Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Dazed and Confused]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/lance-...ho-finished-race/story-fnh34s7u-1226670910752

Wonderboy did not get an invite....

This is mostly a business decision, too much bad publicity.

In reality plenty of riders probably shouldn't get the call either.

On a sporting level, a lottery (when considering the last 25 years of finishers) would have been more appropriate.

Riis and Big Mig in, Armstrong and Landis out.

What about Leipheimer and Hamilton?

Anyway the show must go on.

 

[Night Rider]

Purely on principle I would never ride this climb, too many associations with Pharmstrong and Ferrari. It's not like there is a shortage of climbs over there either

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/06/climbing-the-col-de-la-madone/

 

[hrotha]

Purely on principle I would never ride this climb, too many associations with Pharmstrong and Ferrari. It's not like there is a shortage of climbs over there either

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/06/climbing-the-col-de-la-madone/

That's silly. Why allow those folks to hijack a perfectly fine climb?

 

[blackcat]

has Landis and Will still got warrants out for them in France?

 

[DominicDecoco]

I had no idea he also made a disgraceful smile to the camera as well after the incident. At 1:35

http://natgeotv.com/uk/cyclings-greatest-fraud/videos/never-speak-out

 

[webbie146]

I had no idea he also made a disgraceful smile to the camera as well after the incident. At 1:35

http://natgeotv.com/uk/cyclings-greatest-fraud/videos/never-speak-out

Haha I remember Armstrong joining that break away, I loved it

Purely on principle I would never ride this climb, too many associations with Pharmstrong and Ferrari. It's not like there is a shortage of climbs over there either

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/06/climbing-the-col-de-la-madone/

Hmm I would actually find it interesting to compare my time against Ferrari's machine. Would be interesting to see Froome/Contador do that climb just before the tdf so see how they compare.

 

[hiero2]

You can only know this. You can't know.

Personally, my opinion is that nearly everyone cheated but the numbers are so overwhelming that we'll never know the clean ones.

The clean ones are the ones who's names were not mentioned during Tour coverage because they were not racing there.

I think it is obvious that it was 95% or greater. We do know some of the clean ones - either they didn't make it to the bigs at all, or they got spit on by the rest of the peloton for disturbing the peace. So, yeah, almost everyone, but we DO know some non-cheaters.

 

[Race Radio]

I think it is obvious that it was 95% or greater.

In 98 it is obvious it was less then 50%. Transfusions? 10-15%, maybe?

 

[Fatclimber]

lance showing a little bitterness toward America's only Tour champion:

@kevinrross: @lancearmstrong As tour time nears, I wonder why there aren't also asterisks next to wins in 57, 61-64, 69-72, 74, 83, 84, 97, and 98.

@lancearmstrong: @kevinrross and 86, 89, and 90

 

[Gregga]

In 98 it is obvious it was less then 50%. Transfusions? 10-15%, maybe?

Transfusions in 98 before EPO test ?

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...-armstrong-brise-le-silence_3438032_3242.html

The Tour is starting so lance is hitting the media.

Claims Fuentes program was more sophisticated then Ferrari. Really? Fuentes was a a Gynecologist whose assistant has Alzheimer's so bad he mixed up blood bags.

They should ask Manzano who he thinks was more sophisticated

 

[Race Radio]

Transfusions in 98 before EPO test ?

Sorry, I meant 99 for EPO. The test show a large drop in in use in 99. USPS started using transfusions the number of riders doing it was low

 

[Nick777]

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...-armstrong-brise-le-silence_3438032_3242.html

The Tour is starting so lance is hitting the media.

Claims Fuentes program was more sophisticated then Ferrari. Really? Fuentes was a a Gynecologist whose assistant has Alzheimer's so bad he mixed up blood bags.

They should ask Manzano who he thinks was more sophisticated

Someone seriously needs to get ahold of Lance & tell him to shut up.

It's growing increasingly obvious by the day just why he got himself in such a mess.

