Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Energy Starr]

In a sense he is correct. You don't get better with EPO unless you are training harder than you did previously.

AICAR and GW50516 are the truly "don't do work but still get better" drugs.

But you can train harder with EPO...no? Also you would be more motivated because you know you have a chance. It's not only the physiological aspect, it's the mental aspect. All of it made possible only by the doping. Training is way easier when you think you can win and as with LA have an expectation to win. Doping is a shortcut so you don't have to do the work, especially when you know if you're clean it won't matter how much work you do, you have no chance.

 

[TexPat]

There will always be the folks that are hangers-on that look for approval from aggressive braggarts like Lance..
and sad ones that have no life of their own or self-pride that will gravitate to "wonder boy the awesome"
..and for those reasons it might possibly gain some traction.

He's grasping...

This guy found redemption.
Provided by his ever diminishing flock.
My boy Gunderson will too.
Baaaaaaaaaaaa.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

But you can train harder with EPO...no? Also you would be more motivated because you know you have a chance. It's not only the physiological aspect, it's the mental aspect. All of it made possible only by the doping. Training is way easier when you think you can win and as with LA have an expectation to win. Doping is a shortcut so you don't have to do the work, especially when you know if you're clean it won't matter how much work you do, you have no chance.

Dude. Let it go. You wrote, "No, you didn't Lance...that's the whole point. The doping allowed you a short cut. It made it easier. You absolutely didn't have to the do the work."

And now you are saying, "But you can train harder with EPO...no?" followed by "Doping is a shortcut so you don't have to do the work".

Now maybe our definitions of "work" when it comes to cycling differ, to explain the apparent contradiction in your very closely spaced posts, but in my world, if you train harder, you are doing the work.

I'm no fan of any cyclist. Lance cheated, no question. But when the hate starts to cloud your rational thinking to the point where you can post, "You absolutely didn't have to the do the work.", followed immediately 5 minutes later by "But you can train harder with EPO...no?" you need to perhaps take a step back and just let it go?

My experience says training is not easier when you think you can win, either. Unless you are equally sociopathic, I suggest you don't project what you think is going on in LA's mind with too much confidence.

 

[Energy Starr]

Dude. Let it go. You wrote, "No, you didn't Lance...that's the whole point. The doping allowed you a short cut. It made it easier. You absolutely didn't have to the do the work."

And now you are saying, "But you can train harder with EPO...no?" followed by "Doping is a shortcut so you don't have to do the work".

Now maybe our definitions of "work" when it comes to cycling differ, to explain the apparent contradiction in your very closely spaced posts, but in my world, if you train harder, you are doing the work.

I'm no fan of any cyclist. Lance cheated, no question. But when the hate starts to cloud your rational thinking to the point where you can post, "You absolutely didn't have to the do the work.", followed immediately 5 minutes later by "But you can train harder with EPO...no?" you need to perhaps take a step back and just let it go?

My experience says training is not easier when you think you can win, either. Unless you are equally sociopathic, I suggest you don't project what you think is going on in LA's mind with too much confidence.

We just disagree on what it means to be easier to train harder. It's not hate. Doping is a short cut. Whatever.

 

[Granville57]

No, you didn't Lance...

You absolutely didn't have to the do the work.

That sounds pretty definitive. The thing is though, across most (if not all) sports, you are likely to find that the top dopers and winners are the very people who did the most work.

More dope generally allows for more "work." That's part of why they win.

 

[86TDFWinner]

LOL, can't believe it! Wonderboy FINALLY admits he couldn't win the TDF w/o doping. Wonder how much this plays into his current lawsuits and so forth. Also....umm Wonderboy, LeMond PROVED you could win the tour while clean in the "late 80s". You just can't admit LeMond was superior to you. Just when you think he can't top himself in the clueless, pathetic liar department, he outdoes himself.


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nbc-y...er-have-won-tdf-without-doping-160508769.html

 

[MarkvW]

LOL, can't believe it! Wonderboy FINALLY admits he couldn't win the TDF w/o doping.


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nbc-y...er-have-won-tdf-without-doping-160508769.html

Nobody can win the TdF without doping.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

LOL, can't believe it! Wonderboy FINALLY admits he couldn't win the TDF w/o doping. Wonder how much this plays into his current lawsuits and so forth.


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nbc-y...er-have-won-tdf-without-doping-160508769.html

In that era, because of the arms race.

He's not saying at all that he himself was no good.

 

[TexPat]

That sounds pretty definitive. The thing is though, across most (if not all) sports, you are likely to find that the top dopers and winners are the very people who did the most work.

More dope generally allows for more "work." That's part of why they win.

This may be true. I don't know. Not a expert on these things, but anecdotal evidence compiled by me in 2003-2004 makes me believe that it is not necessarily true. In 2004, Brother Gunderson spent considerably less time training in the winter and early spring then in 2003;much of the training time was spent "Leaving Las Vegas" cause all he wanted to do was have some fun.
Stapledunce and Nags and Junior Colllege expressed their concern.
And yet, he "won".
Whatever that means.
Food for thought.

 

[TexPat]

LOL, can't believe it! Wonderboy FINALLY admits he couldn't win the TDF w/o doping. Wonder how much this plays into his current lawsuits and so forth. Also....umm Wonderboy, LeMond PROVED you could win the tour while clean in the "late 80s". You just can't admit LeMond was superior to you.


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nbc-y...er-have-won-tdf-without-doping-160508769.html

Is this presumption based on the other guys in the top 10 not doping?

 

[86TDFWinner]

Nobody can win the TdF without doping.

Unless your name is Greg LeMond........

