Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

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Post by Dave may be post of the evening! or what ever time zone..
and it warmed my heart to see Och included in the festivities finally
yes! bring it on Lance! I hope you are having a good time reading here tonight...please throw Stapleton under the bus and how about adding a little more Weisel for fun
whooohooo

Thanks.



Not quite done yet, though.

While I realize thehog has been going back-and-forth here I am not trying to single him out specifically. However, other parts of this particular post also caught my attention:

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I think its coming down to the fact that when Frankie was a single guy living the dream, doping was fine by him. Career long use of Cortisone, kept EPO in his fridge, he showed Hincapie how to dope etc. ...

That old saw about Hincapie has always seemed out of place and out of character for both of those guys.

After all, Lance and George have been about as close as any two cyclists you can think of. But George and Frankie?

Really?

So, consider the timeline.

Big George joined Motorola in 1994, well after Lance and a year after the Thrift Drug triple crown. As noted, it is pretty clear that "Le Boss" was already Le Boss by that time even though the reference to that specific nickname comes from Fotheringham's "Its All About the Bike" in 2011.

By the time George arrived, Lance was well practiced at buying victory. Oddly, dear old Hein Verbruggen had assured the cycling community that intentional race throwing had been eliminated the year before the triple crown.

But, I digress.

What else had Lance been up to by the time George showed up?

According to Wade Exum, and Don Catlin, among others, we know that there were at least three suspicious T/E tests before dear old George showed up. the dates on those suspicious tests? 1993 (9:1), 1994 (7:1) and 1996 (6.5:1). That was when the critical ratio was 6:1. Notably there were also five test results between 1990 and 1993 that were never recovered.

Sure looks like Lance was dipping into the Testosterone jar before George showed up.

And then there is that darn old Chris Comical connection, and his extracts of cortisone.

Hmmm. Just hmmm.

Some folks are trying to paint dear old Frankie as the ringleader of everything. Darn if there is lots of conflicting evidence, though. Darn if Lance wasn't already confirmed as the ringleader we know from his personality that he was driven to be.

Darn if there isn't any evidence of Frankie's use of Testosterone, though. Not like Lance. Not like Lance at all. Frankie never could measure up against Lance, now could he?

Yes, it sure would be nice one of these days if Lance really came clean about the Thrift Drug classic.

And, just for fun, it would really be nice if Lance also came clean about all of his doping at least as far back as 1990. Oh sure, one of these days he might as well tell us about the Triathlon years as well. For someone who cannot stop lying, it becomes a real puzzle to try and figure out when he started.

Though it is a bit off topic, but wouldn't it also be nice if George ever told us the whole truth on his doping as well?

Just because.

Dave.

 

[Digger]

Hard to keep track - lance is lying about everything except the race fixing and who organised it - cortisone isn't really doping anymore which is interesting to those who take it and the how powerful it is - and walsh was right about everything else with lance but was wrong about the race fixing and who did it.

That's quite the tight rope some of you are on.

 

[Digger]

for me it's clear that lance went back in time and made Frankie take testosterone - johan and lance - in a marty mcfly doc brown type scene - lance we got to go back to 1984 and get Frankie to take cortisone.

See it's never Frankie's fault - it's always lance...i

 

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Hard to keep track - lance is lying about everything except the race fixing and who organised it - cortisone isn't really doping anymore which is interesting to those who take it and the how powerful it is - and walsh was right about everything else with lance but was wrong about the race fixing and who did it.

That's quite the tight rope some of you are on.

I'd be happy to universally and categorically believe Walsh about everything he has written. Whether I find it easy to believe or not is beside the point. It would make life simpler.

Oddly, some others don't seem to believe what he has to say about Team Sky.

You are right, though. It does get confusing.

Dave.

 

[MarkvW]

It is possible to see Armstrong as a nasty piece of work (or even a psychopath as some amateur Clinic psychologists diagnose him) and still see Frankie Andreu as an ordinary doping cyclist.

I have yet to see anyone refer to Andreu as a "junkie" seriously. But Betsy Andreu uses that term in her arguments, though. Looks like the Andreu choir is up and running on the clinic again.

