Official lance armstrong thread, part 2 (from september 2012)

[Page Mill Masochist]

How can you value / quantify such things as remorse and contrition?

When has Lance shown remorse and contrition?

If Lance does a 180 and tells the whole honest story in great detail -- e.g., he names names, describes bribes, drug acquisition, money laundering, etc. -- then, yes, he deserves something. A lifetime ban changed to eight years, perhaps.

You just don't get that Lance was the ringleader of the biggest doping scheme in the history of sports, do you?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Indeed, let justice prevail.

The recent threads are my thoughts and curiousities which I am entitled to.

I wonder what is the end game in all this.

The vitriol mounting for Armstrong is now palpable. Almost baying for blood. Yet he is only one person who abused the system or indeed may have been allowed to abuse the system.

Where exactly is this "vitriol" mounting?

Armstrong doped (& more)- it is his choice what he does now. The fact he goes to Oprah shows what his concerns are.
Most commentators wish he would confess fully and be done with it. It is his own making to keep himself in the public eye and still not acknowledge his guilt.

 

[Benotti69]

Can a mod close this trolling thread.

Wonderboy on Oprah and the bots are working overtime!

 

[Page Mill Masochist]

Tell that to Oprah and all of her advertisers. Ratings may be down but Oprah watchers built her considerable empire.

Livestrong might get a one-time bump from the Oprah show. Then Oprah will move on, and so will her flock.

 

[northstar]

USADA has an obligation to protect the clean athletes and the integrity of clean sport. Armstrong made his decisions. He can live with the consequences.

USADA is not responsible to show Armstrong a path to rejuvenation. But maybe the govt. should open a new department called The Home for Reformed Ex-Doped Athletes. Provide counselling, medical advice, job training, etc. I am sure the taxpayers would be happy to foot the bill for this service.

 

[Basecase]

When has Lance shown remorse and contrition?

If Lance does a 180 and tells the whole honest story in great detail -- e.g., he names names, describes bribes, drug acquisition, money laundering, etc. -- then, yes, he deserves something. A lifetime ban changed to eight years, perhaps.

You just don't get that Lance was the ringleader of the biggest doping scheme in the history of sports, do you?

You think the buck stops with Lance? It's all his fault? Nothing for the authorities to answer for?

 

[Basecase]

Can a mod close this trolling thread.

Wonderboy on Oprah and the bots are working overtime!

What are you afraid of? This is called the Clinic isn't it?

So what I see as the most liberal cycling doping forum gets shut down because someone has a differing viewpoint? But shut it down as it can be called trolling?

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Did / Does USADA have an obligation to show Armstrong a path to rejuvenation, granted he did reject previous plea bargaining?

No. Lance should take his own advice: "Run. Don't walk!"

 

[ebandit]

indeed

Indeed, let justice prevail.

The recent threads are my thoughts and curiousities which I am entitled to.

indeed your thoughts are just as valid as those of any other member

personally i would have preferred to see your ?'s in an existing thread

usada issued their reasoned decision.................lance lost his sponsors

/ livestrong / public acclaim

he is trying to claw back that acclaim without acknowledging his actions

tygart / usada are not obliged to lance..they are not the guilty party

 

[Jack Ruby]

Lance had a path to rejuvenation as recently as last September.
Lance had to come clean.
He chose not to.
Tygart said many times he would have been happy to speak with Lance.

In terms of liabilities, do you think Lance should be allowed to keep gains from fraudulent activities? Why should he get a pass from any criminal wrong doing?

 

[Benotti69]

What are you afraid of? This is called the Clinic isn't it?

So what I see as the most liberal cycling doping forum gets shut down because someone has a differing viewpoint? But shut it down as it can be called trolling?

We have enough threads about wonderboy and his failings. You aint got nothing new to offer in this one.

 

[SpeedWay]

The vitriol mounting for Armstrong is now palpable.

Where you been Rip, sleeping. The haters have been active for well over a decade. Sadly for the haters and the press, they didn't get the "hate" numbers they were looking for and haven't beat their heads against the wall enough yet to realize their moment in the sun of public opinion is gone for good. Maybe that's what you mean by the "vitriol mounting" comment - after all they are the gift that keeps on giving. LA isn't even a blip on the trendingtopics website. In these trying times, 99.9999% of people have much better things to be concerned about besides the passion of the haters. You weren't naive enough to think that the loss of the TDF's, the lifetime ban, the world wide public humiliation, the massive financial hit, etc., etc., etc., would be enough to satiate the hate of these individuals, were you? Their only end game will be the grave and hopefully LA is smart enough to realize he's already had his.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Did / Does USADA have an obligation to show Armstrong a path to rejuvenation, granted he did reject previous plea bargaining?

No, let him go talk to a psychiatrist, and say FU to him for me will ya?

Almost as boring as the SKYtrainfanboys.

 

[frenchfry]

Can a mod close this trolling thread.

Wonderboy on Oprah and the bots are working overtime!

The latest trolling instructions are obvious.

Tygart and the USADA are the bad guys and didn't show Lancey-poo enough compassion.

