Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[ChewbaccaD]

OK so our new guy is banned. What were his earlier alter egos ? Who is the guy who dissed him/Lance who is a VP at one of the sponsors ? Is BCIGTJ who we think it is,or is is somebody very close ?

My favorite part is that they didn't even bother to put the banning in the "Member Suspensions" thread.

 

[mewmewmew13]

My favorite part is that they didn't even bother to put the banning in the "Member Suspensions" thread.

so many tries...so little time

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I wish they could just let him be, it is hilarious and is there anyone who take him seriously now? on twitter it's not half as funny as here.

 

[Berzin]

Once again, help us out by not responding to any posts that smell of trolling/baiting. Report any offending posts and let us handle the situation.

We are here to do the rest. I have deleted most of the offending posts and anything that was posted in response.

Carry on, and keep it on-topic.

Thank you.

 

[thehog]

Toes

so many tries...so little time

I like how they dip their toe in the water before going full *** on the posting.

 

[Tinman]

Once again, help us out by not responding to any posts that smell of trolling/baiting. Report any offending posts and let us handle the situation.

We are here to do the rest. I have deleted most of the offending posts and anything that was posted in response.

Carry on, and keep it on-topic.

Thank you.

You got to be quick here. It was an interesting read while it lasted. On the ball moderaton though. Compliments.

 

[Fatclimber]

My favorite part is that they didn't even bother to put the banning in the "Member Suspensions" thread.

With an "honorable mention" at how his title read editor-in-chief with 5 posts. The dude had some skills.

 

[AcademyCC]

That was quite funny

 

[ChewbaccaD]

With an "honorable mention" at how his title read editor-in-chief with 5 posts. The dude had some skills.

Everyone gets that. I think it's a glitch in the system. A mod should be able to explain.

The guy is mentally ill. That's his "skill."

 

[Random Direction]

Darn, I go out on the bike for a few hours and miss the fun

 

[BroDeal]

Everyone gets that. I think it's a glitch in the system. A mod should be able to explain.

The guy is mentally ill. That's his "skill."

That was not BPC.

The "editor-in-chief" title is not a glitch. Someone at CN attempted to make custom titles for the staff, screwed it up, and was too dumb to back out the changes.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

SEcond Warning: Stay on topic, or face sanctions.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Armstrong is the one guy in this world that can remove McQuaid from the top of cycling.

As Oldman stated, Thom Wiesel and other sports administrators are more to blame than the athletes they pick to win. For most busted athletes, it's always told as a story about a "bad athlete." Wonderboy's a special case because of all the terrorizing. But, even then, all the hints at the UCI helping Armstrong has lead to nothing.

He knows everything and if he talks the federations will mobilize and get rid of FatPat. If he doesn't talk the Swiss and Irish will grumble a little and McQuaid will be reappointed.

I don't know. The Irish federation was good to go the first time. Since the Irish federation seems to be set up similarly to the U.S. system. The "Nominating Pat" level is not democratic. There's was no threat to the managers who voted for Pat's nomination.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Once again, help us out by not responding to any posts that smell of trolling/baiting. Report any offending posts and let us handle the situation.

We are here to do the rest. I have deleted most of the offending posts and anything that was posted in response.

Carry on, and keep it on-topic.

Thank you.

I thought Big Clinic's posts very informative about what was going on in the head of that poster. Certainly it was unrelated to reality and showed not an iota of:
i) understanding that Lance had done anything wrong;
ii) contrition.

You just had to love the bit where he thought it was all BA's fault, the lovely show would have gone rolling along making money and providing the highlife for the whole gang of armed robbers, without her messing it all up. Truly it is a view that is wedded to the mistaken notion that "this is a victimless crime".

[Sadly giving Stephen Roche space to spout his views, or having Kelly giving commentary adds to this lie. I cannot listen to the guy. The media have to understand that each time they give one of these thieves credibility they add to the problem. It is hypocritical.]

But back to the comments - of poster Big Clinic. On Oprah the guy joined together and spat out a collection of words that indicated he had absorbed both i) & ii) above. So the poster is either a Fanboy who continues to live the dream, attempting to exterminate the last 12 month's exposure or Lance showing his true reflections. I really would like some sort of response as to the past history of this poster. If it is Lance, I think the comments were worthy of greater public exposure. They guy is desperate to make a comeback and rehabilitate his character in the eye of the public and people need to see where he really is at, away from the gloss of a TV show or staged interview. Those comments were as black as it was possible to write them.

