Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Malvolio]

Andreu testiomony -
Q. Did he [Lance Armstrong] indicate to you that he was going to use EPO or
consider using EPO?
A. No.
Q. Was there any discussion between you and Mr. Armstrong
regarding EPO or the use of EPO during that time period?
A. No.
Q. '94, '95 time period?
A. No.
Q. Did anyone on the team tell you that Mr. Armstrong was using EPO during that time period?
A. No.
Q. Did you ever have a discussion with Mr. Armstrong about
whether or not you should use EPO?
A. Did I ever have a discussion with Lance about whether or
not I should use EPO?
Q. Yes.
A. No.
Q. Did he ever recommend or say you should do EPO?
A. No.
Q. Did he ever ask for your input about whether or not he
should use EPO?
A. No.
Q. Do you have any knowledge about whether or not
Mr. Armstrong used EPO during that time period?
A. No.
Q. Throughout the entire time you were on the Motorola team,
do you have any knowledge about whether or not Mr. Armstrong used EPO?
A. No, I did not.
Q. So, if I asked you did Mr. Armstrong use EPO while you were
teammates at the Motorola team, your answer would be you don't know one way or another?
A. My answer would be I do not know.
Q. Did you see or hear anything from him or others that made you suspicious of whether or not Mr. Armstrong was using EPO?
A. No.
Q. I want to focus on his career when he returned to professional cycling.
A. While he was racing, no, I do not have any knowledge of him
using any drugs.
Q. And although he may not have shown you it, did you ever see
anything in his room, in his hotel room or in any of his possessions that you thought might be a performance-enhancing drug or substance?
A. No, I did not.
Q. Do you know if Mr. Armstrong used performance-enhancing
substances while he was on the U.S. Postal team with you?
A. No.
Q. How about at any time from 1999 forward? Other than what you've already described for me where he showed you these pills, do you have any knowledge as to whether or not Mr. Armstrong used performance-enhancing drugs or substances?
A. I was only on the team with him '99 and 2000, and in those two years, no.
Q. Okay. Have you ever had a discussion with Mr. Armstrong
about EPO?
A. No.
Q. Never actually talked about it?
A. We've talked -- I mean I've talked with Lance and other riders just about general EPO use in the Peloton and when stuff is written about it in the paper talking about what
the heck it is and what it does. Very general stuff.
Q. Nothing beyond general discussions about EPO?
A. Never.
Q. Did anyone ever tell you that Mr. Armstrong used
performance-enhancing drugs?
A. No.
Q. You actually roomed with Lance for some period of time, did you not?
A. Yeah. We lived together for a while.
Q. About how many races do you think you and Lance Armstrong were in together as part of the same team, you know, in your career?
Q. Hundreds?
A. Yeah. Hundreds.

I rest my case, my lord. Perjury right there.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It was true.

From this article:

A year later, Betsy recalls, she and Frankie went house hunting with Armstrong and his then-wife, Kristin Armstrong, in Nice, France.

“We were considering trying to find something close together, believe it or not,” Betsy says. The Armstrongs ended up in a big house; the Andreus bought a modest flat downtown.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Where in the hell were all these posters a couple of years ago?

It's like some sort of f*cking magic!

BOOM!

Out of nowhere with all this awesome information!

Cute...

 

[Malvolio]

From this article:

One of the documentaries on the Andreu's said he shared a house with Lance in the build up to the tour, i.e, knows everything. Maybe it was the last training camp.

But we now have evidence of even more perjury from Frankie above. It's not just that he didn't know for sure what was in the needles, he never knew anything about Lance and doping at all. In the light of what we know now, it's a clear lie.

Anyway, I don't want to hog the thread anymore. Didn't expect to be back for so long. Feels just like the old times, holding you and old Racey to account.

 

[Granville57]

 

[Dr. Maserati]

One of the documentaries on the Andreu's said he shared a house with Lance in the build up to the tour, i.e, knows everything. Maybe it was the last training camp.

But we now have evidence of even more perjury from Frankie above. It's not just that he didn't know for sure what was in the needles, he never knew anything about Lance and doping at all. In the light of what we know now, it's a clear lie.

Anyway, I don't want to hog the thread anymore. Didn't expect to be back for so long. Feels just like the old times, holding you and old Racey to account.