Maybe they are flying this here first before seeing how it works on an unsuspecting public. Personally I think it is pretty weak.

 

[D-Queued]

The latest trolling instructions are obvious.

Tygart and the USADA are the bad guys and didn't show Lancey-poo enough compassion.

Maybe they are flying this here first to see how it might work on an unsuspecting public. Personally I think it is pretty weak.

^^^ Exactly.

Isn't it well past time for fanboys to throw in the crying towel?

Dave.

 

[D-Queued]

Where you been Rip, sleeping. The haters have been active for well over a decade. Sadly for the haters and the press, they didn't get the "hate" numbers they were looking for and haven't beat their heads against the wall enough yet to realize their moment in the sun of public opinion is gone for good. Maybe that's what you mean by the "vitriol mounting" comment - after all they are the gift that keeps on giving. LA isn't even a blip on the trendingtopics website. In these trying times, 99.9999% of people have much better things to be concerned about besides the passion of the haters. You weren't naive enough to think that the loss of the TDF's, the lifetime ban, the world wide public humiliation, the massive financial hit, etc., etc., etc., would be enough to satiate the hate of these individuals, were you? Their only end game will be the grave and hopefully LA is smart enough to realize he's already had his.

If all else fails, attack the 12 messengers.

Isn't it funny, with the hordes of supporters, how Lance has been exposed by an honest housewife and barely a dozen anonymous contributors to an Internet forum.

That truth sure is powerful stuff.

Dave.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Granted, USADA have castigated Armstrong.

For infractions he committed. Yup. That's the problem with violating rules. Sometimes you get caught.

He is now in limbo land.

What is that exactly? He can still vote, he has all freedoms afforded American citizens. He can be the king of the Austin bikepathletes. He can race all the non-sanctioned small-time events he likes. He's got no money problems for now anyway.

You could say he was a product of US cycling since his late teens.

Interesting. Maybe Carmichael's about to get thrown under the bus on live TV?

Did / Does USADA have an obligation to show Armstrong a path to rejuvenation,

No. The rules are pretty clear on that. Wonderboy had his chance and he blew it. Why? Rule #1. The first rule of Wonderboy is the rules don't apply to him. The second rule is he'll never change.

granted he did reject previous plea bargaining?

oooh, yeah. About that.. Well, maybe if he wasn't such a collosal @ss he would have taken his punishment like a man and either effectively retired from being an attention wh0re or, actually cooperated, fully and dealt with those consequences.

Where does the buck stop with Lance's liabilities?

<shrug>

Give it up. Sometimes people get caught.

 

[Neworld]

"not normal" says the uniballer.

 

[ustabe]

So what I see as the most liberal cycling doping forum gets shut down because someone has a differing viewpoint? But shut it down as it can be called trolling?

Aye, so it is political.

I'm going to say something very conservative now. Lance should take responsibility for the consequences of his actions. Lance walked away. Nobody owes Lance. End of story.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Really out of touch fanboy ramblings.

Oh look Speedball is back, with his latest version of "you guys just all hate excellence and must really love cancer". Seriously? After all this you still have the stones to show your stupid head around here? Not even an effective update? Meh!

 

[trailrunner]

OK this is the Clinic and all, and Lance abused himself, but should he now be subject to a life of castigation?

Is lauralyn back?

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Is lauralyn back?

yup.......

 

[AussieEdge]

You also forgot he probably used most of his Livestrong money to do it too

For that alone he can rot

 

[ChewbaccaD]

So eye for an eye revenge is appropriate?

How can you value / quantify such things as remorse and contrition?

Lance is the criminal. It is up to him to confront that, society nor the USADA owe him anything. Personal responsibility is lost on some people, apparently you are in that group. If Lance wants absolution, he must seek it. He is not seeking it. He is seeking the right to compete in Triathlons. He isn't seeking forgiveness from the people he actually harmed, he is seeking a return of the adulation of fans. His "confession" is all about his personal needs. Nobody owes him anything if he isn't seeking it.

You are confused.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Where you been Rip, sleeping. The haters have been active for well over a decade. Sadly for the haters and the press, they didn't get the "hate" numbers they were looking for and haven't beat their heads against the wall enough yet to realize their moment in the sun of public opinion is gone for good. Maybe that's what you mean by the "vitriol mounting" comment - after all they are the gift that keeps on giving. LA isn't even a blip on the trendingtopics website. In these trying times, 99.9999% of people have much better things to be concerned about besides the passion of the haters. You weren't naive enough to think that the loss of the TDF's, the lifetime ban, the world wide public humiliation, the massive financial hit, etc., etc., etc., would be enough to satiate the hate of these individuals, were you? Their only end game will be the grave and hopefully LA is smart enough to realize he's already had his.

If by "haters" you mean "people who called for the truth about Armstrong to be exposed even when an ignorant public defended someone who was, to any person with a basic knowledge of physiology and a modicum of logic, obviously doped to the gills, then yes, we are "haters."

BTW, you lost the war. Deal with it.