Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Dear Wiggo]

ghod
I keep coming back to see if anybody 'won' yet…

wth

fuf ;-)

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

This thread.

Sweet Mother of Jesus...

 

[mewmewmew13]

Now you are going all Star Trek on me.

We are getting new life and new civilizations here...

 

[Granville57]

Now you are going all Star Trek on me.

We are getting new life and new civilizations here...

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I was going to post this on the other Lance thread, but fu*k, it was just too much work.

Good work over there. Brilliant first post, and the subsequent ones have been equally as brilliant!

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

We are getting new life and new civilizations here...

Well Lance did get to Livewrong and prosper...for a while at least.

 

[Alpe73]

The issue in part though is acknowledging the tension and conflict between the idealistic/idealized side and the practical/commercial.

Yep ... the issue in 'big' part.

 

[Alpe73]

Variously described personality disorders and pathologies notwithstanding, if you got all naysay members of the clinic and did a multiple of ten, you would still not amass enough balls to match that of Lance Armstrong and his great rival Marco Pantani. Like it or not, the sport made them. That cannot be changed and should not be changed. It is factual history, not to be refuted.

Zing-za-zing-zing! ... and true

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Poor people get shat on from a great height and left to fester.

Variously described personality disorders and pathologies notwithstanding, if you got all naysay members of the clinic and did a multiple of ten, you would still not amass enough balls to match that of Lance Armstrong and his great rival Marco Pantani. Like it or not, the sport made them. That cannot be changed and should not be changed. It is factual history, not to be refuted.

Trolling feast.

http://youtu.be/J8MLiGvROyE

http://youtu.be/iIGmqrBR4xo

http://youtu.be/epBWsxxwdFE

All three of them.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Poor people get shat on from a great height and left to fester.

Variously described personality disorders and pathologies notwithstanding, if you got all naysay members of the clinic and did a multiple of ten, you would still not amass enough balls to match that of Lance Armstrong and his great rival Marco Pantani. Like it or not, the sport made them. That cannot be changed and should not be changed. It is factual history, not to be refuted.

Trolling feast.

http://youtu.be/J8MLiGvROyE

http://youtu.be/iIGmqrBR4xo

http://youtu.be/epBWsxxwdFE

Zing-za-zing-zing! ... and true

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM7pJGusyJg

 

[Benotti69]

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..... if you got all naysay members of the clinic and did a multiple of ten, you would still not amass enough balls to match that of Lance Armstrong and his great rival Marco Pantani.............

I dont think the majority of the clinic 12 are women, but i could be wrong.

It doesn't take balls to dope when everyone is doping. That is the easy route.

But then you know that and are only trolling.

 

[del1962]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM7pJGusyJg

You gotta love British Army Marching Songs

 

[blackcat]

If that's what I were saying, he and I wouldn't have wasted a morning arguing.

Per what Bro and blackcat say above, the point being that at a certain moment (or several) Armstrong's asshollery became institutional and not just individual.

Doesn't make him blameless, but it means the machinery and nature took on a whole new dimension. Not just one of scale and conspiracy.

but as he is enabled, and as he is encouraged by Weisel et al, he gets more audacious and shameless*
just hanging withn A-types and monied celebrities and bankers normalised the behaviour.

but the multiplier effect your emphasise, is crucial, when he games the system and captures the regulatory body with Hein, it becomes the Game Theory where decent competitors like Jan and Ivan now have to play his game of cutthroat. I see your cutthroat, I match your cutthroat.

Lance could raise your cutthroat ad infinitum


*ok, a sociopath personality cant feel that emotion, but he never had a firebreak on his action. Now he is not there at Oscar afterparty when McConaughey wins the academy for DBC, cos he was "shamed" and rebuffed, without ever getting intimate with the shame part.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Then why address it to me?

Denial doesn't work.

Philosophy:

Consciousness and motivations don't work that way. Moreover, morals and ethics are two separate things...