 

[Benotti69]

I thought Big Clinic's posts very informative about what was going on in the head of that poster. Certainly it was unrelated to reality and showed not an iota of:
i) understanding that Lance had done anything wrong;
ii) contrition.

You just had to love the bit where he thought it was all BA's fault, the lovely show would have gone rolling along making money and providing the highlife for the whole gang of armed robbers, without her messing it all up. Truly it is a view that is wedded to the mistaken notion that "this is a victimless crime".

[Sadly giving Stephen Roche space to spout his views, or having Kelly giving commentary adds to this lie. I cannot listen to the guy. The media have to understand that each time they give one of these thieves credibility they add to the problem. It is hypocritical.]

But back to the comments - of poster Big Clinic. On Oprah the guy joined together and spat out a collection of words that indicated he had absorbed both i) & ii) above. So the poster is either a Fanboy who continues to live the dream, attempting to exterminate the last 12 month's exposure or Lance showing his true reflections. I really would like some sort of response as to the past history of this poster. If it is Lance, I think the comments were worthy of greater public exposure. They guy is desperate to make a comeback and rehabilitate his character in the eye of the public and people need to see where he really is at, away from the gloss of a TV show or staged interview. Those comments were as black as it was possible to write them.

This is partly why i believe nothing has changed in the sport.

As bad and despicable as Monkey Mouth was and still is, his public hanging has not changed anything. He is being used as an excuse that things have changed, but they haven't.

 

[blackcat]

benotti what is your theory on vaughters seeking rapprochement?

why olive branch?

 

[benzwire]

I get the feeling that Lance is old news with the general public. All the sensation from months ago is now gone with the wind. He confessed, and that's pretty much it... just another doper-liar who had more than his 15 minutes of fame. What do you think?

Totally agree. How must that feel to one day be flying all over the world on a private jet, having thousands of people admiring you, having article after article written about you, people seeking you out for speaking engagements and paying a hefty price for the privilege to hear you...then suddenly nothing? All gone. Instead of people coming up to you with compliments and admiration, they look at you from afar with pity or a sense of embarrassment for you.
It must be killing him.

 

[Benotti69]

benotti what is your theory on vaughters seeking rapprochement?

why olive branch?

He might be trying to get Armstrong onside to expose UCI which would give his plan for a new cycling 'league' renewed hope. This 'league' was to be set up with Bruyneel as a player. Armstrong could also be part of it in some capacity.

But JV is a politician, so will do what he has to. He has talked anti doping well enough for the sport and has managed to stay in the sport while ruffling the feathers of McQuaid but not enough to upset Pat and he has invested in some smart 'sports science' people to avoid his riders getting caught.

Knowledge is power so getting Armstrong to talk is a smart move from JVs point, if Armstrong tells JV all the dirt. What can JV do with that info, I dont know. But it might be enough to know about the machinations between UCI and Armstrong to influence the future of his team in a certain direction that benefits JV.

From a distance it looks stupid to be 'dealing' with the guy, but JV aint stupid and no doubt he has smart people advising him. His father has smarts so JV aint gonna get caught with his pants down.

That Armstrong wont talk to Besty but will with JV seems strange. Betsy is hardly a threat and JV was the the guy who got a lot of ex teammates to spill on Armstrong so why talk to JV and not Betsy.

It sures seems like scheming.

 

[TheTruthIsOutThere]

I thought Big Clinic's posts very informative about what was going on in the head of that poster. Certainly it was unrelated to reality and showed not an iota of:
i) understanding that Lance had done anything wrong;
ii) contrition.

You just had to love the bit where he thought it was all BA's fault, the lovely show would have gone rolling along making money and providing the highlife for the whole gang of armed robbers, without her messing it all up. Truly it is a view that is wedded to the mistaken notion that "this is a victimless crime".

[Sadly giving Stephen Roche space to spout his views, or having Kelly giving commentary adds to this lie. I cannot listen to the guy. The media have to understand that each time they give one of these thieves credibility they add to the problem. It is hypocritical.]

