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All good. And I like when it can be said without vulgar, personal attacks. I admit some posters have earned such responses but sometimes the attacks seem reflexive and not focused at people who really deserve them.
That said, even if I'm appalled by the vitriol, I've read cogent arguments from most of the long time "haters" about why they feel the way they do. From the noobs I only read "Lance! WOOO! WOOO!" So I typically glaze over the "fanboy" posts and struggle through the "hateful" posts because a) when the racing starts (all too rare for this Tour) the "haters" have shown to be fans of the sport instead of one cyclist, and b) as such, they often say something worth reading.
I'm neutral. I try not to let meaningless people like athletes get me worked up for the good or bad--at least not any more than any other entertainer.
 
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The best part was how lance rode as such a team man and didnt try and chase back and covered all the attack from the other bikers whos names i dont know. He is so great i love everything he has done and he is the best cyclist of all time. I know a lot about cycling I watch it at least three times a year when lance is in the tour de Lance and sometimes i ride to the shops.










Sorry, couldnt help myself.:D

pmcg76 you have summed up my thoughts perfectly. Excellent post
 
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pmcg76 said:
People are always slating the anti Lance brigade and why people are happy to see him be beaten, that is easy. I dont like Lance, I have been over THE WHY so many times I am not going through it again, if you only joined in the last month, too bad. I have followed his career from fan to neutral to disliking Lance. I agree there are some on here like WBT who really hate Lance and even I get a bit tired of them sometimes. Anyway, here we go.

Well written and spot on post.
I think my disinterest in Armstrong's cycling career stems from the fact that when I first learned of him, he was a tri-athlete who switched to cycling, concentrating only on the world's biggest bicycle race. It is a superhuman feat to win 7 consecutive TsdF. I don't believe anyone will ever equal, or surpass this monumental accomplishment. But in my view, he will never be the world's greatest cyclist. I think we all know who that is. Armstrong is/was a great TDF rider.
 
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53 x 11 said:
The best part was how lance rode as such a team man and didnt try and chase back and covered all the attack from the other bikers whos names i dont know. He is so great i love everything he has done and he is the best cyclist of all time. I know a lot about cycling I watch it at least three times a year when lance is in the tour de Lance and sometimes i ride to the shops.










Sorry, couldnt help myself.:D

pmcg76 you have summed up my thoughts perfectly. Excellent post

That's funny as hell! Well done!:)
 

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I felt like someone punched me in the gut when I learned of LA's dismal performance today. I am confused and hurt. I hope contador bashes his brains on the asphalt. I does not like that monkey.
 
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Lance's performance wasn't dismal, as he finished a very respectable tenth, better than 150 other riders. He even bettered his position in the GC classsification. Did Contador outride Lance? Absolutely, and he outrode everyone else in the race also. Is Contador the team leader? Yes. But what does that really mean? Lance will pace AC up the mountain: Yes, but Lance has ridden in front of Alberto for the entire Tour anyway. Lance will burn himself out as a domestique for AC: Only in AC's wet dreams. Was Lance humbled? Yes, he was. What now? I firmly believe Lance still wants to win and still plans to win this year's TdF: I think he will try to out-time trial Alberto and try to out-climb Alberto on Mont Ventoux. As much as I like to see Lance ride, and as much as I would love to see him win, I don't think he can do it. I hope he can hold onto second and next year try to win the Giro or the Vuelta and a few spring classics. Being Lance Armstrong is probably a tough thing to do, in spite of the benefits, and admitting limitations must be hard for him. But winning the Tour takes single-minded dedication, and Lance hasn't trained that way, so he has to accept the consequences. Go Lance!
Oh, 53X11, great stuff. Funny.
 
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pmcg76,

Of all +-700 posting on this thread, your last one sums up my personal view the best.

Thanks.
 
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Hammerhed said:
Lance's performance wasn't dismal, as he finished a very respectable tenth, better than 150 other riders. He even bettered his position in the GC classsification. Did Contador outride Lance? Absolutely, and he outrode everyone else in the race also. Is Contador the team leader? Yes. But what does that really mean? Lance will pace AC up the mountain: Yes, but Lance has ridden in front of Alberto for the entire Tour anyway. Lance will burn himself out as a domestique for AC: Only in AC's wet dreams. Was Lance humbled? Yes, he was. What now? I firmly believe Lance still wants to win and still plans to win this year's TdF: I think he will try to out-time trial Alberto and try to out-climb Alberto on Mont Ventoux. As much as I like to see Lance ride, and as much as I would love to see him win, I don't think he can do it. I hope he can hold onto second and next year try to win the Giro or the Vuelta and a few spring classics. Being Lance Armstrong is probably a tough thing to do, in spite of the benefits, and admitting limitations must be hard for him. But winning the Tour takes single-minded dedication, and Lance hasn't trained that way, so he has to accept the consequences. Go Lance!
Oh, 53X11, great stuff. Funny.