 

[Race Radio]

Hinault quick to react to Armstrong interview in Le Monde: "he must not know what it is to ride without doping"

 

[Race Radio]

Lance's big push is that he was never offered a deal. He neglects to mention that none of the riders were offered a deal until they came in an told their story. USADA had to see if their information was of any value before they gave them any deal. They all received a letter just like lance got

http://www.scribd.com/doc/150499171/USADA-invite-to-Lance-Armstrong

All of them chose to talk to USADA, Lance chose to tell USADA to **** off.

Levi talks about the choice here
http://luke.allingham.org/?p=214

we were presented, I say we because of the ten of us or so, with this choice of telling the truth to USADA or not,

The choice was to tell, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, or deny it all. I could never imagine trying to deny it, especially if there was going to be this groundswell of people coming forward. There’s no reason to deny it. Telling the truth was the right way, and the only way, for me.

There was a choice, and it’s obviously been difficult and we’ve been criticized a lot, but in the end, it was the right thing to do for ourselves, and for the sport. I don’t regret that at all.

Was there pressure from USADA, or anyone else, to testify, or was it a willing decision for you?

Like I said, I had the choice. I could either tell them the truth, or say no thanks. That was basically it.

I told the truth, and the rest was out of my hands.

 

[frenchfry]

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...-armstrong-brise-le-silence_3438032_3242.html

The Tour is starting so lance is hitting the media.

Claims Fuentes program was more sophisticated then Ferrari. Really? Fuentes was a a Gynecologist whose assistant has Alzheimer's so bad he mixed up blood bags.

They should ask Manzano who he thinks was more sophisticated

I would think many have competed and even won endurance events without doping, but clearly Lance couldn't have.

"C'est impossible de gagner le Tour de France sans se doper. Car le Tour est une épreuve d'endurance, où l'oxygène est déterminant."

It's impossible to win the TDF without doping. Because the tour is an endurance event, where oxygen is determinant.

Lance the "victim". You would thing he was the only one that was ever sanctioned for doping.

"La 'décision motivée' de l'Usada a parfaitement réussi à détruire la vie d'un homme, mais n'a pas du tout bénéficié au cyclisme."

The USADA reasoned decision succeeded perfectly in destroying one man's life, but was no benefit to cycling.

Why don't you just tell the truth about the UCI then. Or are you hoping to bargain for your own personal interest.

"L'UCI refuse la mise en place d'une commission 'Vérité et réconciliation' parce que le témoignage que le monde voudrait entendre ferait plonger McQuaid, Verbruggen [son prédécesseur] et toute l'institution."

The UCI refuses to have a T&R commission because the revelations everyone would like to hear would sink McQuaid, Verbruggen and the entire institution.

 

[86TDFWinner]

lance showing a little bitterness toward America's only Tour champion:

@kevinrross: @lancearmstrong As tour time nears, I wonder why there aren't also asterisks next to wins in 57, 61-64, 69-72, 74, 83, 84, 97, and 98.

@lancearmstrong: @kevinrross and 86, 89, and 90

Its hysterical to me that he's STILL on the "LeMond doped too" soapbox, but yet neither he, nor the dozens of riders he offered money to "find out dirt" on Greg, they NEVER found anything on Greg doping, nada, zilch. It NEVER worked out.

He STILL hates Greg and yet wonders why he(Wonderboy) is seen as a smarmy, pos, lying doper. No wonder Greg wants nothing to do with him. Funniest part of Wonderboys butthurtness is that he did all of what he did to himself......no one else had a bigger hand in that than Wonderboy.

Greg is back in his rightful spot as the ONLY american to win the TDF, and still remains a cycling icon/legend. Wonderboy is a disgrace. That must really bother him to some extent.

That said, AGAIN, SOMEONE please post any CREDIBLE proof on both Greg and Hainault doping.

 

[horsinabout]

I think it is obvious that it was 95% or greater. We do know some of the clean ones - either they didn't make it to the bigs at all, or they got spit on by the rest of the peloton for disturbing the peace. So, yeah, almost everyone, but we DO know some non-cheaters.

Yes quite - say's it all really!

