Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[spetsa]

Doesn't matter if they do or not. File an appeal, add 3 months. File another one add 3 months.

This is arbitration remember. A lot of courts to get through. Good times.

please explain....one's ability to file an appeal is not as endless as you are making it out to be.

 

[spetsa]

I think you're overplaying the length to which a court will entertain a party's appeal of a decision by an arbitration panel. Courts like to punt those back pretty quickly because the arbitration process is well established and well defended by courts. Also note that appeals are limited to narrower and narrower issues, and the issues used to overturn arbitration decisions are narrow anyway.

Lance can't draw this out as much as you think.

Thanks for an expert opinion. Common sense, and a small understanding of the legal system tells me the same thing.

 

[thehog]

please explain....one's ability to file an appeal is not as endless as you are making it out to be.

It depends what you are appealing.

If SCA could get their money back easily they'd have it already. This has been going on since May 2010 when it became apparent Armstrong had lied in default of the contract.

It's now March 2014. November 2012 when the titles were stripped & they could move forward with legal certainty.

But it's still going. And will keep going until settlement.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Thanks for an expert opinion. Common sense, and a small understanding of the legal system tells me the same thing.

Yea, the protection of arbitration decisions by courts is well established, and in this case, the judge has already ruled that the arbitration panel is acting within its rights. Their decision will stand, and SCA won't have to do any legal gymnastics to enforce it. If Armstrong appeals to a court and the court even decides to hear it (I doubt it will), Armstrong will lose, and the next court (if there is another level) will likely kick it out really quickly.

Armstrong can't do too much here if he loses in arbitration, and it seems most likely he is going to lose and lose badly. Sometimes party's don't settle because they don't have to, and they can make things more painful to the other side by not settling. I would hope an insurance company would not do such a thing, but you never know. I'd hold out for the full $12M if I were advising them. If Armstrong sends something low-ball, I'd kick my next settlement offer up to $18M.

 

[thehog]

Yea, the protection of arbitration decisions by courts is well established, and in this case, the judge has already ruled that the arbitration panel is acting within its rights. Their decision will stand, and SCA won't have to do any legal gymnastics to enforce it. If Armstrong appeals to a court and the court even decides to hear it (I doubt it will), Armstrong will lose, and the next court (if there is another level) will likely kick it out really quickly.

Armstrong can't do too much here if he loses in arbitration, and it seems most likely he is going to lose and lose badly. Sometimes party's don't settle because they don't have to, and they can make things more painful to the other side by not settling. I would hope an insurance company would not do such a thing, but you never know. I'd hold out for the full $12M if I were advising them. If Armstrong sends something low-ball, I'd kick my next settlement offer up to $18M.

Watch this space, I assume.

For the next 12-18 months.

 

[Kennf1]

The mandamus proceeding on Judge Parker's order is still at the Dallas Court of Appeals. There may be some negotiating before they rule, but who knows. Judge Parker's decision (that the issue can go back to the panel) was a big loss for the Armstrong team

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Watch this space, I assume.

For the next 12-18 months.

12-18 months? That's like 3 days in legal terms. You've ventured yet again into territory you don't really have the basis for making the claims you are making. If you'd like a list of cases that provide the precedents used by courts to address appeals from arbitration, then I'd be happy to supply you with days of reading.

12-18 months...yea, SCA is shaking in their boots over that timeframe...

Lance needs the support though, so glad to see you are willing to help.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

The mandamus proceeding on Judge Parker's order is still at the Dallas Court of Appeals. There may be some negotiating before they rule, but who knows. Judge Parker's decision (that the issue can go back to the panel) was a big loss for the Armstrong team

Huge. The hog apparently believes there are 16 more layers of court Armstrong can appeal to...

 

[thehog]

12-18 months? That's like 3 days in legal terms. You've ventured yet again into territory you don't really have the basis for making the claims you are making. If you'd like a list of cases that provide the precedents used by courts to address appeals from arbitration, then I'd be happy to supply you with days of reading.

