/EPO/ETC etc the fact that the needles are illegal will not stop him.

"OMG, I can't cheat because I'm not allowed to use needles anymore"

The riders will just need to be even more careful hiding their needles duh.
Or dispose of them in another Team's trash bin...

No doubt about the cheaters. They'll probably have Tandoor ovens on the team vans now. "What's the wood-fired oven for?" "The riders like flatbread, of course. It's part of our healthy eating initiative and we use only rice flour."

 

[philsinclair]

No needles .. grrrrrrr

Interesting David Millar's comments before the Giro, (which I support). How the hell are they going to enforce a no needles policy? I heard that in the Tour de Romandie, a number of hotels had waste bins full of used syringes. One must assume that was for pain killers, as there were numerous accidents , or riders needed something to aid recovery ….

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

"When needles are outlawed, only outlaws will have needles."

Susan