I assume you read Its Not About The Bike every night - do you think Sally might have mentioned the Andreus being in the Villa?

And if you read Tylers book - you will know that Frankie was not on the Campervan, and in his USADA affidavit, he never says he saw LA take EPO.
Because LA didn't do EPO in front of him.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I dug this up from a forum I read in 2007. Transcript of part Frankie's deposition during the SCA arbitration. Either it's a fabrication or Frankie is a proven liar. Actually make that more of a proven liar, for the record I don't have time for any of these dopers, they are all liars.

Look Lance, I don't know what the deal is with going after the Andreaus but that doesn't work either. It didn't work years ago, and it's not working now.

Go be a Dad to the kids and sort out the legal matters left. Really. The story is set in stone at this point.

 

[a-team]

Look Lance, I don't know what the deal is with going after the Andreaus but that doesn't work either. It didn't work years ago, and it's not working now.

Go be a Dad to the kids and sort out the legal matters left. Really. The story is set in stone at this point.

That's your response? Couldn't be further from the truth buddy. I can't stand Lance, I'm glad he lost all his tours. Glad he's banned. Don't expect me to stand up for all the other spineless dopers still trying to shoot him down though.

How about you comment on the content of my post rather than who I am not?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

That's your response? Couldn't be further from the truth buddy. I can't stand Lance, I'm glad he lost all his tours. Glad he's banned. Don't expect me to stand up for all the other spineless dopers still trying to shoot him down though.

How about you comment on the content of my post rather than who I am not?

As you were able to find the piece from a forum you were on in 2007, could you link to it. Or show the source?

 

[a-team]

As you were able to find the piece from a forum you were on in 2007, could you link to it. Or show the source?

Road bike review forum, just paste in some of the text and you will find it.

edit: here is the link http://forums.roadbikereview.com/doping-forum/david-walshs-book-99051-2.html

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Road bike review forum, just paste in some of the text and you will find it.

I tried that and it didn't turn up a link. I'll try it again but it usually works quite well, having done it with the regurgitated CN "articles" that don't get attributed.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Not a forum per se: https://pelotonjim.wordpress.com/2006/09/14/

 

[Dear Wiggo]

cyclingnews.com themselves reported it: http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2006/sep06/armstrong_andreu_statement but it looks like it's just a reprint of a LA claim.

 

[MarkvW]

Road bike review forum, just paste in some of the text and you will find it.

edit: here is the link http://forums.roadbikereview.com/doping-forum/david-walshs-book-99051-2.html

That source looks fraudulent to me. The link it provides goes to the Livestrong site. Also, it's inconsistent with Ms. Macur's report:http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/12/sports/othersports/12cycling.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[Dr. Maserati]

That source looks fraudulent to me. The link it provides goes to the Livestrong site. Also, it's inconsistent with Ms. Macur's report:http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/12/sports/othersports/12cycling.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

The only hit I get is from 2012, again the same passage as originally posted, and it looks like its from the Facts for Lance page.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/10/26/response.pdf

 

[DirtyWorks]

..Don't expect me to stand up for all the other spineless dopers still trying to shoot him down though.

To the bolded: really? Did I miss all those interviews the Andreaus have been doing lately? No. No I didn't.

This is how things are playing out for your boss: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox_Scandal That's almost 100 years ago and baseball fans still, to this day, know about it. That's your guy.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Busted!...

 

[Race Radio]

Road bike review forum, just paste in some of the text and you will find it.

edit: here is the link http://forums.roadbikereview.com/doping-forum/david-walshs-book-99051-2.html

Hahaha, dude those are links to the Paceline forum. They had edited portions of various testimonies designed to leave out the key parts, like how Lance talked about using EPO, HGH, and testosterone.

Note also that Frankie is saying NO to a specific , 94 and 95, he does say he discussed EPO with him in 96.

Save the fake outrage. This is the same as his USADA affidavit

 

[DirtyWorks]

How about you comment on the content of my post rather than who I am not?

Link please.

 

[a-team]

Hahaha, dude those are links to the Paceline forum. They had edited portions of various testimonies designed to leave out the key parts, like how Lance talked about using EPO, HGH, and testosterone.

I'm well aware Lance's groupies cut things out to suit their purpose. Are you saying Andreu's testimony as quoted is a complete fabrication though? It wasn't really challenged at the time and was on several other sites.

