Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[D-Queued]

Yep. You one of those that celebrates the autism of Cadel? Or is your outrage partial?

Don't mean to come on as paternal, but we shouldn't bandy about terms like 'autism' carelessly given the real issues that real people with such diagnoses really have.

Dave.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Yep. You one of those that celebrates the autism of Cadel? Or is your outrage partial?

Is that a comment intended to provoke someone into sparring with you?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Please stop these disgusting smears on a person just because of how he speaks. The man knows more about cycling than 99.99% of posters here.

He also knows more about doping than 100% of the people here...

 

[Hugh Januss]

Yep.Bla bla bla.

The Bore is back, Team Sky is safe ........for now.

 

[doperhopper]

I agree with Sean Yates, the treatment of Uniballer's case was really extremely unfair - to the clean guys like Bassons, throughout the years and years of the whole carrier full of Strong Lies, and even afterwards (he should go straight away to jail, at least in some countries he would).

 

[blackcat]

Yep. You one of those that celebrates the autism of Cadel? Or is your outrage partial?

Don't mean to come on as paternal, but we shouldn't bandy about terms like 'autism' carelessly given the real issues that real people with such diagnoses really have.

Dave.

no, that was me,and I was quick to admit, I needed to add an asterisk because i was in no way qualified, inverted qualification, zip, zero, zilch, pop culcha psychology. I was using more as metaphor, for tin-ear, politically bereft on the sporting plane.

but not celebrate. my analysis was actually more in depth on the physiological metrics. And if you look at the thread that Dear Wiggo and I were prominent in, it may have been the Ferrari-Evans OP from me. search for specific poster <blackcat> and search <Evans> in <title only> and go from there.

It was a pretty good thread.

re: politically astute? if Evans went to Rominger and tested with Ferrari he only has himself to blame. HEcould blame the sport, and I could have empathy for that sentiment. But, he was under Rominger, and he tested with Ferrari. so.... my stupid pop culcha psychological diagnosis which I was upfront in asserting that was all it was, some stupid forum posts, in all ways irrelevant, the fact that a clean rider would have some tie to Ferrari and under the management of Rominger, one must question their judgement.

and if you think I am unduly harsh on Evans, just search for all my posts on cuddles, i have brooked no fear nor favour.

 

[blackcat]

Is that a comment intended to provoke someone into sparring with you?

bingo. twas successful

 

[MarkvW]

no, that was me,and I was quick to admit, I needed to add an asterisk because i was in no way qualified, inverted qualification, zip, zero, zilch, pop culcha psychology. I was using more as metaphor, for tin-ear, politically bereft on the sporting plane.

but not celebrate. my analysis was actually more in depth on the physiological metrics. And if you look at the thread that Dear Wiggo and I were prominent in, it may have been the Ferrari-Evans OP from me. search for specific poster <blackcat> and search <Evans> in <title only> and go from there.

It was a pretty good thread.

re: politically astute? if Evans went to Rominger and tested with Ferrari he only has himself to blame. HEcould blame the sport, and I could have empathy for that sentiment. But, he was under Rominger, and he tested with Ferrari. so.... my stupid pop culcha psychological diagnosis which I was upfront in asserting that was all it was, some stupid forum posts, in all ways irrelevant, the fact that a clean rider would have some tie to Ferrari and under the management of Rominger, one must question their judgement.

and if you think I am unduly harsh on Evans, just search for all my posts on cuddles, i have brooked no fear nor favour.

Now that's hysterical. Don't you go diagnosing anybody as "sociopath" or "psychopath" now!

 

[Benotti69]

His behaviour should preclude any apologist drivel, that is what I meant.

Sometimes the bare truth is simple, and can be effective in countering the smoke and mirrors kind of crap idiots like Yates put forth.

Please stop these disgusting smears on a person just because of how he speaks. The man knows more about cycling than 99.99% of posters here.

Yates defending Armstrong makes Yates an idiot. Now where does anyone mention his speech impediment?

 

[thehog]

Yates defending Armstrong makes Yates an idiot. Now where does anyone mention his speech impediment?

I agree with Boar. Yates does know cycling. He knows it very well. He knows how performances are gained. He's no idiot. He was the Dad Lance never had.

 

[MarkvW]

Yates defending Armstrong makes Yates an idiot. Now where does anyone mention his speech impediment?

If Yates is an idiot, then why does a professional cycling team hire him? Is the team management "idiotic," also?

 

[frenchfry]

If Yates is an idiot, then why does a professional cycling team hire him? Is the team management "idiotic," also?

Kind of like the difference between "intelligent" and "smart".

Some really "intelligent" people are really "stupid".

In other words, you can know a lot about doping and still be an idiot.

 

[patricknd]

Now that's hysterical. Don't you go diagnosing anybody as "sociopath" or "psychopath" now!

I thought I was the only one that saw that

are you telling me that reading the dsm doesn't make you qualified to diagnose any manner of disorder?

 

[mewmewmew13]

bingo. twas successful

definition of success dependent on how desperate

 

[thehog]

If Yates is an idiot, then why does a professional cycling team hire him? Is the team management "idiotic," also?