12-18 months...yea, SCA is shaking in their boots over that timeframe...

Lance needs the support though, so glad to see you are willing to help.

Oh chewie, stop. I'm not defending Arsmtrong I'm just saying how these thing tend to play out.

You're just too hung up and too uncomfortable with talking about Armstrong beyond hater chat.

If it takes 3 years to overturn a parking ticket this will take a lot longer.

SCA are not shaking in their boots. But I bet their CFO is. Money.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Oh chewie, stop. I'm not defending Arsmtrong I'm just saying how these thing tend to play out.

You're just too hung up and too uncomfortable with talking about Armstrong beyond hater chat.

If it takes 3 years to overturn a parking ticket this will take a lot longer.

SCA are not shaking in their boots. But I bet their CFO is. Money.

You're way out of your depth here. Like, waaaaayyyyy out.

 

[thehog]

You're way out of your depth here. Like, waaaaayyyyy out.

Nice post edit.

That was very odd that you changed it on the fly.

Does discussing Armstrong make you feel uncomfortable?

I'm happy to talk about him, or is the hate getting to you?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Nice post edit.

That was very odd that you changed it on the fly.

Does discussing Armstrong make you feel uncomfortable?

I'm happy to talk about him, or is the hate getting to you?

And by "talk," you mean "apologize for his doping." Nope, but thanks anyway.

As for the legal pontification on your part, it's amusing, please feel free to keep on going. It only adds another layer to the humor at this point.

 

[thehog]

And by "talk," you mean "apologize for his doping." Nope, but thanks anyway.

It's not my intention to get under your skin. So if I have I apologise.

However, I'm still not following. This is a discussion forum, yes? People come here to discuss topics contained in threads.

You appear to want to shut that discussion down. Most odd.

Not sure why that would occur; can we get back to discussing the topic openly without getting personal?

ie SCA and delays Armstrong might make in attempt to get a reduced settlement?

Your thoughts?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

It's not my intention to get under your skin. So if I have I apologise.

However, I'm still not following. This is a discussion forum, yes? People come here to discuss topics contained in threads.

You appear to want to shut that discussion down. Most odd.

Not sure why that would occur; can we get back to discussing the topic openly without getting personal?

ie SCA and delays Armstrong might make in attempt to get a reduced settlement?

Your thoughts?

Enthralling tale my sibling.

 

[thehog]

Enthralling story my sibling.

Still not following. I'd like to discuss with you because I value your opinion.

Why shut that down with barbs and personal put downs? We're all equals here on this forum.

So back on topic; do you think Armstrong will attempt to delay further?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Still not following. I'd like to discuss with you because I value your opinion.

Why shut that down with barbs and personal put downs? We're all equals here on this forum.

So back on topic; do you think Armstrong will attempt to delay further?

I'm sorry if you thought I was being personal. You actually don't know what you're talking about, nothing pejorative about that.

 

[thehog]

I'm sorry if you thought I was being personal. You actually don't know what you're talking about, nothing pejorative about that.

Thanks. We appear to agree on the 12-18 month delay, yes? Or more; that's what legal timesframes are at times. Maybe we're not all that far away from each other?

You clearly have more legal understanding than I do. But perhaps if we discussed things together it would be a much better contribution to the forum.

We're all equals here. Everyone has the right to post. At times you appear to hold something personal against me and become a hotheaded and angry. Or that you feel uncomfortable that I'm able to discuss Armstrong beyond that he's a evil guy. Nevertheless If I've upset you in the past, I apologise. Its not been my intention to do so.

But again I feel that our summary of the position in relation to SCA v Armstrong is not far off from each other. I won't say we agree but we're fairly close in our summations of the situation.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Thanks. We appear to agree on the 12-18 month delay, yes? Or more; that's what legal timesframes are at times. Maybe we're not all that far away from each other?

You clearly have more legal understanding than I do. But perhaps if we discussed things together it would be a much better contribution to the forum.

