Now that's dedication...

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Dedication is spending 5 hours on a turbo trainer, rather than taking silly photos in conditions no useful training could be done.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Come on, this post reeks of extreme fanboyism... you make it too easy for the Hitches and Mellow Velos of this world

And if you took things less seriously it would be awesome.
Can't you see I'm just openly provoking people?

Thought it was obvious.

 

[The Hitch]

And if you took things less seriously it would be awesome.
Can't you see I'm just openly provoking people?

Thought it was obvious.

Lets see. You say Gesink is the best. We say he isnt and point to the facts.

You say Gesink is the best. We say he cant tt. You say he can.

Where exactly is this provocation getting you?

Sounds to me like somebody who has just realised they are the **** of a joke going "Huh, oh, OH! oh yeah, right.

Yeah!. i knew that all along I was just playing along. In fact, i knew they would say that so the joke is on them. Hah, suckers!!! "

 

[The Hitch]

And if you took things less seriously it would be awesome.
Can't you see I'm just openly provoking people?

Thought it was obvious.

That would be more believable if your alleged provocation was getting you somewhere.

Lets see.

Ruben: Gesink is the best
Rest of the forum: He cant tt
Ruben : Yes he can. Your mum.

Wow, your really getting them. Suckers!!!

You go girl !!!

What it seems like to me is someone who has just realised they are the **** of a joke going,

"Huh? Oh, oh OH!!! Right. Yeah i knew that. Actually the jokes on them because i was provoking them "

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I can't have been joking more obviously with the comment he would win by a large margin

And in the discussion about Gesink's TT during the Tour I used facts, solid facts from previous results, to back up my point.

At least when I discuss, I use facts and figures. Unlike you, who uses a million smiles and blowing things up to ridicolous proportion. Even pulling words out of the context and blow them up, to 'prove' something.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Just to clarify, Prior to the Tour de Suisse 2010. Facts about Gesink's TT:

FACT - He was junior national champion ITT
FACT - He was top 10 at the worlds ITT Verona 2004 Juniors
FACT - He never did worse than c.a. 35th place in long 40km+ tt's as a professional when in good form.
FACT - When in 2008/2009, he even did a top 10 in Tirreno 35+km TT, and just outside top 10 in Dauphine +40km TT. Also Olympics TT top 10.
Thus as conclusion
it's a FACT that prior to the TdS TT 2010, there was no reason at all to assume Gesink can't TT. Unless you can show me some proof otherwise. And don't bother coming in with prologues or 10km tt's.

Now you go. Girl

 

[The Hitch]

I can't have been joking more obviously with the comment he would win by a large margin

And in the discussion about Gesink's TT during the Tour I used facts, solid facts from previous results, to back up my point.

All the facts in the world dont change the fact that he cant tt

. Unlike you, who uses a million smiles and blowing things up to ridicolous proportion.

Look at the 2 terms that i have made bold. Study them carefully and try to guess what it is that is wrong with your sentence.

If that doesnt work try looking at what you said like ths

Unlike you, who uses a million smiles and blowing things up to ridicolous proportion

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Answer the facts than return. This doesn't work

All the facts in the world dont change the fact that he cant tt

That can only be said when you have facts. You have none, like I stated in previous post. Before TdS there was no reason at all to assume he can't Tt.
Answer that, and then I shall return to you. Otherwise this topic is dead. If you can't provide anything against it

 

[The Hitch]

Its not Gesinks tt im discussing its this:

Dekker T claims hes not being wound up but that he is provoking others.

And if you took things less seriously it would be awesome.
Can't you see I'm just openly provoking people?

Thought it was obvious.

The Hitch says he doesnt believe dekker t, and lightly makes fun of Dekker Ts tendency to get very sensitive about Gesink, particularly his tting.

That would be more believable if your alleged provocation was getting you somewhere.

+ a joke or 2.

Dekker T immediately proves my point by getting his panties in a twist and listing Gesinks tt results and some facts.

Just to clarify, Prior to the Tour de Suisse 2010. Facts about Gesink's TT:

FACT - He was junior national champion ITT
FACT - He was top 10 at the worlds ITT Verona 2004 Juniors
FACT - He never did worse than c.a. 35th place in long 40km+ tt's as a professional when in good form.
FACT - When in 2008/2009, he even did a top 10 in Tirreno 35+km TT, and just outside top 10 in Dauphine +40km TT. Also Olympics TT top 10.
Thus as conclusion
it's a FACT that prior to the TdS TT 2010, there was no reason at all to assume Gesink can't TT. Unless you can show me some proof otherwise. And don't bother coming in with prologues or 10km tt's.