 

[Dear Wiggo]

This may be true. I don't know. Not a expert on these things, but anecdotal evidence compiled by me in 2003-2004 makes me believe that it is not necessarily true. In 2004, Brother Gunderson spent considerably less time training in the winter and early spring then in 2003;much of the training time was spent "Leaving Las Vegas" cause all he wanted to do was have some fun.
Stapledunce and Nags and Junior Colllege expressed their concern.
And yet, he "won".
Whatever that means.
Food for thought.

That is interesting.

In Tyler's book he mentions Lance flying out to Switzerland or something and returning stronger - been a while since I read the book. It left me with a distinct "huh" - as if there was a piece of the puzzle missing from his preparation that noone really seemed to know about.

Is this stuff you're mentioning here anything anyone in authority has expressed any interest in?

 

[Granville57]

LOL, can't believe it! Wonderboy FINALLY admits he couldn't win the TDF w/o doping. Wonder how much this plays into his current lawsuits and so forth. Also....umm Wonderboy, LeMond PROVED you could win the tour while clean in the "late 80s". You just can't admit LeMond was superior to you.


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nbc-y...er-have-won-tdf-without-doping-160508769.html

Well then, the joke's on Lance, because as we were told by The Good Doctor, Armstrong would've won even without the dope.
Does that mean that Lance can now ask for a refund?

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=126

I think Lance is wrong.

If his way of taking TESTOSTERONE was the one reported by several teammates (microdoses diluted in olive oil, under the tongue), this could not have more than a PLACEBO EFFECT.

The amount absorbed with this mode of administration and dosage are negligible and certainly have no effect on performance or recovery.

In the case of Armstrong after the disease, it is possible that exogenous administration of testosterone may even worsen his aerobic performances.

Equal increases in Hb-mass can be achieved with appropriate periods of altitude training.

Therefore Armstrong would have achieved the same level of performance without resorting to doping, also thanks to his talent which was far superior to the rivals of his era.

I mean, ya' gotta hand it to him. The man knows how to troll.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Is this presumption based on the other guys in the top 10 not doping?

I'm not sure what you're asking/alluding to, but can we please stop beating the "LeMond doped too" horse to death though? Unless you can provide any sort of proof that he did, then it's pretty pointless to keep bringing it up in an attempt to protect Wonderboy and others who've doped. Wonderboy lied again about something, not surprising.

 

[Granville57]

Stapledunce and Nags and Junior Colllege expressed their concern.

And yet, he "won".
Whatever that means.
Food for thought.

Indeed. Thanks, as always, for the perspective.

(Give me a moment and I'll dig up the quote from Tyler that Dear Wiggo is referring to.)

 

[TexPat]

That is interesting.

In Tyler's book he mentions Lance flying out to Switzerland or something and returning stronger - been a while since I read the book. It left me with a distinct "huh" - as if there was a piece of the puzzle missing from his preparation that noone really seemed to know about.

Is this stuff you're mentioning here anything anyone in authority has expressed any interest in?

This is old news.

Switzerland and Tenerife possess magical powers btw.

 

[TexPat]

I'm not sure what you're asking/alluding to, but can we please stop beating the "LeMond doped too" horse to death though? Unless you can provide any sort of proof that he did, then it's pretty pointless to keep bringing it up in an attempt to protect Wonderboy and others who've doped. Wonderboy lied again about something, not surprising.

Huh?

I don't know if Lemond doped. Doubt that he did, though. Now that we have covered that...

I read between the lines of Brother Gunderson's smarmy statement and suggest that he is trying another angle of "Everybody does it".

 

[Merckx index]

I'm not sure what you're asking/alluding to, but can we please stop beating the "LeMond doped too" horse to death though? Unless you can provide any sort of proof that he did, then it's pretty pointless to keep bringing it up in an attempt to protect Wonderboy and others who've doped. Wonderboy lied again about something, not surprising.

Do you know who TexPat is? Apparently not, or you would realize how ridiculous your assertion is that he is protecting LA. He just mentioned some very interesting observations, pay attention, you might learn something. He has forgotten more Armstrong lies than you have ever read about.

 

[Granville57]

I'm not sure what you're asking/alluding to, but can we please stop beating the "LeMond doped too" horse to death though?.

Easy now. I think you're the only one referring to Greg.

 

[MarkvW]

Huh?

I don't know if Lemond doped. Doubt that he did, though. Now that we have covered that...

I read between the lines of Brother Gunderson's smarmy statement and suggest that he is trying another angle of "Everybody does it".

...and "everybody knew about it."

 

[86TDFWinner]

Do you know who TexPat is? Apparently not, or you would realize how ridiculous your assertion is that he is protecting LA. He just mentioned some very interesting observations, pay attention, you might learn something. He has forgotten more Armstrong lies than you have ever read about.

I misread his statement, but thanks for your input. Calm down everyone. I thought he was trying to take a dig @ Greg with the "10 other riders" remark.

 

[TexPat]

I misread his statement, but thanks for your input.

No problemo, compadre.
Believe me, we're on the same team.

If I learned anything about Señor Brazofuerte, it's not to believe anything he says.
Or at least, to be sure that he's got a special motive for telling the truth, as rare as that is.

 

[86TDFWinner]

...and "everybody knew about it."

'I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles".

 

[86TDFWinner]

No problemo, compadre.
Believe me, we're on the same team.

If I learned anything about Señor Brazofuerte, it's not the believe anything he says.
Or at least, be sure that he's got a special motive for telling the truth, as rare as that is.

LOL, Thanks bud. and I agree. You have to caution his motives whenever he opens his maw.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

This is old news.

Switzerland and Tenerife possess magical powers btw.

Old news?

Hmmmm I don't remember ever reading what it was he was doing special vs others?

From The Secret Race (page 96, I think, but pagination may be fluid - I searched for, "Switzerland"):