We're all equals here. Everyone has the right to post. At times you appear to hold something personal against me and become a hotheaded and angry. Or that you feel uncomfortable that I'm able to discuss Armstrong beyond that he's a evil guy. Nevertheless If I've upset you in the past, I apologise. Its not been my intention to do so.

But again I feel that our summary of the position in relation to SCA v Armstrong is not far off from each other. I won't say we agree but we're fairly close in our summations of the situation.

I've never once held anything personal against you. I don't know what you're talking about actually. I'm kind of floored by the accusation really. I have no idea why you would attack me with such a vicious and unfounded fabrication. Sorry you feel persecuted and bullied into not posting. I'd suggest that you get some help with that, but apparently that is considered an "insult," so I will just do some positive meditation in your direction. Hope that helps.

 

[thehog]

I've never once held anything personal against you. I don't know what you're talking about actually. I'm kind of floored by the accusation really. I have no idea why you would attack me with such a vicious and unfounded fabrication. Sorry you feel persecuted and bullied into not posting. I'd suggest that you get some help with that, but apparently that is considered an "insult," so I will just do some positive meditation in your direction. Hope that helps.

You appear still to be avoiding the topic of Armstrong and SCA now and concentrating on me - i.e. getting personal. Let's stay on track, yes?

I value your opinion. You could contribute with your knowledge and would like you too. I mean a Michelin star chef wouldn't walk into a 'learn to cook' forum and tell everyone how stupid they are for not knowing now to cook. That doesn't add any value. He'd want to get in there and share his knowledge.

So back to the topic of Armstrong & SCA, because that's what we should be discussing. Would you agree, that we agree, that 12-18 months is a reasonable time frame to some form of result?

Your thoughts?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

You appear still to be avoiding the topic of Armstrong and SCA now and concentrating on me - i.e. getting personal. Let's stay on track, yes?

I value your opinion. You could contribute with your knowledge and would like you too. I mean a Michelin star chef wouldn't walk into a 'learn to cook' forum and tell everyone how stupid they are for not knowing now to cook. That doesn't add any value. He'd want to get in there and share his knowledge.

So back to the topic of Armstrong & SCA, because that's what we should be discussing. Would you agree, that we agree, that 12-18 months is a reasonable time frame to some form of result?

Your thoughts?

Again, I don't know where that is coming from. You don't know what you're talking about, but that doesn't make you "stupid." You have some real negative self-talk going on.

As for the rest, I have already explained everything, but I guess you missed it. I don't really think it is productive for me to reiterate things already detailed.

I did that meditation thing, did you feel it?

Good post Chewie.

EDIT: And we need to stop. The mods are going to think we are baiting each other, and that is something I don't want to be painted with right now.

 

[mewmewmew13]

will you two get a thread?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

will you two get a thread?

Don't you roll your eyes at me Missy!

I'm going to stop because I think the hog's replies to my posts might give the moderators the wrong impression.

 

[thehog]

Again, I don't know where that is coming from. You don't know what you're talking about, but that doesn't make you "stupid." You have some real negative self-talk going on.

As for the rest, I have already explained everything, but I guess you missed it. I don't really think it is productive for me to reiterate things already detailed.

I did that meditation thing, did you feel it?

I'm still not following. It's a forum for everyone to post. You say I don't know what I'm talking about but we we agree on the potential timeframe, yes?

Why is that I don't know what I'm talking about, when you're avoid discussing the actual topic?

If anything I'd say maybe you might not have he ability to engage with people beyond just telling them or sending down barbs? ie not being able to have a discussion. The emotional intelligence element that they call it these days.

But I'm prepared to be proven wrong and happy to talk on topic. If you like?

Meditation is not something you send. It's about being. Look I know something you don't!

 

[thehog]

Don't you roll your eyes at me Missy!

I'm going to stop because I think the hog's replies to my posts might give the moderators the wrong impression.

I'll stop as well. Well played.

 

[Granville57]

The power of the mewmewmew-derator in full force.