Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Race Radio]

Yes it was---- and I was not taking a shot at ya with my post. I was surprised that someone else done the digging to find it.

I have not seen anything public about TJ and lance Motorpacing prior to the velonews article. I heard about it from a couple folks at the time but didn't mention TJ's name in my post as it would only have resulted in the outrage machine swinging handbags

 

[thehog]

Lance has settled disputes in the past. He's already settled with one insurer, his other sponsors, and the Times. Why isn't he settling this one? Combativeness doesn't seem a satisfactory explanation, given his prior willingness to settle. A better explanation (although also maybe not the correct one) is that Lance cannot afford to settle. There's also the dynamic that Lance doesn't want to have Floyd defeat him--more stubbornness than combativeness.

Perhaps the point lost with many here on the reasons why Armstrong won’t engage in legitimate settlement discussions; is Armstrong would need to discuss/settle with Floyd direct and not the Government per se.

And that’s sweet justice if there ever was such a thing!

 

[Benotti69]

I have not seen anything public about TJ and lance Motorpacing prior to the velonews article. I heard about it from a couple folks at the time but didn't mention TJ's name in my post as it would only have resulted in the outrage machine swinging handbags

Betsy could do a line of outrage handmade swinging handbags....

 

[Race Radio]

Betsy could do a line of outrage handmade swinging handbags....

Only a matter of time before she is on QVC selling them. Just another example of the millions to be made in the witch hunting business

 

[Digger]

Seen as Betsy reads here, I want to ask her, without race radio jumping in, why you think Floyd needs to repay usada...for what? For them not following rules. For breaking chain of custody, for fabricating documents, for breaking their own rules re: Johan and Floyd's case and representation for both...for trying to get Floyd to testify against lance in 06 this rewarding usada for Their own incompetence eventhough jv says he told Tygart about USP back in 04...

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=73450&tp=n

Back in the record books......this time with a line and an astrix

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=73450&tp=n

Back in the record books......this time with a line and an astrix

I think the name with a line across it is more damaging and insulting than leaving it blank.

 

[Race Radio]

I think the name with a line across it is more damaging and insulting than leaving it blank.

Agreed. It makes him look bad. He should sue the ASO for defamation

 

[MarkvW]

Seen as Betsy reads here, I want to ask her, without race radio jumping in, why you think Floyd needs to repay usada...for what? For them not following rules. For breaking chain of custody, for fabricating documents, for breaking their own rules re: Johan and Floyd's case and representation for both...for trying to get Floyd to testify against lance in 06 this rewarding usada for Their own incompetence eventhough jv says he told Tygart about USP back in 04...

Floyd, the lying fraud, made USADA bring all their experts to the hearing, at great expense, for the sole purpose of making the process as expensive as possible--he never even called those experts to testify. This is in keeping with his attempted blackmail of LeMond, his defrauding his fans of thousands of dollars, and his cheating to win the TdF. We can forgive Floyd, but we shouldn't forget.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I have not seen anything public about TJ and lance Motorpacing prior to the velonews article. I heard about it from a couple folks at the time but didn't mention TJ's name in my post as it would only have resulted in the outrage machine swinging handbags

Watch out for falling or swinging handbags!

No I was mentioning the Pictures from Jackobson's account and also posted on the twitt account.

Umm I think you might know what direction I had taken it from before - so I was wrong when I was trying to dig it up remember - I was posting about the pictures linking things with regards to time frame and cyclist it could have been.

 

[Digger]

Floyd, the lying fraud, made USADA bring all their experts to the hearing, at great expense, for the sole purpose of making the process as expensive as possible--he never even called those experts to testify. This is in keeping with his attempted blackmail of LeMond, his defrauding his fans of thousands of dollars, and his cheating to win the TdF. We can forgive Floyd, but we shouldn't forget.

Firstly I was talking about the USADA case - not the other issues which I have already dealt with...I know you don't like Floyd but let's focus on what Betsy said here - that Floyd should repay USADA...for what? for him paying for a court stenographer, 100%, because they said they didn't want one, yet then insisting they get the transcripts each night....just one small example.

You say he basked USADA to bring all these people without any intention of using them...where is your source for this.

Because in the end USADA used PHONE testimony for many of these witnesses....just like they did with other cases.

 

[DirtyWorks]

... eventhough jv says he told Tygart about USP back in 04...

What could USADA do in 04? Please be specific.

Or, you can acknowledge you completely fail to understand how the anti-doping system works, learn about it, then modify your opinions accordingly.