"That said, would we want the financial glory or want know that we did the right thing and did not waver? So you choose the peace within or you choose the financial. We could have had a lot of money had Frankie become a junkie and had Frankie lied for Lance under oath."

http://www.businessinsider.com/betsy-andreu-interview-lance-armstrong-tour-de-france-2015-7

"Frankie never taught George to dope and never became the junkie that he and Armstrong became," Betsy Andreu said. "Frankie's life in the sport is in the USADA report - there's nothing more to it as Hincapie and Armstrong would like people to believe."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hincapie-claims-theres-more-to-andreus-doping-past/

That's bull, Dana. Frankie came forward on his own volition and was decimated for doing so (2006 NYT). His career as a pro was derailed by Lance and Johan for NOT getting on lance's doping program and becoming a junkie like Lance's 01-05 Tour teams. The price he paid was a shortened career.
I don't control Frankie nor does he control me. I was against the doping from the beginning and my stance became a liability for us. I was never quiet from the moment I was in that hospital room. The problem was with people - the media in particular - not listening to what I had to say. And now you blame me?
Frankie did a few limited speaking events that he did not put on which centered on bike racing. I question the amount you paid. I was vocal from the beginning. People saw what lance did to his two biggest critics - me and Greg LeMond - and refused to believe us.
Where were you in 1999 Dana?
betsy andreu

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/toronto-filmmaker-alex-gibney-says-624072

 

[Race Radio]

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for me it's clear that lance went back in time and made Frankie take testosterone - johan and lance - in a marty mcfly doc brown type scene - lance we got to go back to 1984 and get Frankie to take cortisone.

See it's never Frankie's fault - it's always lance...i

Frankie says his career started in 84. He makes no mention of doping in 84. He says he moved to Europe then says the doping started. he does not give a date but it is clear it was after he moved to Europe......not 10 years earlier as some here are trying to claim

He also does not mention Test.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Lance could be lying but I doubt it

Translation: what LA said chimes with my worldview even without me having to warp reality to force the fit so it must be the truth even if he is a pants on fire lying liar who tells so many lies I wouldn't even believe him if he told me his name was Lance Armstrong.

 

[thehog]

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It is possible to see Armstrong as a nasty piece of work (or even a psychopath as some amateur Clinic psychologists diagnose him) and still see Frankie Andreu as an ordinary doping cyclist.

I have yet to see anyone refer to Andreu as a "junkie" seriously. But Betsy Andreu uses that term in her arguments, though. Looks like the Andreu choir is up and running on the clinic again.

"That said, would we want the financial glory or want know that we did the right thing and did not waver? So you choose the peace within or you choose the financial. We could have had a lot of money had Frankie become a junkie and had Frankie lied for Lance under oath."

http://www.businessinsider.com/betsy-andreu-interview-lance-armstrong-tour-de-france-2015-7

"Frankie never taught George to dope and never became the junkie that he and Armstrong became," Betsy Andreu said. "Frankie's life in the sport is in the USADA report - there's nothing more to it as Hincapie and Armstrong would like people to believe."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hincapie-claims-theres-more-to-andreus-doping-past/

That's bull, Dana. Frankie came forward on his own volition and was decimated for doing so (2006 NYT). His career as a pro was derailed by Lance and Johan for NOT getting on lance's doping program and becoming a junkie like Lance's 01-05 Tour teams. The price he paid was a shortened career.
I don't control Frankie nor does he control me. I was against the doping from the beginning and my stance became a liability for us. I was never quiet from the moment I was in that hospital room. The problem was with people - the media in particular - not listening to what I had to say. And now you blame me?
Frankie did a few limited speaking events that he did not put on which centered on bike racing. I question the amount you paid. I was vocal from the beginning. People saw what lance did to his two biggest critics - me and Greg LeMond - and refused to believe us.
Where were you in 1999 Dana?
betsy andreu

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/toronto-filmmaker-alex-gibney-says-624072

Thanks Mark, noted the same. The term 'junkie' is thrown in for effect whilst it was never used by Armstrong.

However thanks to Lance we are now aware of Frankie previously undisclosed career long cortisone use. That was quite an admission that USADA failed to pick up on.