Why shouldn't Lance try to win the Tour?? It makes a lot of sense from a strategy point of view for Astana. LA works the TT to stay in the game or move up a little. On Ventoux he leads Contador up from the midway point in the climb and pushes the pace to try and drop as many riders as possible, if he is feeling good he really pushes and ties to drop everyone. If on that day Contador is stronger as he has been all tour he will simply attack the group again like he did on Verbier and solo to another victory at the end of the day and ride to Paris as the winner. The role of the climbing domestique is to push the tempo on the early part of the climb to soften the opponents and break the wind for the team leader until he launches the big attack. on Verbier Saxo Bank decided to be the pace setter so Astana didn't have to do anything in that department and left Contador to make his own attack.

If on the final climb of the tour AC isn't strong or has a really bad day (or is out of the tour for some reason) it will be a good thing that Armstrong and Kloden are still placed in the top 2-5 spots. They would then both have a chance at the yellow jersey. Never a bad thing to have a backup rider that can win the Tour if something happens to your main guy. And certainly doesn't hurt to have 2 guys that could podium/win the tour.
 
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From what we have seen on the last 2 mountain stages, Lance will never be in position to challenge the real climbers. He will lost a lot of time on Schlecks, Evans, Sastre, Nibali,... Surely they will attack him because now they have clearly seen that he is not strong enough to stay with them.
 
pmcg76 said:
People are always slating the anti Lance brigade and why people are happy to see him be beaten, that is easy. I dont like Lance, I have been over THE WHY so many times I am not going through it again, if you only joined in the last month, too bad. I have followed his career from fan to neutral to disliking Lance. I agree there are some on here like WBT who really hate Lance and even I get a bit tired of them sometimes. Anyway, here we go.

Lance is to be admired for his performances but take out the TTT and base his performances on prologue, Andorra and today, the important days, he would barely be top 10, still a great performance for his age etc but consider the way people have pushed him as a potential winner, its a far way of that, there is still time to be lost(more likely) or gained. Fair play if he retains a podium position.

On the Astana issue and his post race comments today, my feeling are this. Lance returned to a team that had the best stage racer in the world and still pushed himself as team leader at the Tour despite being almost 38 and missing 3 years. He has tried to undermine Contador whenever he can by his actions and comments, Paris-Nice, stg 3 & stg 7 and his team have backed him.

Now it is clear that Contador is better, he is suddenly backing him, how is that admirable, he knows if he tried to take on Contador, he would get his **** kicked more so he is cutting his losses and playing the faithful team-mate role which he very much wasnt up until today, if Lance is such a good team-mate, why were he and Kloeden leading the chasing favourites today and dont try to tell me they were slowing them down, if that was the case why did Lance crack. Lance now accepts Contador is best so Astana can ride defensively as a united team which will benefit Lance to keep his podium position, just dont let any other contenders escape.

Since he announced his comeback, all we have had to listen to is Lance, Lance, Lance, in cycling magazines, on TV everywhere. If you are a fan of the guy great but for your average year round cycling fan, there is such a thing as overkill, and this was overkill in mammoth proportions. Of course he is the biggest name in cycling so I understand why everybody wants to make their penny of his back but that doesnt mean I have to like it. and that is why I was not happy when he returned as I knew it would be like this, we had 7 years of this stuff and then he comes back.


People go on how he raises the profile of cycling, again I agree he does but I dont care. I live in a country, Ireland that saw a huge surge in interest in cycling during the Kelly/Roche era, it was one of the top sports, now it is nothing but I have always been a cycling fan. If fans are attracted to cycling because of Lance, they are mostly fairweather fans and will dissappear again. Cycling will continue though, maybe the US will be affected but really who cares, its just like Ireland or Germany or whatever countries that have had interest spikes. People in Belgium, Italy, France are always the core countries for cycling and whether Lance is competing or not will not change things in these countries.

I respect his work for cancer but I have always believed his comeback was about other things, his comments about last years Tour, Sastre, Vandevelde etc confirmed that. The Cancer issue was tagged on to provide the safety net when needed which it has. Not critcising his cancer work.

This has always been a win-win situation for Lance, if he wins, he is the greatest, if he loses, its all about the cancer, old-age, the time away from the sport, the great team-mate. ad infitum.