Now you go. Girl

Relax Ruben. its Christmas


Im just winding you up.
I know your an expert on Gesink and everything. Tood bad that expertise doesnt stretch to races that dont involve Gesink (cough) Vuelta

 

[nobilis]

I don't think even many Scandinavians really think too much about cycling in that kind of weather. It's perfect for the likes of Ole Einar Bjorndalen and Tarjei Boe though.

I'm a big fan of Biathlon as well. Apparently, Biathletes and Cross country skiers have the highest VO2max.
Hushovd and other Scandinavian cyclists do lots of cross country in the off-season too

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I'm a big fan of Biathlon as well. Apparently, Biathletes and Cross country skiers have the highest VO2max.
Hushovd and other Scandinavian cyclists do lots of cross country in the off-season too

They also have some of the same problems as cycling - somebody was pulled out of a meet recently for a high hct. But biathlon (and to a lesser extent XC and Nordic Combined) are the main reason I'm not all frenetic about waiting for the cycling season to start.

There was an article on Velonews today about how Fabian Wegmann spends his off-season XC skiing, and of course the Germans do enjoy their biathlon a lot (though not enough to put a full strength team in the relay at Pokljuka, obviously...), so it's not just the Scandinavians either.

 

[euanli]

I would love Scotland to be constantly snowed over to take up XC Skiing. Looks good fun. Maybe a few years at this rate.

Anyway you can get decent training on a mtb in the snow. I did 90 minutes Z2 this morning out on snowy singletrack this morning not going much faster than 6mph because of the deep snow. Hardly felt like any time at all compared to the same time on the turbo.

That said, I think the picture was taken for dramatisation. Doubt he was actually cycling in that.

 

[nobilis]

There was an article on Velonews today about how Fabian Wegmann spends his off-season XC skiing, and of course the Germans do enjoy their biathlon a lot (though not enough to put a full strength team in the relay at Pokljuka, obviously...), so it's not just the Scandinavians either.

Yeah but apparently, this year it will be all about the Norwegian team (To a lesser extent Austrian, Russian or French)

 

[nobilis]

But biathlon (and to a lesser extent XC and Nordic Combined) are the main reason I'm not all frenetic about waiting for the cycling season to start.

Ski Jumping too. And you have the four hills starting next week.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Yeah but apparently, this year it will be all about the Norwegian team (To a lesser extent Austrian, Russian or French)

Norwegians put out a subpar team in the Pokljuka relay too - but then again it was a mixed relay, and while Norway have definitely got the top strength in depth on the men's side of things with Bjorndalen, Svendsen, Boe, Berger, Os and more, they aren't as strong on the women's side of things, though they were 3rd in the relay at Hochfilzen (thanks mostly to a storming final leg by Tora Berger and an uncharacteristically poor shooting effort from Marie-Laure Brunet). On the women's side of things Germany have probably got the best team even despite losing Hauswald, Wilhelm and Beck last offseason; the French are strong on both sides, but both Jay and Martin Fourcade were disappointing in the relay at Pokljuka.

When it comes to the men's individual events though, it's hard to see a situation where Norway doesn't carry away most of the trophies.

 

[nobilis]

Norwegians put out a subpar team in the Pokljuka relay too - but then again it was a mixed relay, and while Norway have definitely got the top strength in depth on the men's side of things with Bjorndalen, Svendsen, Boe, Berger, Os and more, they aren't as strong on the women's side of things, though they were 3rd in the relay at Hochfilzen (thanks mostly to a storming final leg by Tora Berger and an uncharacteristically poor shooting effort from Marie-Laure Brunet). On the women's side of things Germany have probably got the best team even despite losing Hauswald, Wilhelm and Beck last offseason; the French are strong on both sides, but both Jay and Martin Fourcade were disappointing in the relay at Pokljuka.

When it comes to the men's individual events though, it's hard to see a situation where Norway doesn't carry away most of the trophies.