I suggest you go with the latter.

 

[Digger]

What could USADA do in 04? Please be specific.

Or, you can acknowledge you completely fail to understand how the anti-doping system works, learn about it, then modify your opinions accordingly.

I suggest you go with the latter.

Anti doping - here is how it works - selective prosecution of a couple of elite athletes every few years whilst turning a blind eye to the rampant abuse of their competitors - lives destroyed, whilst others enjoy their earnings, for doing the same...no consistency, no fairness, no such thing as the same rules for everyone, no respect from the athletes for these bodies, because of their lack of consistency......yes I understand very well how it works,

 

[thehog]

Anti doping - here is how it works - selective prosecution of a couple of elite athletes every few years whilst turning a blind eye to the rampant abuse of their competitors - lives destroyed, whilst others enjoy their earnings, for doing the same...no consistency, no fairness, no such thing as the same rules for everyone, no respect from the athletes for these bodies, because of their lack of consistency......yes I understand very well how it works,

The right to a fair hearing appears lost on some. Seemingly one should pay for the privilege for a day in court. Even against the legal might of USADA, you should self fund your own defense and then pay for everyone else as well.

How does that work?

Some should perhaps, read the constitution.

 

[DirtyWorks]

The right to a fair hearing appears lost on some. Seemingly one should pay for the privilege for a day in court. Even against the legal might of USADA, you should self fund your own defense and then pay for everyone else as well.

How does that work?

Some should perhaps, read the constitution.

It's called arbitration. Athletes agree to it, and the IOC knew what they were doing by requiring it.


http://www.citizen.org/documents/acf110a.pdf

 

[thehog]

It's called arbitration. Athletes agree to it, and the IOC knew what they were doing by requiring it.


http://www.citizen.org/documents/acf110a.pdf

I'm glad citizen.org takes precedence over the constitution

 

[Digger]

#letlanceride!!!

 

[doperhopper]

#letlanceride!!!

#givethejerseysback!

 

[Benotti69]

#letlanceride!!!

#howaboutbanalldopersfromridingwithmorethan1otherpersonforever



I have not forgotten how Armstrong used his position to take out his rivals and team mates who left, by asking his best buddies at UCI to target test them. And that is the tip of the iceberg of what we all know about this sociopath.

Armstrong was not some simple minded Texan who rode in professional cycling and doped along with the rest.

Stop rewriting Armstrong's history. Guy was a total selfmade******bag who deserves his life ban. Just because others didn't get similar does not lessen what Armstrong did!

Get real.

 

[thehog]

Anti doping - here is how it works - selective prosecution of a couple of elite athletes every few years whilst turning a blind eye to the rampant abuse of their competitors - lives destroyed, whilst others enjoy their earnings, for doing the same...no consistency, no fairness, no such thing as the same rules for everyone, no respect from the athletes for these bodies, because of their lack of consistency......yes I understand very well how it works,

I've always said. Many have to thank what was conducted by Landis during that time.

Whilst some just want to see him as a Lance killer he did aid significantly to the UCI, WADA and CAS coming into form and not being such a closed up shop old boys club.

Still a long way to go mind you...

V. CONCLUSION
Floyd Landis and his mission to take his case public was of value in a
number of ways, including, making the process more transparent, introducing the Wiki defense concept, causing the authorities to re-evaluate questionable practices, and generating substantial support in calling for continued improvement in ensuring process fairness. As one commentator noted, “[w]hile the proceedings may not have given the public a clearer understanding of whether or not Landis is guilty, they did shed some light on the previously mysterious anti-doping judicial process.”His public arbitration process provided an important means for transparency and a measure of accountability on the doping arbitral process.

http://works.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1010&context=maureen_weston

 

[Digger]

I've always said. Many have to thank what was conducted by Landis during that time.

Whilst some just want to see him as a Lance killer he did aid significantly to the UCI, WADA and CAS coming into form and not being such a closed up shop old boys club.

Still a long way to go mind you...



http://works.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1010&context=maureen_weston

Time and time again what he said has turned out to be the case....but it has taken time and will continue to do so...right now travis is the hero is many people's eyes...but things are slowly turning in that regard, and will continue to do so.

let lance ride! people fixated on lance riding, when the guy organising the event doped longer than lance, and negotiated a six month ban, when he was retired...

the issue here isn't doping - it's the selective application of the rules...and the selective application of doping standards to lance...you want to talk smack about lance, go right ahead, but don't profess to be anti doping if this talk doesn't veer away from lance.