So there you go and I bet quite a few average non-Lance fans will back me on this. Just because you dont idolise Lance dont make you a hater.

+10000. You summed my feelings on this matter quite nicely.
 
53 x 11 said:
The best part was how lance rode as such a team man and didnt try and chase back and covered all the attack from the other bikers whos names i dont know. He is so great i love everything he has done and he is the best cyclist of all time. I know a lot about cycling I watch it at least three times a year when lance is in the tour de Lance and sometimes i ride to the shops.










Sorry, couldnt help myself.:D

pmcg76 you have summed up my thoughts perfectly. Excellent post

Really? Someone has tried to hijack my screen name? I'm honored! Actually, to whomever had the amazing foresight to do so, a few things for you to know....

1. Been racing since 1989
2. Been following the sport since 1983
3. Am currently IN France (Chamonix today, looking at Mont Blanc out my hotel room window), looking forward to being on the Petit St. Bernard tomorrow.
4. This would be my 8th TdF seen live since '99
5. First Euro race seen live was Het Volk in '97
6. Favorite cyclist is either Boonen or Van de Velde
7. Been putting in substantially more miles this summer than excursions to local shops
8. Have watched virtually every PT race over the past three years and all the semi-classics on cycling.tv, Universal or Versus.
9. Pre-3 years ago, have an extensive collection of DVD's and VHS's of same PT races.


Now get back on your couch with your bag of Cheetos and find another outlet/target for your sophomoric humor.

Most of the tenured posters here know that I'm pretty even-handed. Go ahead, douchies, take your shots....
 
bikeGURU said:
Why shouldn't Lance try to win the Tour?? It makes a lot of sense from a strategy point of view for Astana. LA works the TT to stay in the game or move up a little. On Ventoux he leads Contador up from the midway point in the climb and pushes the pace to try and drop as many riders as possible, if he is feeling good he really pushes and ties to drop everyone. If on that day Contador is stronger as he has been all tour he will simply attack the group again like he did on Verbier and solo to another victory at the end of the day and ride to Paris as the winner. The role of the climbing domestique is to push the tempo on the early part of the climb to soften the opponents and break the wind for the team leader until he launches the big attack. on Verbier Saxo Bank decided to be the pace setter so Astana didn't have to do anything in that department and left Contador to make his own attack.

If on the final climb of the tour AC isn't strong or has a really bad day (or is out of the tour for some reason) it will be a good thing that Armstrong and Kloden are still placed in the top 2-5 spots. They would then both have a chance at the yellow jersey. Never a bad thing to have a backup rider that can win the Tour if something happens to your main guy. And certainly doesn't hurt to have 2 guys that could podium/win the tour.

No. Simply no. His job, (and he knows this) is to support AC until the bitter end. He may make up a few seconds on AC in Annecy, but he must be 100% prepared (a la Heras a few years back) to subordinate himself to AC. He appears willing to do this. You are right in that if AC completely blows up, that Johan must have a plan B. I think Klodi should be that Plan B, given his superior climbing skill (assuming he doesn't lose minutes in Annecy).
 
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pmcg76 said:
Lance is to be admired for his performances but take out the TTT and base his performances on prologue, Andorra and today, the important days, he would barely be top 10, still a great performance for his age etc but consider the way people have pushed him as a potential winner, its a far way of that, there is still time to be lost(more likely) or gained. Fair play if he retains a podium position.

Are you sure about that? When you pulled out your calculator and did the math did you remove the TTT for all riders? Try again.

1 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 15:17:56
2 Christophe Le Mevel (Fra) Française des Jeux 0:00:29
3 Rinaldo Nocentini (Ita) AG2R La Mondiale 0:00:42
4 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Garmin - Slipstream 0:01:28
5 Lance Armstrong (USA) Astana 0:01:37
6 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 0:01:46
7 Cadel Evans (Aus) Silence - Lotto 0:01:52
8 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas 0:01:53
9 Tony Martin (Ger) Team Columbia - HTC 0:02:08
10 Carlos Sastre Candil (Spa) Cervelo TestTeam 0:02:15
 

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BroDeal said:
You apparently keep getting lost on your way to the Stormfront forum.

http://www.stormfront.org is one of the most popular white nationalist sites on the net. contador is considered white by them. the average strormfront member is more liberal than the average person. I will never be that liberal. stormfront is probably cheering contador on.
 
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goober said:
Are you sure about that? When you pulled out your calculator and did the math did you remove the TTT for all riders? Try again.