That distinction in terms of self-awareness as distinct from self-identity is at the heart of what you're trying to--but not quite--articulate

Personal Attacks:

in that convoluted and ultimately circular post.

half of doing so means dealing with inane posts

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1397797&postcount=5203

Please stop.

 

[aphronesis]

Denial doesn't work.

Philosophy:


Personal Attacks:




http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1397797&postcount=5203

Please stop.

Nice selective quoting.

It's not denial if another is posting. Denial, that's a psychological category right. I guess that's ok in this context if you say so? Am I wrong? What's being denied? Agreement with your emphases and lines of questioning? Most times, but doesn't make it denial.

Again, I dealt with the subject of posts made. I did not introduce the philosophical terms. I responded to and expanded on them.

Plenty of personal attacks to go around in this thread. What you quote was a first response to a relatively dense post--especially for this thread--but said nothing about the poster. In fact it took it seriously and then laid out its unarticulated shortcomings. Some people go to school and learn to make and receive that type of criticism--got to get tough skin to deal with it. Both interlocutors among them. Read on, why don't you?

As to the one about inanity, sorry, it's true. And the forum is rife with such posts and others calling their makers out on them. That's part of what makes it a F-O-R-U-M.

More to the point, that was all concluded two days ago. So what's yours?

You want to log in every day and post how Thom Weisel is a bad man, mastermind, tool and it would be so gratifying to see him go down with the crew (unfortunately he's likely too powerful for that to happen)? That's your prerogative. Hardly enlightening, but still your prerogative--don't try to slough the rest of your discomfort off on me. Why don't you please stop?

Good thing you removed your logical fallacies link, though, before telling me it's not a logic forum.....

 

[aphronesis]

but as he is enabled, and as he is encouraged by Weisel et al, he gets more audacious and shameless*
just hanging withn A-types and monied celebrities and bankers normalised the behaviour.

but the multiplier effect your emphasise, is crucial, when he games the system and captures the regulatory body with Hein, it becomes the Game Theory where decent competitors like Jan and Ivan now have to play his game of cutthroat. I see your cutthroat, I match your cutthroat.

Lance could raise your cutthroat ad infinitum


*ok, a sociopath personality cant feel that emotion, but he never had a firebreak on his action. Now he is not their at Oscar afterparty when McConaughey wins the academy for DBC, cos he was "shamed" and bebuffed, without ever getting intimate with the shame part.

Yeah, and in the aftermath of that, outside of the lawsuits, it raises the issue of what his "lying" signifies and serves--even his recollections as in the Pantani tribute. He's not lying about being there, or how he claims to have experienced it, but of course that incontrovertibility is experienced by many as being in conflict with his own myth as it was created.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Nice selective quoting.

It's not denial if another is posting. Denial, that's a psychological category right. I guess that's ok in this context if you say so? Am I wrong? What's being denied? Agreement with your emphases and lines of questioning? Most times, but doesn't make it denial.

Again, I dealt with the subject of posts made. I did not introduce the philosophical terms. I responded to and expanded on them.

Plenty of personal attacks to go around in this thread. What you quote was a first response to a relatively dense post--especially for this thread--but said nothing about the poster. In fact it took it seriously and then laid out its unarticulated shortcomings. Some people go to school and learn to make and receive that type of criticism--got to get tough skin to deal with it. Both interlocutors among them. Read on, why don't you?

As to the one about inanity, sorry, it's true. And the forum is rife with such posts and others calling their makers out on them. That's part of what makes it a F-O-R-U-M.

More to the point, that was all concluded two days ago. So what's yours?

You want to log in every day and post how Thom Weisel is a bad man, mastermind, tool and it would be so gratifying to see him go down with the crew (unfortunately he's likely too powerful for that to happen)? That's your prerogative. Hardly enlightening, but still your prerogative--don't try to slough the rest of your discomfort off on me. Why don't you please stop?

Good thing you removed your logical fallacies link, though, before telling me it's not a logic forum.....

Do you floss after such a huge feed?

 

[aphronesis]

Do you floss after such a huge feed?