But back to the comments - of poster Big Clinic. On Oprah the guy joined together and spat out a collection of words that indicated he had absorbed both i) & ii) above. So the poster is either a Fanboy who continues to live the dream, attempting to exterminate the last 12 month's exposure or Lance showing his true reflections. I really would like some sort of response as to the past history of this poster. If it is Lance, I think the comments were worthy of greater public exposure. They guy is desperate to make a comeback and rehabilitate his character in the eye of the public and people need to see where he really is at, away from the gloss of a TV show or staged interview. Those comments were as black as it was possible to write them.

The guy is completely deluded. I think it might well have been Lance Armstrong.

 

[Berzin]

...JV was the the guy who got a lot of ex teammates to spill on Armstrong so why talk to JV and not Betsy.

If it weren't for the Feds and Travis Tygart, nary a peep would have been heard from ANY rider besides Landis. He and Hamilton were the ones who had been marginalized into irrelevance and had absolutely nothing to lose, the exact opposite of Vaughters. So no one was going to give witness testimony unless coerced by an entity much more powerful than a team manager with hip sideburns and more sweater vests than Mr. Rogers.

For others testifying, he deserves absolutely none of the credit. And he too would not have come out and said anything if it weren't for the investigations.

He would have kept using the same corporate shillspeak lines about "moving forward" and "things are better than they were before" without ever mentioning what the exact conditions were that made cycling such a dirty sport to begin with.

It sure seems like scheming.

That's because it IS scheming, of the most cynical and Machiavellian kind. What the endgame is, I don't know, but it seems like another example of Armstrong making yet another flaccid, pathetic attempt at controlling the narrative and using others for his own gain.

 

[DirtyWorks]

....Instead of people coming up to you with compliments and admiration, they look at you from afar with pity or a sense of embarrassment for you.
It must be killing him.

That would suggest there's some sort of mental life that is connected to a more ethical personality. He's never exhibited that.

IMHO, recent Wonderboy comments suggest it's everyone else's problem. The public doesn't understand how he's been railroaded. At minimum he's waiting for the public to forget and figure out some lies to help people forget.

 

[Benotti69]

If it weren't for the Feds and Travis Tygart, nary a peep would have been heard from ANY rider besides Landis. He and Hamilton were the ones who had been marginalized into irrelevance and had absolutely nothing to lose, the exact opposite of Vaughters. So no one was going to give witness testimony unless coerced by an entity much more powerful than a team manager with hip sideburns and more sweater vests than Mr. Rogers.

For others testifying, he deserves absolutely none of the credit. And he too would not have come out and said anything if it weren't for the investigations.

It is true that only the yank riders talked and no non americans with exception of Swart and Barry talked So yeah the Feds sealed the deal on testifying and not JV.

He would have kept using the same corporate shillspeak lines about "moving forward" and "things are better than they were before" without ever mentioning what the exact conditions were that made cycling such a dirty sport to begin with.

It is the new cleanER era and different from the old clean era!

That's because it IS scheming, of the most cynical and Machiavellian kind. What the endgame is, I don't know, but it seems like another example of Armstrong making yet another flaccid, pathetic attempt at controlling the narrative and using others for his own gain.

It is a kick in the teeth to Besty, Emma, Mike, et al.

 

[Berzin]

On a psychological level, I've always wondered why people always gravitate to the biggest a-hole in the room, regardless of what they've done.

Why is it that certain people want to reach out to Armstrong, especially Betsy Andreu? It seems as if closure is really important to her. She must realize by now the type of person Armstrong is. This has been cemented by the things he stated during their latest back-and-forth.

For example, he tells her how aware he is in how invested she is in the hospital room incident. He thinks this was the defining moment in her life Is that not the smarmiest, most self-centered thing he's ever said to anyone aside from calling Emma O'Reilly a prostitute? And the unmitigated gall of this slithering rat to have the nerve to say he won't meet her because he doesn't trust her?

Simon Weisenthal, the famous Nazi hunter, wrote a book called "The Sunflower". For those unfamiliar with the premise, Weisenthal recounts how he was called upon to take the confession of a dying German soldier who had participated in atrocities related to the Holocaust. The soldier was looking for forgiveness before he died, and Weisenthal left the room saying absolutely nothing to him.

This is what Armstrong deserves. He deserves no audience from any of the people he hurt and marginalized. They must realize that he doesn't care, that he never cared, and never will. I would tell Betsy and Jonathan Vaughters to move on and stop legitimizing this man's dreadful existence.

We need to move the discussion from Armstrong's psychological state to him getting his comeuppance in court from everyone that wants to sue him, from SCA to all those Livestrong donors who feel jilted by his phony life story, good people who donated money under false pretenses to a phony charity that, like Armstrong, needs to disappear.