It puts the entire 'hospital room incident' in to context now. If Lance did in fact blurt out the list of drugs then Frankie failed to mention at the time he was also using the same cocktail.

The finger is pointed at the guy having brain surgery not the guy in the room who was also using cortisone

 

[IndianCyclist]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

Maybe he'll just answer the questions asked of him under oath.

It's my understanding that's what people do during depostions

Lance can only talk when forced to by the Feds? ......Bummer

My guess is that this is another tactical marketing piece to keep interest alive in LA. Otherwise should have revealed everything long ago after oprah

 

[Race Radio]

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Lance could be lying but I doubt it

Translation: what LA said chimes with my worldview even without me having to warp reality to force the fit so it must be the truth even if he is a pants on fire lying liar who tells so many lies I wouldn't even believe him if he told me his name was Lance Armstrong.

Nah. I don't doubt that Frankie may have said something during one of the early races in the series, but it has been well documented by those involved who negotiated the deal.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-testimony-claims-jim-ochowicz-behind-1993-triple-crown-victory/

 

[Race Radio]

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After reading Frankie's mangled quote on Cyclingnews it is understandable why some are confused. He is trying to give a chronology of his career

*joined 7-Eleven in 1984
*raced in Europe
*was given cortisone after bad crashes by the team doctor
*was given it by a team doctor before a couple races but
*was 29 when I first took EPO.
*out of the sport at 32


He not saying doped in 1984, he says he started after he moved to Europe. Technically Frankie is correct, he did not dope for the majority of his career. Regardless of how many years he still cheated, and that is wrong. Frankie agrees

doping a lot or a little is wrong.

On a positive note it is nice to see Lance is no longer in Omerta mode. Who will be the next rider he calls out on Twitter? While Keven livingston would be interesting I would rather see something on those folks who claim that doping ended in 2006

 

[Ramon Koran]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

After reading Frankie's mangled quote on Cyclingnews it is understandable why some are confused. He is trying to give a chronology of his career

*joined 7-Eleven in 1984
*raced in Europe
*was given cortisone after bad crashes by the team doctor
*was given it by a team doctor before a couple races but
*was 29 when I first took EPO.
*out of the sport at 32


He not saying doped in 1984, he says he started after he moved to Europe. Technically Frankie is correct, he did not dope for the majority of his career. Regardless of how many years he still cheated, and that is wrong. Frankie agrees

doping a lot or a little is wrong.

On a positive note it is nice to see Lance is no longer in Omerta mode. Who will be the next rider he calls out on Twitter? While Keven livingston would be interesting I would rather see something on those folks who claim that doping ended in 2006

Hopefully Contador just to close that debate once and for all.

 

[thehog]

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Hard to keep track - lance is lying about everything except the race fixing and who organised it - cortisone isn't really doping anymore which is interesting to those who take it and the how powerful it is - and walsh was right about everything else with lance but was wrong about the race fixing and who did it.

That's quite the tight rope some of you are on.

It couldn't be anymore hilarious. Clean Frankie finally fesses up about his cortisone use after Armstrong named him in a deposition.

But don't worry, it's ok, it was only a little of cortisone and he's not a junkie like Lance

It's too funny for words. If cortisone was ok, Frankie would have admitted to taking it years ago but he kept quiet on that one because it didn't fit in with the story.

I'm looking forward to the next instalment. Maybe Walsh will chime in!

 

[WildspokeJoe]

Isn't all of this nuancing a little irrelevant? Andreu cheated. You can't be a little pregnant.

I'm trying to see what narrative each side is trying to spin?
Is Lance just saying he was a young naive victim - that got pulled into the web by older riders/managers.
Does Andreu not want to admit to more doping because it would create a possible wedge with his wife?

Regardless of either side, I hope Lance scorches the earth. Implicates Indruain and Contador.

 

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Didn't Scott McKinley deny this happened with Frankie?

Dude for real? These guys all on the cort back then no doubt and it was legal in some sense when it comes to playing the game as Race Radio also said. It is what it is. THESE DIRTY ***** are all playing the GAME all the TIME and we get played, unless you see it for what it is. The rest is just some Biach's playing the rest of us to give 2 **** when we should be out of *** to give. Honestly Should we care?