The objective would be the opposite. I'm not sure you'll get that, but let's leave it there?

 

[blackcat]

what his "lying" signifies and serves

Lance usually had Bill Stapleton there, with the H-wood and Millionaire entourage, to make the simulcrum reconcile with reality. The minions, the minions, the Oakley reps who could be comfort women. Impulse pathology met his every whim.

--even his recollections as in the Pantani tribute. He's not lying about being there, or how he claims to have experienced it, but of course that incontrovertibility is experienced by many as being in conflict with his own myth as it was created.

now without Nike and robin Williams and power in Stapleton's hands, Lance will be on his lonesome ownsome (sic) to make this reconcile. But I doubt Anna will make him, nor Kik, nor his children, and nor his mom. He'll go to his grave believing his own BS. Good luck getting a psychoanalyst to have him gather introspection.

So, I dont think the mistruths signifies anything, unless you are using him as a subject for a psycological casestudy.

What it serves? Well, it did serve a significant economic apparatus, but the question was, without the law suits, and his endorsements, what does it serve. Well, as I attest, it serves his own mirror understanding. Maybe it serves a category example of how lying can be a lucrative commodity, and how easy it is to manipulate others.

 

[DirtyWorks]

A post on Wonderboy's talk with Steve Tilford shows it's the same old Wonderboy.

http://stevetilford.com/2014/02/17/my-call-with-lance/

Someone posted a comment about the Hincapie article that makes Hincapie's recent interview stranger still.

 

[Race Radio]

A post on Wonderboy's talk with Steve Tilford shows it's the same old Wonderboy.

http://stevetilford.com/2014/02/17/my-call-with-lance/

Someone posted a comment about the Hincapie article that makes Hincapie's recent interview stranger still.

If your theme in life is "Win at all cost" you really should not complain when the bill comes

 

[mewmewmew13]

Interesting article and tilford is usually spot on with his observations.
I can pretty much guess why Lance isn't riding his bike much anymore…he doesn't strike me as having ever loved the sport.

Cycling was his way of getting his 'domination fix' and all the other shiit that is involved in Lances' messed up psyche…
let him go golf.
Maybe he and Tiger Woods can go roll around a few…

 

[Benotti69]

Interesting article and tilford is usually spot on with his observations.
I can pretty much guess why Lance isn't riding his bike much anymore…he doesn't strike me as having ever loved the sport.

Cycling was his way of getting his 'domination fix' and all the other shiit that is involved in Lances' messed up psyche…
let him go golf.
Maybe he and Tiger Woods can go roll around a few…

Yep, he never cared for the sport, that was obvious while he competed.

But he wants to compete and he is obviously a crap golfer so needs to get back to something that Ferrari can 'make' him good at, even if it is masters racing.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Yep, he never cared for the sport, that was obvious while he competed.

'Some guys want to have fun, some want to test their limits, some only want to win. And then there's Lance. He wants to win the handshake' - random triathlete who raced Lance in the late 80s

 

[Granville57]

A post on Wonderboy's talk with Steve Tilford shows it's the same old Wonderboy.

http://stevetilford.com/2014/02/17/my-call-with-lance/

Couldn't be bothered reading all the comments, but most seem to see right through Lance's eternal BS. No one is fooled anymore.

I just don't understand why people simply don't:

1) Hang up on Armstrong.
2) Refuse his calls in the first place.
3) Just tell him to f'ck off.

Lance comparing his situation to John Elway? Oh that is rich.

I thought Tilford completely missed the mark with the Vietnam, Japan and Germany analogies, but I was amused by the fact the he agreed with Lance on the sanctions while totally disagreeing at the same time. He felt that Lance should've been treated the same as VDV, Hincapie and the rest, in that they all should've been given lifetime bans.

However, I'm not sure that "Big George" would all that heartbroken if he wasn't allowed to run the New York or Chicago marathons. Likewise, I doubt that Christian would lose much sleep at the prospect of never competing in an Iron Man.



I anxiously await the headline:


Lance called for an interview...


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