As a personal aside, some (not all) of the most successful people I've met in life have a huge disdain for ordinary folks and others who haven't achieved the same level of success in life they have. What some of these cats I'm talking about have in common with Armstrong is an inability to get over the slights of everyday life, where the grudges they hold for not being the big man on campus in high school or not accompanying the prettiest girl to the prom made them into the angry little weasels they are today. Money and fame did not make Armstrong a bitter, vindictive, petty little man. He was always like this.

I find it disturbing that he's still able to manipulate people through the sheer force of the cult of his personality. There is no need to be scared of him anymore. He's officially a nobody who can't even take part in two-bit triathlons because of the stench of his actions. Nobody wants him anymore, yet he still thinks the cycling world can't do without his presence.

His monumental hubris was able to get him what he wanted for years, but not anymore. He is interesting now only as a side-show at your local carnival, along with the bearded lady and the pinheads.

The next time I look up will be when he finally throws Bruyneel and Dr. Ferrari under the bus. Anything outside of that is of no interest to me. And yes, I've had my fun hating on him, but he had it coming to him. He deserves to go to Hell for the manner in which he manipulated the cancer community into making him Cancer Martyr #1, and for that he will get no forgiveness from me, only silence. Betsy Andreu and Jonathan Vaughters need to do likewise, not only for cycling but for themselves.

 

[blackcat]

well, it could be a positive for his wife, as he will have less opportunity to screw groupies wherever he goes

 

[Benotti69]

On a psychological level, I've always wondered why people always gravitate to the biggest a-hole in the room, regardless of what they've done.

Why is it that certain people want to reach out to Armstrong, especially Betsy Andreu? It seems as if closure is really important to her. She must realize by now the type of person Armstrong is. This has been cemented by the things he stated during their latest back-and-forth.

For example, he tells her how aware he is in how invested she is in the hospital room incident. He thinks this was the defining moment in her life Is that not the smarmiest, most self-centered thing he's ever said to anyone aside from calling Emma O'Reilly a prostitute? And the unmitigated gall of this slithering rat to have the nerve to say he won't meet her because he doesn't trust her?

Simon Weisenthal, the famous Nazi hunter, wrote a book called "The Sunflower". For those unfamiliar with the premise, Weisenthal recounts how he was called upon to take the confession of a dying German soldier who had participated in atrocities related to the Holocaust. The soldier was looking for forgiveness before he died, and Weisenthal left the room saying absolutely nothing to him.

This is what Armstrong deserves. He deserves no audience from any of the people he hurt and marginalized. They must realize that he doesn't care, that he never cared, and never will. I would tell Betsy and Jonathan Vaughters to move on and stop legitimizing this man's dreadful existence.

We need to move the discussion from Armstrong's psychological state to him getting his comeuppance in court from everyone that wants to sue him, from SCA to all those Livestrong donors who feel jilted by his phony life story, good people who donated money under false pretenses to a phony charity that, like Armstrong, needs to disappear.

As a personal aside, some (not all) of the most successful people I've met in life have a huge disdain for ordinary folks and others who haven't achieved the same level of success in life they have. What some of these cats I'm talking about have in common with Armstrong is an inability to get over the slights of everyday life, where the grudges they hold for not being the big man on campus in high school or not accompanying the prettiest girl to the prom made them into the angry little weasels they are today. Money and fame did not make Armstrong a bitter, vindictive, petty little man. He was always like this.

I find it disturbing that he's still able to manipulate people through the sheer force of the cult of his personality. There is no need to be scared of him anymore. He's officially a nobody who can't even take part in two-bit triathlons because of the stench of his actions. Nobody wants him anymore, yet he still thinks the cycling world can't do without his presence.

His monumental hubris was able to get him what he wanted for years, but not anymore. He is interesting now only as a side-show at your local carnival, along with the bearded lady and the pinheads.

The next time I look up will be when he finally throws Bruyneel and Dr. Ferrari under the bus. Anything outside of that is of no interest to me. And yes, I've had my fun hating on him, but he had it coming to him. He deserves to go to Hell for the manner in which he manipulated the cancer community into making him Cancer Martyr #1, and for that he will get no forgiveness from me, only silence. Betsy Andreu and Jonathan Vaughters need to do likewise, not only for cycling but for themselves.

good post.