Hey DAVE and RACE who is whitewashing WHO? WE are all to lose.

all we now is coleslaw and the merry band of the dirty dozen to freeze in.

Hi Glenn,

Thanks for reaching out.

Between us, I'm still confused why all this is being discussed here. What do you think about whether or not the Frankie stuff should to to the Frankie thread?

And, what about discussing the Betsy stuff to the Betsy thread?

Maybe even the Hincapie stuff to the Hincapie thread?

Etc.

If we are going to bring up the Thrift Classic, and the $1m (which somehow thehog has now decided was the Coors $1m) then the biggest elephant in that room is the lack of admission by Lance. Any other innuendo pales in comparison.

And, if we are talking about early drug use, then wouldn't it be nice to have Lance provide us with some actual honesty about his early use? Sure must be fun for Lance to sling *** at other folks instead of coming clean himself.

Glenn, you expressed some ire regarding the $1m heist.

But who was the real bag man? Who was really behind the con?

Why don't we ask the guy that received $100k?

Armstrong bought "Million Dollar" Triple Crown victory, claims Gaggioli

Mercatone Uno and Coors Light riders received payments

Speaking to Corriere della Seraand the Italian magazine Cycling Pro, Gaggioli revealed how Armstrong - by then world champion - arrived at his room in a hotel in Bergamo in October of that year and paid out the fee in cash. “It was a young American colleague [at the door]. He gave me a cake wrapped as a present, wished me ‘Happy Christmas' and then left,” Gaggioli said. “There was $100,000 dollars in small bills in the box. That colleague was Lance Armstrong.”

For further clarification:

“Lance approached me before the start [in Philadelphia]. He said that my team, Coors Light, was in agreement and spoke to me about the compensation: $100,000,” said Gaggioli.

thehog would have us believe that this entire thing was Frankie's brainchild.

That is the true fiction, and that is simply not credible.

I wonder if Gaggioli even knew who Frankie was.

Dave.

Hi Dave

Lets be real *** clear here. I was not discussing Betsy.

I was discussing the transcripts that were released with respect to Frankie's drug use and the Thrift bonus.
Now we know for a FACT that it was all a scam a big fat inside job.

With respect to Frankie and him using Cort from the old days. Is anyone surprised? I did not call him a Junkie and I don't think anyone else did either. Should we discuss this in his own thread well yeah if that is all we discuss and not the fact that it was testimony from a depo by Lance. That part of the convo belongs here.

RaceRadio - Lance is in the wrong for putting that stuff out there like that on twitter. The way I was reading this tread though was - No one really was paying much attention to that until the Multicolored fish wrap asked for comments based on the Deposition transcripts. I still see it that way.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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Isn't all of this nuancing a little irrelevant? Andreu cheated. You can't be a little pregnant.

I'm trying to see what narrative each side is trying to spin?
Is Lance just saying he was a young naive victim - that got pulled into the web by older riders/managers.
Does Andreu not want to admit to more doping because it would create a possible wedge with his wife?

Regardless of either side, I hope Lance scorches the earth. Implicates Indruain and Contador.

I agree with what you say to the bolded.

You have to read this thread as if a family just had a divorce. The divorce came when Lance was busted once and for all. One part of the Dirty Dozen said cycling was finally clean now without Lance telling everyone else to dope and creating a arms race. The other side refused to believe that it could only be just Lance who done and caused everything.

The other interesting part of the saga is that Lance did have one of the most bullying and controlled doping systems that had ever been organized in Cycling. It creates for some awesome side notes to wonder how deep did the rabbit hole go. Who was on the take within the UCI / USCYCLING etc.