1 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 15:17:56
2 Christophe Le Mevel (Fra) Française des Jeux 0:00:29
3 Rinaldo Nocentini (Ita) AG2R La Mondiale 0:00:42
4 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Garmin - Slipstream 0:01:28
5 Lance Armstrong (USA) Astana 0:01:37
6 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 0:01:46
7 Cadel Evans (Aus) Silence - Lotto 0:01:52
8 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas 0:01:53
9 Tony Martin (Ger) Team Columbia - HTC 0:02:08
10 Carlos Sastre Candil (Spa) Cervelo TestTeam 0:02:15

lol thats awesome

http://www.stormfront.org is one of the most popular white nationalist sites on the net. contador is considered white by them. the average strormfront member is more liberal than the average person. I will never be that liberal. stormfront is probably cheering contador on.

lol wat?
 
goober said:
Are you sure about that? When you pulled out your calculator and did the math did you remove the TTT for all riders? Try again.

1 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 15:17:56
2 Christophe Le Mevel (Fra) Française des Jeux 0:00:29
3 Rinaldo Nocentini (Ita) AG2R La Mondiale 0:00:42
4 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Garmin - Slipstream 0:01:28
5 Lance Armstrong (USA) Astana 0:01:37
6 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 0:01:46
7 Cadel Evans (Aus) Silence - Lotto 0:01:52
8 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas 0:01:53
9 Tony Martin (Ger) Team Columbia - HTC 0:02:08
10 Carlos Sastre Candil (Spa) Cervelo TestTeam 0:02:15


My apologies, I forgot to include the stage 3 sneaky move, which now seems like the act of a guy who was desperate to gain time before the real action began, so add on another 40 seconds and Lance is outside top 10.
 
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pmcg76 said:
My apologies, I forgot to include the stage 3 sneaky move, which now seems like the act of a guy who was desperate to gain time before the real action began, so add on another 40 seconds and Lance is outside top 10.

He would be 9th according to my reckoning. Tony Martin would drop down too as he was also in that stage 3 break. Your point is still valid, however, that without the TTT and stage 3 he would be well down on GC.

I would like to leave you all with a quote from yesterdays stage thread :D

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I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of fanboys cried out in terror.
 
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pmcg76 said:
On the Astana issue and his post race comments today, my feeling are this. Lance returned to a team that had the best stage racer in the world and still pushed himself as team leader at the Tour despite being almost 38 and missing 3 years. He has tried to undermine Contador whenever he can by his actions and comments, Paris-Nice, stg 3 & stg 7 and his team have backed him.

Exactly. This is my number one beef with LA. He was very disrespectful to AC and all the work he's put in. Hey look everyone, I'm back and better than all these guys because of my past accomplishments. Move over AC, I'm here.

AC has shown he's champion. He handled all the BS from LA extremely well. Notice how he didn't talk much about it? Brilliant. He'd be no match for the Nike, Versus, LA, Livestrong, Velonews media machine anyway. He proved his leadership where it counts - on the road.

His "disrespect" of team orders on stage 7 was a punch in the gut to LA. I'm here and I'm here to win. Eff your politics. Beat me man up if you can.

Lance lost what little respect I still had for him with his complete BS towards AC. Sadly, his ego has probably cost Bruyneel the next great GT rider. But that's Lance. He's all about himself and always has been. Both in his personal and professional life.
 
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You guys are forgetting that if you pull out the TTT another stage would have been added. Yea you get a theoretical perspective without the TTT, but that dont mean squat in reality especially if its a mountain stage that replaces the TTT.
 
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goober said:
Are you sure about that? When you pulled out your calculator and did the math did you remove the TTT for all riders? Try again.

Really, a "Psychologist" writing sarcastic, antagonistic posts on a cycling forum? I always said, you want to see "fucked up," find someone who graduated with a psych degree. However, it is rare to see one so completely inept at maintaining an impartial tone. Dang, you suck at your fake internet job.

Us rabble rousers and miscreants who don't believe in the Armstrong myth are so in need of real help. Maybe you can google and find the answers to our deepest troubles? Maybe Wiki will have an article or two also?
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
Really, a "Psychologist" writing sarcastic, antagonistic posts on a cycling forum? I always said, you want to see "fucked up," find someone who graduated with a psych degree. However, it is rare to see one so completely inept at maintaining an impartial tone. Dang, you suck at your fake internet job.

Yeah. I blew my cover. I agree those psychologists are sick.
 
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goober said:
Yeah. I blew my cover. I agree those psychologists are sick.

Hey, not biggie. I once pretended, on a another cycling forum, to be a gay Nazi from South Dakota who had a love for ferns. Seriously.
 
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