The last three tours were every bit as ridiculous as anything lance did, 2013 more so, and yet some people are fixated on lance.
As regards letting lance ride - well it's like this, until there is some semblance of consistency from USADA and others, then let him ride. Because to have travis on his sermon tour, as Horner is looking for another new team is a great indicator.

#letlanceride

 

[thehog]

Time and time again what he said has turned out to be the case....but it has taken time and will continue to do so...right now travis is the hero is many people's eyes...but things are slowly turning in that regard, and will continue to do so.

let lance ride! people fixated on lance riding, when the guy organising the event doped longer than lance, and negotiated a six month ban, when he was retired...

the issue here isn't doping - it's the selective application of the rules...and the selective application of doping standards to lance...you want to talk smack about lance, go right ahead, but don't profess to be anti doping if this talk doesn't veer away from lance.

The last three tours were every bit as ridiculous as anything lance did, 2013 more so, and yet some people are fixated on lance.
As regards letting lance ride - well it's like this, until there is some semblance of consistency from USADA and others, then let him ride. Because to have travis on his sermon tour, as Horner is looking for another new team is a great indicator.

#letlanceride

Considering LeMond refused to answer questions from Landis's counsel thus dismissing his entire testimony (although USADA used LeMond's testimony in their cross of Landis), Papp's effort was also dismissed as he also refused to state why he was even there, the 2 French lab technicians refused to speak English and the translator was sacked because they couldn't actually speak French(!) and all of sudden time was up! No chance.

I'm not sure where MarkW got his information from but Landis didn't waste anyone's time. USADAs experts took a good portion of the nine days up delivering very slow and dull information.

LeMond would have been compelled to testify under civil procedure rules but within the USADA hearing he refused to answer.

2-1 at the end of that wasn't bad for Landis. CAS was even worse. They fined Landis $100,000 for criticizing the lab! Even when the lab technician changed her testimony after a short recess (and some crying).

And at the end of that some want Landis to pay USADA?

Scary.

 

[Digger]

Considering LeMond refused to answer questions from Landis's counsel thus dismissing his entire testimony (although USADA used LeMond's testimony in their cross of Landis), Papp's effort was also dismissed as he also refused to state why he was even there, the 2 French lab technicians refused to speak English and the translator was sacked because they couldn't actually speak French(!) and all of sudden time was up! No chance.

I'm not sure where MarkW got his information from but Landis didn't waste anyone's time. USADAs experts took a good portion of the nine days up delivering very slow and dull information.

LeMond would have been compelled to testify under civil procedure rules but within the USADA hearing he refused to answer.

2-1 at the end of that wasn't bad for Landis. CAS was even worse. They fined Landis $100,000 for criticizing the lab! Even when the lab technician changed her testimony after a short recess (and some crying).

And at the end of that some want Landis to pay USADA?

Scary.

The two one is inevitable from the start...as indeed this was...as they accidentally sent our the decision before it was over.
But it's inevitable because the third arbitrator knows it's in his Interests to side with usada in terms of future roles like this. The third one is always incredibly well connected and close to the original first arbitrator. So it's literally rigged from the outset. The leaked emails with the decision prior to the end of the case is another example...

Yes let's get Floyd to repay usada. What absolute drivel.

 

[thehog]

The two one is inevitable from the start...as indeed this was...as they accidentally sent our the decision before it was over.
But it's inevitable because the third arbitrator knows it's in his Interests to side with usada in terms of future roles like this. The third one is always incredibly well connected and close to the original first arbitrator. So it's literally rigged from the outset. The leaked emails with the decision prior to the end of the case is another example...

Yes let's get Floyd to repay usada. What absolute drivel.

The Lance undertones were there at the trial. LeMond was clearly more so there for Lamce revenge and refused to answer questions. Papp was selling drugs on the side even thigh he was pretending to be reformed and these two were the star witnesses for USADA?

Lab procedures were circumvented, not recorded and done manually with several retires obtain the desired result. Travis was offering Landis deals for Armstrong's head even though the case had nothing to do with Armstrong.

Across the other side of the country Vaughters was writing affidavits that there no doping at USPS (in 2005) helping him to $7m of phoney money.

The sadening part of it all is the cottage industry that has popped up since 2010 in reaping rewards from the downfall of Armstrong. Whilst the catalyst of it all is asked to pay more than he already has?

Pointless.

 

[MonkeyFace]

#givethejerseysback!

#GiveBackTheCutYouTookFromAllTheLivestrongDonations