Both of these divorced sides are not willing to give up their positions and love to hate on each other for all of us to read.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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After reading Frankie's mangled quote on Cyclingnews it is understandable why some are confused. He is trying to give a chronology of his career

*joined 7-Eleven in 1984
*raced in Europe
*was given cortisone after bad crashes by the team doctor
*was given it by a team doctor before a couple races but
*was 29 when I first took EPO.
*out of the sport at 32

Frankie gave the following chronology to USADA:

11. A brief history of my cycling career follows.
12. I began my amateur cycling career as a member of the Wolverine Sports Club.
13. I won the individual pursuit at the 1984 Junior National Track Cycling Championships.
14. In 1985 I placed first in the Madison at the National Track Cycling Championships in Indianapolis, Indiana and second in the points race and team pursuit.
15. In 1988 I was a member of the US Olympic Team and placed eighth in the points race at the Olympic Games in Seoul, South Korea.
16. I was also a member of the 1996 US Olympic Team and finished fourth in the road race during the 1996 Olympic Games in Atalanta, Georgia.
17. I rode for the following professional teams: 7 Eleven (1989—1990). Motorola (1991-1996), Cofidis (1997), US Postal Service (1998-2000).

For him to have started on EPO aged 29, that would mean it was 1995 or so (he was born in 1966) which fits with the established timeline. But for him to have retired aged 32 he would have had to quit in 1998 yet we all know he was racing through to 2000. Yes, there is confusion in what the man said to CN, but I don't think it's the quote that has been "mangled". It's the truth.

I'm sure it'll all be much clearer when we get to see the contents of Andreu's deposition.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

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It is possible to see Armstrong as a nasty piece of work (or even a psychopath as some amateur Clinic psychologists diagnose him) and still see Frankie Andreu as an ordinary doping cyclist.

I have yet to see anyone refer to Andreu as a "junkie" seriously. But Betsy Andreu uses that term in her arguments, though. Looks like the Andreu choir is up and running on the clinic again...

Welcome to the Andreu hate machine that has her talking points encapsulated into charged words and inflammatory terms then pounded into the public using the age old technique of the propagandist, repetition of a simple and memorable message. Thus from her and her chief flunky there is the constant use of the word junkie. Million Dollar Heist gets capitalized for emphasis. Another favorite is manipulation, which Betsy constantly uses in interviews to discount anything Armstrong says that adds nuance to the doping landscape. That last is ironic. Manipulation of the public is precisely what she and her online followers are engaged in and is the tactic she and LeMond claim Lance used to victimize them. She is a hypocrite of the most nauseating kind, the type that wear a mask of piety.

The charged word strategy is why Betsy and her pod people have to minimize Frankie's culpability because the terms she uses to tar Lance and those who remain his friends can be fairly applied to her husband.

She and her followers have tried to get around this with a Clintonesque parsing of language. After portraying a race deal as an Oceans 11-like casino robbery, they cut Frankie out of the story by saying he did not "negotiate" the deal. But negotiation was not his part. The record is clear in multiple accounts that were given before Andreu's sycophants had an interest in minimizing Frankie's involvement. Frankie made the initial offer to Team Coors. After deciding that no one on the team was capable of challenging Lance, Coors finalized the deal with Anderson. The team got the best it could out of the day, the essence of being a professional cyclist. Frankie was fully aware of the deal, facilitated the deal, and collected money from deal. In short, Frankie is an insurance fraudster.

The dodge around Frankie doping the majority of his career has become so absurd that by next week he'll be using the purchase of his boyhood tricycle to say he only doped for a fraction of his time on the bike while pretending cortisone use before races in the 80s is not really doping in the same way that using EPO but retiring before the EPO test forced the move to transfusions means he was not really part of the Postal program. The hallmark of a junkie is someone who refuses to admit his drug use, limits acknowledgement of its extent, or rationalizes it. We obviously have that with Frankie, so let's call him what he is, a junkie.

Making charged words the centerpiece of the Andreus' propaganda strategy does seem to have a slight flaw, doesn't it? Of course, with hypocrites you expect that flaw.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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btw it's so nice to get the band back together..





edit: LOL

Yipppee

The one thing I hope is if Lance is going to burn it all down he does not stop with Frankie. I hope he goes after Stapleton. That I want to see.

There have been books written, movies made, more depos to come. In the end the facts will be clear and most will not care if Frankie started in 94 or 95....... but if Lance puts together a cohesive story that details the actions of a lot of people it will be interesting and people will listen

Please consider the source before rushing into another maze of lies and deception.

According to Lance he didn't know nothun' about no bike race fixin and just went along with it.... Uh huh. We know he didn't act alone. We can be pretty sure most of USA Cycling was involved in the deception since Armstrong was so beloved by the federation and Wiesel.