 

[horsinabout]

Its hysterical to me that he's STILL on the "LeMond doped too" soapbox, but yet neither he, nor the dozens of riders he offered money to "find out dirt" on Greg, they NEVER found anything on Greg doping, nada, zilch. It NEVER worked out.

He STILL hates Greg and yet wonders why he(Wonderboy) is seen as a smarmy, pos, lying doper. No wonder Greg wants nothing to do with him. Funniest part of Wonderboys butthurtness is that he did all of what he did to himself......no one else had a bigger hand in that than Wonderboy.

Greg is back in his rightful spot as the ONLY american to win the TDF, and still remains a cycling icon/legend. Wonderboy is a disgrace. That must really bother him to some extent.

That said, AGAIN, SOMEONE please post any CREDIBLE proof on both Greg and Hainault doping.

When you say "doping" this is a generic term that covers a whole range of performance enhancers. Do you mean specifically "blood doping"? The real game changer drug. Go faster over night without doing anymore training drug

I think that Lemond was clearly anti "blood" doping, so was unlikely to have done this specifically, and it ended his career according to him.

 

[spalco]

He's probably got some company, Landis?

I doubt Ricco or Rasmussen were invited either.

 

[webvan]

Hinault quick to react to Armstrong interview in Le Monde: "he must not know what it is to ride without doping"

Indeed, from L'Express : http://tinyurl.com/ofegx38

Yeah it doesn't sound like LA is too qualified to say if a Tour can be won without doping since he doped for all of his...he does have a point in that in the EPO/Blood doping years you couldn't win one without EPO/Blood Doping, the question is whether it's finished or not...

L'UCI refuse la mise en place d'une commission 'Vérité et réconciliation' parce que le témoignage que le monde voudrait entendre ferait plonger McQuaid, Verbruggen [son prédécesseur] et toute l'institution."

So it sounds like Dopestrong has some info that could destroy McQuaid, Verbruggen and the UCI, huh...what's keeping him from sharing it with the world then? What does he have to lose at this point?

 

[webbie146]

Indeed, from L'Express : http://tinyurl.com/ofegx38

Yeah it doesn't sound like LA is too qualified to say if a Tour can be won without doping since he doped for all of his...he does have a point in that in the EPO/Blood doping years you couldn't win one without EPO/Blood Doping, the question is whether it's finished or not...



So it sounds like Dopestrong has some info that could destroy McQuaid, Verbruggen and the UCI, huh...what's keeping him from sharing it with the world then? What does he have to lose at this point?

How is he not qualified? He's got years of experience.. Personally I don't think u can come even close to winning the tdf without dope, and to me Lance confirmed what I already thought.

 

[hrotha]

Depends on the era. Armstrong fails to make that distinction because he refuses to believe anyone wouldn't stoop down to his level (remember his paranoia about his rivals always being one step ahead?).

 

[webbie146]

Depends on the era. Armstrong fails to make that distinction because he refuses to believe anyone wouldn't stoop down to his level (remember his paranoia about his rivals always being one step ahead?).

I don't think anything has changed. Only thing that has changed is the doping they take.

 

[Benotti69]

Its hysterical to me that he's STILL on the "LeMond doped too" soapbox, but yet neither he, nor the dozens of riders he offered money to "find out dirt" on Greg, they NEVER found anything on Greg doping, nada, zilch. It NEVER worked out.

He STILL hates Greg and yet wonders why he(Wonderboy) is seen as a smarmy, pos, lying doper. No wonder Greg wants nothing to do with him. Funniest part of Wonderboys butthurtness is that he did all of what he did to himself......no one else had a bigger hand in that than Wonderboy.

Greg is back in his rightful spot as the ONLY american to win the TDF, and still remains a cycling icon/legend. Wonderboy is a disgrace. That must really bother him to some extent.

That said, AGAIN, SOMEONE please post any CREDIBLE proof on both Greg and Hainault doping.

Monkeymouth is clinging to the false hope that he is the same as all the others therefore his 7 wins are legitimised in his mind. Thankfully he is wrong.

He is urinating into the wind. Whatever he does from now till the end of his life he will be known as a doper and cheat who was stripped.