I used to like the Russian team (Tchoudov, Tcherezov, Ustuygov, Shipulin and Kruglov) but not doing great this year, not individually nor collectively, plus doping is a very common issue there (Iarochenko, Pyleva, Iourieva, and many XC skiers.
As for the french, i'm also disappointed with the older Fourcade brother, Simon, inexistent this year.
Anyway, I feel it became a Biathlon thread, the moderators won't like that

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Very true, don't really recall even seeing Simon Fourcade this year though I'm sure he's been about, just hasn't grabbed any attention. I'm very impressed by their young women's team though - Brunet's uncharacteristic meltdown in the Hochfilzen relay aside they've all been incredibly consistent with the rifle. Anyway, as you say, this has gone some way off topic, probably on a 'normal' day when mods would be about more vigilantly we'd have been nudged back away from biathlon by now.

 

[nobilis]

Very true, don't really recall even seeing Simon Fourcade this year though I'm sure he's been about, just hasn't grabbed any attention. I'm very impressed by their young women's team though - Brunet's uncharacteristic meltdown in the Hochfilzen relay aside they've all been incredibly consistent with the rifle. Anyway, as you say, this has gone some way off topic, probably on a 'normal' day when mods would be about more vigilantly we'd have been nudged back away from biathlon by now.

Yeah they found excellent replacements to Bailly and Becaert.
Anyway, we can discuss nordic sports in the cafe if you want, maybe not today, going to sleep, i have an early ride tomorrow.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I can't have been joking more obviously with the comment he would win by a large margin

And in the discussion about Gesink's TT during the Tour I used facts, solid facts from previous results, to back up my point.

At least when I discuss, I use facts and figures. Unlike you, who uses a million smiles and blowing things up to ridicolous proportion. Even pulling words out of the context and blow them up, to 'prove' something.

When I saw this post quoted by another poster I thought you were reffering to my post.

Just to clarify, Prior to the Tour de Suisse 2010. Facts about Gesink's TT:

FACT - He was junior national champion ITT
FACT - He was top 10 at the worlds ITT Verona 2004 Juniors
FACT - He never did worse than c.a. 35th place in long 40km+ tt's as a professional when in good form.
FACT - When in 2008/2009, he even did a top 10 in Tirreno 35+km TT, and just outside top 10 in Dauphine +40km TT. Also Olympics TT top 10.
Thus as conclusion
it's a FACT that prior to the TdS TT 2010, there was no reason at all to assume Gesink can't TT. Unless you can show me some proof otherwise. And don't bother coming in with prologues or 10km tt's.

Now you go. Girl

Who was Gesink against in those national tt championships?
So it is evidence he is a good time trialist because he came 8th in a junior tt WC and the only person of significance that beat him was kreuziger. The rest of the riders aren't of a high calibre.
In 2008/2009 can you please list the results he got in the tt - even the ones he was not in form?


The Hitch is good at winding people up and he is an excellent ACF Mafia member!

 

[pmtg99]

Back to topic.
If Gesink truely did go ahead and train properly in those conditions, not just taking stupid photos, I'll put my money on him for TDF podium.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

must have been difficult.
Should be interesting the progress he makes coming into 2011.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

When I saw this post quoted by another poster I thought you were reffering to my post.


Who was Gesink against in those national tt championships?
So it is evidence he is a good time trialist because he came 8th in a junior tt WC and the only person of significance that beat him was kreuziger. The rest of the riders aren't of a high calibre.
In 2008/2009 can you please list the results he got in the tt - even the ones he was not in form?


The Hitch is good at winding people up and he is an excellent ACF Mafia member!

What about olympic champion and multiple world champion long-distance speed skating Sven Kramer? He was 2nd in that TT...
And again, you're picking out 1 result. Not responding to the results as a pro I also gave.

 

[The Hitch]

What about olympic champion and multiple world champion long-distance speed skating Sven Kramer? He was 2nd in that TT...

Im sorry Ruben, i missed that, could you repeat me his "name, country and event won".

Thanks


Also Kramers coach probably told him to go the wrong way, otherwise he would have beat Bobby easily.

 

[neineinei]

Oh nobody cares about Scandinavia where you live with penguins and wrestle with polar bears

In the Netherlands it's quite uncommon, at least not in these quantities. There's hardly more than 5/10cm if there even is snow. Now it's a half meter

In Scandinavia the chances of meeting a penguin in the wild are about the same as the chances of meeting a kangaroo.

 

[simo1733]

Im sorry Ruben, i missed that, could you repeat me his "name, country and event won".

Thanks


Also Kramers coach probably told him to go the wrong way, otherwise he would have beat Bobby easily.

I think you will find that kremer would have won easily if only he had worn cycling shoes instead of skates.Gesink could have lent him a pair if he was a real sportsman.