Yates knows his cycling. He was the only guy at Sky who did. I think it's awesome how Oleg has hired him. The guy still rides with a heart condition and probably the after effects of PED use from the 90s. Hardcore.

 

[blackcat]

I agree with Boar. Yates does know cycling. He knows it very well. He knows how performances are gained. He's no idiot. He was the Dad Lance never had.

thas Gunderson silly

 

[MarkvW]

Kind of like the difference between "intelligent" and "smart".

Some really "intelligent" people are really "stupid".

In other words, you can know a lot about doping and still be an idiot.

In other words, you can be not an idiot and still be an idiot?

 

[DirtyWorks]

I agree with Boar. Yates does know cycling. He knows it very well. He knows how performances are gained. He's no idiot. He was the Dad Lance never had.

WHAT!!!????

That's Carmichael!!!!


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'Ok, maybe not. Carmichael would be the creepy predator Uncle.
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How about Wiesel? No.. Creepy predator Father.
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What a freak show.

 

[D-Queued]

Getting back to this post from thehog:

That's more like it...

Former Discovery Channel and Team Sky sporting director Sean Yates tells BBC South East Today that disgraced cyclist and former team-mate Lance Armstrong has been unfairly treated.

American Armstrong, 43, was stripped of his record seven Tour de France titles and banned from sport for life by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (Usada) in August 2012 following a doping scandal.

Yates rode with a young Armstrong at Motorola and, after moving into coaching, was reunited with the American at Discovery in 2005, when Armstrong won the last of his seven now rescinded titles.

The duo also worked together in 2009 at Astana.

Yates says Armstrong was "a stand-out figure" who was "hunted down" and "took the brunt of the blame" in the drugs scandal of 2012.

Yates, 54, will return to the Tour de France in 2015 after he joined Tinkoff-Saxo as a sports director.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/cycling/31454928

Rollthedice has something here:

He is in good company at Oleg's. Apart from Jullich there's another DS, Patxi Vila who tested positive for testosterone in 2008 during his illustrious career and Daniel Healey former BMC who was "head of nutrition from 2008 to 2012 for New Zealand's high-performance sports system". A quick google search reveals this:



Oleg will kick some Sky a** this year.

When Yates left Sky, he noted that the reasons were due to

1. His health
2. That Brailsford couldn't extinguish the flames of controversy surrounding Yates and doping

Not necessarily in that order, of course:

Speaking to The Times, who published an extract of his book, Yates reveals in his book how the Team Sky manager Dave Brailsford struggled to defend Yates's position on the team against the insinuations. Combined with health issues - Yates has had two strokes and a pacemaker fitted - it was enough to convince him to walk away from one of the best team in professional cycling.

In joining Tinkoff-Saxo, then, it is inescapable that both of these issues must be reconciled.

Presumably his health is still an issue.

Ergo, Yates must have a green light to be involved in doping controversy. Otherwise, it would be bad for his health.

So, yes, safe to conclude that the doping force is strong with this one.

Dave.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Walsh reporting on twitter that Armstrong is ordered to pay SCA $10 million.

 

[D-Queued]

Walsh reporting on twitter that Armstrong is ordered to pay SCA $10 million.

About time.

Have heard the news was coming for weeks now.

Dave.

 

[D-Queued]

Its official:

Lance Armstrong loses $10 million arbitration ruling

My favorite part:

Armstrong's attorney, Tim Herman, declined comment.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

About time.

Have heard the news was coming for weeks now.

Dave.

I'm sure you heard before the panel decided

$10m is low. I thought it was meant to be $12m+

Armstrong will likely appeal to the courts.

AUSTIN, Texas ? A three-man arbitration panel has ordered Lance Armstrong and Tailwind Sports to pay $10 million in a fraud dispute with a promotions company.

Dallas-based SCA Promotions announced the 2-1 ruling against the former cyclist on Monday when it asked a Texas state court to confirm the arbitration decision.

SCA paid Armstrong about $12 million in bonuses during his career, when he won seven Tour de France titles. Those victories were stripped away after Armstrong and his U.S. Postal Service teams were found to have used performance-enhancing drugs.

SCA disputed bonuses in arbitration in 2005, and the case produced the foundation of the doping evidence that was used against him. After Armstrong's cheating was exposed, SCA sued to get its money back.

Armstrong's attorney, Tim Herman, declined comment.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/lance-armstrong-loses-10-million-arbitration-ruling-28999829

 

[ebandit]

Armstrong will likely appeal to the courts.

bound to..............why should he pay it back..............everyone lies in

court but they are all only out to get poor 'lil lance

Mark L

 

[Bluenote]

I'm sure you heard before the panel decided

$10m is low. I thought it was meant to be $12m+

Armstrong will likely appeal to the courts.



http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/lance-armstrong-loses-10-million-arbitration-ruling-28999829

The courts declined to intervene before, feeling that it was a matter for arbitration. Armstrong tried all the way up to the Texas Supreme Court and was rejected at every turn. Unless Armstrong can show that the Arbitration Panel broke its own rules and seriously violated his rights, it's very unlikely that the courts will intervein.