Note also that Frankie is saying NO to a specific , 94 and 95, he does say he discussed EPO with him in 96.

Save the fake outrage. This is the same as his USADA affidavit

If the text I pasted is accurate (and I did say it could be a fabrication) there are enough answer there to contradict his USADA affidavit.

No fake outrage from me, I treat all dopers the same. Pharmstrong, Basso, Ulrich, Andy, Froome, you won't see me defend any of them.

Does video footage exist of the testimony? Or an original transcript like there is of Swart's deposition? I guess that would settle the argument.

 

[a-team]

To the bolded: really? Did I miss all those interviews the Andreaus have been doing lately? No. No I didn't.

This is how things are playing out for your boss:

Didn't they do one earlier this month?

Not everyone fits in your black and white box dude. Is it such a foreign concept that one can dislike Pharmstrong and also dislike his enemies?

btw, if you're going to be someones biarch at least learn to spell their name.

 

[DirtyWorks]

If the text I pasted is accurate (and I did say it could be a fabrication) there are enough answer there to contradict his USADA affidavit...

Sloooow down. The original attributed claim was established as false and now we're asked to use the false claim as if it were true. When it's not true. At all.

Have a different opinion, but you need some facts to support it. This has always been the problem with anyone trying to change the well-known version of the story. Keep trying!

And your "black/white box reduction" is false too. Ex. JV or Landis.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Didn't they do one earlier this month?

Who? How about posting a valid link this time.

 

[86TDFWinner]

I thought this was a funny read, sorry if it's been posted already:

http://news.yahoo.com/lance-armstrong-case-back-court-over-bonuses-193044043--spt.html

DALLAS (AP) —

Attorneys for Lance Armstrong argued Friday that he shouldn't have to return to arbitration with a Texas company over million-dollar bonuses he received for winning races even if it was revealed years later that the cyclist lied about taking performance-enhancing drugs during his spectacular career.

LOL, Lawyers are STILL using the "he didn't do anything wrong, this is a witch hunt" nonsense.


SCA Promotions of Dallas sued shortly after Armstrong acknowledged last year that he had lied for years about doping. It then asked an arbitration panel to reopen a 2006 settlement it reached over about $12 million in bonuses it said it paid for three of Armstrong's seven Tour de France victories. He has since been stripped of all seven victories and given a lifetime ban from sports.

The panel voted 2-1 in October to review the case. Armstrong's attorneys want Judge Tonya Parker to overrule the panel, saying the arbitration case is closed.

Why, so Wonderboy won't have to testify?

Jeff Tillotson, an attorney for SCA Promotions, said something had to be done when a party in the case "lied at every step of the way." The language of the settlement allowed the panel to handle any future claims about that settlement, he argued.

"You tried to hurt us — legally, (in) public relations," Tillotson said. "What's the penalty for that?"

But, Wonderboy is so delusional, he honestly thinks he did nothing wrong.

Tillotson also said Armstrong's attorneys had previously tried to get the panel to issue sanctions after the settlement against his side.

He should do the same...watch the meltdowns ensue.

Armstrong's attorneys say state law protects their client in such cases. Even if Armstrong lied under oath, that would not be enough to reopen the case, said Tim Herman, Armstrong's longtime attorney.

"There is no case ... that gave an arbitration panel any authority beyond the conduct of the proceeding that was going on before them," Herman said.

Ah, but there IS a case Herman, or your boy wouldn't be on the hotseat right now.

Parker said she would issue a ruling soon, likely early next week.

Anyone willing to wager Wonderboy or someone on his team tries to: intimidate/bully/ pay off the judge to see things his way?

Armstrong, who did not attend the hearing, has faced several lawsuits related to the millions of dollars he amassed as a cyclist. The biggest is a federal whistle-blower lawsuit over his team's previous sponsorship by the U.S. Postal Service that could lead to fines of more than $100 million.

I really think he's dead in the water here, and will have to pay out.

He settled a smaller suit late last year with Nebraska-based Acceptance Insurance over $3 million in bonuses.

Hmm, hopefully the judge goes with this line of thinking in this case and forces Wonderboy to pay up.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I would have thought the Acceptance Insurance ruling would provide precdent? Or is it different entirely because they never contested and therefore never settled with some sort of agreement being signed as part of that settlement?