I wonder what the calculations were to throw Och under a bus...... that left years ago.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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It is possible to see Armstrong as a nasty piece of work (or even a psychopath as some amateur Clinic psychologists diagnose him) and still see Frankie Andreu as an ordinary doping cyclist.

I have yet to see anyone refer to Andreu as a "junkie" seriously. But Betsy Andreu uses that term in her arguments, though. Looks like the Andreu choir is up and running on the clinic again...

Manipulation of the public is precisely what she and her online followers are engaged in and is the tactic she and LeMond claim Lance used to victimize them. She is a hypocrite of the most nauseating kind, the type that wear a mask of piety.

The sport, as run by the UCI and USA Cycling is a fraud machine and you want to single out the Andreu's?
What did they do to you? A serious question. PM me.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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The other interesting part of the saga is that Lance did have one of the most bullying and controlled doping systems that had ever been organized in Cycling. It creates for some awesome side notes to wonder how deep did the rabbit hole go. Who was on the take within the UCI / USCYCLING etc.

Let's revisit the past.
Carmichael dopes teenagers, including Armstrong, under the "old" USA Cycling.
ALLEGEDLY, Thom Wiesel ran small-time doping operations with his hobby cycling teams under the old USA Cycling, and ALLEGEDLY perfectly okay with doping.
Somewhere in this time, the UCI under Verbruggen is enabling EPO use.
Thom Wiesel then takes over USA Cycling because that's who he is.. He gets buy-in from Och, Plant and the rest. Thom's still okay with doping including allegedly topping his team up at his vacation home prior to a U.S. national championships in Park City. Allegedly.
All along, USA Cycling is protecting favored dopers. Thom is in charge and still okay with doping.


We haven't even gotten to the part where Thom lands US Postal as a sponsor yet and doping, and other corruption is rampant.

So, yeah, the corruption and doping goes all the way to the UCI.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

This made me chuckle a bit:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/tourdefrance/2010-07-18-lance-armstrong-greg-lemond-epo_N.htm


We all know he's completely FOS here(as he is with EVERYTHING else That comes out of his maw). I had to laugh when I saw this.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

This made me chuckle a bit:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/tourdefrance/2010-07-18-lance-armstrong-greg-lemond-epo_N.htm


We all know he's completely FOS here(as he is with EVERYTHING else That comes out of his maw). I had to laugh when I saw this.

Your post makes me chuckle a bit more. 2010 link to the ultimate multicolored fish wrap that hangs up trying to load into a browser because the info is so old.

I would even guess this is probably the wrong thread for that. But you don't really want to bring up that thread again or maybe you do. Lets get that Lemond doping thread back up and running so folks can ask for people to be banninated.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

This made me chuckle a bit:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/tourdefrance/2010-07-18-lance-armstrong-greg-lemond-epo_N.htm


We all know he's completely FOS here(as he is with EVERYTHING else That comes out of his maw). I had to laugh when I saw this.

Your post makes me chuckle a bit more. 2010 link to the ultimate multicolored fish wrap that hangs up trying to load into a browser because the info is so old.

I would even guess this is probably the wrong thread for that. But you don't really want to bring up that thread again or maybe you do. Lets get that Lemond doping thread back up and running so folks can ask for people to be banninated.

The point being Armstrong has no problem making stuff up, even in a deposition. Now, as for the actual topic, yes, FOR SURE, there's a thread for that.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

This made me chuckle a bit:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/tourdefrance/2010-07-18-lance-armstrong-greg-lemond-epo_N.htm


We all know he's completely FOS here(as he is with EVERYTHING else That comes out of his maw). I had to laugh when I saw this.

Your post makes me chuckle a bit more. 2010 link to the ultimate multicolored fish wrap that hangs up trying to load into a browser because the info is so old.

I would even guess this is probably the wrong thread for that. But you don't really want to bring up that thread again or maybe you do. Lets get that Lemond doping thread back up and running so folks can ask for people to be banninated.

I only brought it up to prove Wonderboy makes stuff up and lies ALL the time. I know the topic was about LeMond, but it also relates to the fact that regardless of who said person is, Wonderboy is Oh so happy to lie about them.

Only reason I posted it here.