Official Lance Armstrong thread

[Zen Master]

Shocking, but maybe exagerated (poetic liberties). As far as I know, Conti is shepherded everywhere he goes by the Astana folks (from the videos I see when he arrives back at hotels, for example, after stages).

Wow, but if Lance didn't go to the Conti/Astana party in Paris, then I believe this....

Shocking and sad but true, and it was obvious from the beginning what's going on behind the curtain in the Astana team...
Lance Armstrong is just a pathetic old man with more vanity than sense

Congratulations Bertie !!!
Act like a champ... think like a champ... be a champ !!!

 

[ggusta]

for those who understand spanish, cheack this, maybe there is an english translation, it's about the "via crucis" of AC in 6 chapters

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/uomo/solo/comando/elpepidep/20090727elpepidep_2/Tes


by the way, came on Lance, your taste in art is so cheeeeesy, Obey the Giant, Damien Hirst????? what kind of mainstream bull**** is that???

I am so happy someone finally pointed it out. Please don't tell me this is his idea of art. Where does he buy his art, the Hallmark store? In the words of willem dafoe's character in to live and die in la, 'your taste is in you @$$'.

He is giving Donald Trump a run for his money in the tacky department.

Lance, Good Luck in 2010 on your bike, I would not put winning past you, but off the bike...what an empty shell of a human. In more ways every day.

 

[ggusta]

I don't get your intended joke/sarcasm.

never mind, just being silly.

 

[ggusta]

The guys are making a collection plate to send Contador to the Oprah show. I take it you don't want to contribute?

As soon as Lance found out, Lance would do oprah, the view, barbara walters and coordinate a 60 minutes expose on how alberto cheated on a math test in the 6th grade.

Of course he would use his charity as the ruse to gin up sympathy for his behavior, thereby turning despicability into virtue: Alberto winning actually cost cancer patients their lives because less money was raised.

By the way, what is the ratio of donations that goes to research? Or is that just an accounting game?

 

[Azdak6]

I don't recall anyone saying that he would be in the gruppetto since he never ended up there on the Giro. Folks did say that he would get dropped. And he did. Multiple times. And he wasn't a team player unless it was beneficial to him.

And your post reveals WHY people are talking about his snub of Contador: you give him credit for being a "team man" and "supportive role" but that isn't consistent with the dinner party snub or the other actions that are starting to spill out. Supportive team mates and team men don't snub their fellow team mate who has just won the TdF and helped you hold on to your podium spot. Supportive team mates and team men congratulate and thank their team mates.

After 3 weeks of the visual hagiography on Versus and in the press, it's nice to see the other side of the Armstrong story.

I would say "another" side rather than "the" other side. I am not attacking the article, just saying that it is a partisan one and should be treated with a little reserve, at least on first reading.

There seems to have be a real dichotomy between the Spanish press and the English press on how the whole Tour was covered. Given what I perceive is the overall obsequious treatment of Armstrong, the reaction in the Spanish press is both understandable and represents an important perspective. But it is not necessarily a completely objective one. These kinds of internal disputes tend to become so polarizing that everyone's actions become perceived in the worst way possible.

Unfortunately, I don't see anyone in the American press having the temerity to follow up on these stories or confront Armstrong directly.

And I still say that, regardless of the exact nature of some of these disputes and who was "at fault", the ultimate responsibility for resolving them was Bruyneel's and, as the older, supposedly more "seasoned" veteran, Armstrong. Even if Contador was/is cocky and irresponsible (just a "what if", not my opinion), it is still the responsibility of the DS to manage that.

 

[LaBici]

Lance, Good Luck in 2010 on your bike, I would not put winning past you, but off the bike...what an empty shell of a human. In more ways every day.

I don't care what team he puts together for 2010. he ain't gonna a win jack.
I was very disappointed in LA in the way he has denigrated Contador at every opportunity. Yesterday he had nothing good to say about Condator and that he though he had a "weakness" that he would be able to exploit in 2010. Classless, Mr Armstrong. You should have left those kind of comments for when you have your new team. Yesterday was a day for Honoring your Teammate and TdF Winner! You are starting to sound like a grumpy former champion.

Had Andy and Alberto really attacked on the Mnt Ventoux LA would have come in 4-6 mins later.

 

[TRDean]

I don't care what team he puts together for 2010. he ain't gonna a win jack.
I was very disappointed in LA in the way he has denigrated Contador at every opportunity. Yesterday he had nothing good to say about Condator and that he though he had a "weakness" that he would be able to exploit in 2010. Classless, Mr Armstrong. You should have left those kind of comments for when you have your new team. Yesterday was a day for Honoring your Teammate and TdF Winner! You are starting to sound like a grumpy former champion.

Had Andy and Alberto really attacked on the Mnt Ventoux LA would have come in 4-6 mins later.

Agree with everything...especially the Andy and Alberto attack on teh Ventoux!!!

 

[Publicus]

I would say "another" side rather than "the" other side. I am not attacking the article, just saying that it is a partisan one and should be treated with a little reserve, at least on first reading.

There seems to have be a real dichotomy between the Spanish press and the English press on how the whole Tour was covered. Given what I perceive is the overall obsequious treatment of Armstrong, the reaction in the Spanish press is both understandable and represents an important perspective. But it is not necessarily a completely objective one. These kinds of internal disputes tend to become so polarizing that everyone's actions become perceived in the worst way possible.

Unfortunately, I don't see anyone in the American press having the temerity to follow up on these stories or confront Armstrong directly.

And I still say that, regardless of the exact nature of some of these disputes and who was "at fault", the ultimate responsibility for resolving them was Bruyneel's and, as the older, supposedly more "seasoned" veteran, Armstrong. Even if Contador was/is cocky and irresponsible (just a "what if", not my opinion), it is still the responsibility of the DS to manage that.

I said other side, because in the US press we've only had the Armstrong version of things. I otherwise agree with you, especially regarding Bruyneel. He did a poor job of managing BOTH of them, though I don't think he is capable of really managing Armstrong (which, in my opinion, was the real problem).

 

[Publicus]

As soon as Lance found out, Lance would do oprah, the view, barbara walters and coordinate a 60 minutes expose on how alberto cheated on a math test in the 6th grade.

Of course he would use his charity as the ruse to gin up sympathy for his behavior, thereby turning despicability into virtue: Alberto winning actually cost cancer patients their lives because less money was raised.

By the way, what is the ratio of donations that goes to research? Or is that just an accounting game?

Now this is funny.

 

[ggusta]

Agree with everything...especially the Andy and Alberto attack on teh Ventoux!!!

I was hoping in the last couple of Km, when it was pretty safe for Lance to hold 3rd that AC would put the screws to both of them one last time just to put a seal on it. But we would have never heard the end of Alberto hanging an old man that can only follow wheels up climbs out to the tender mercies of the Schleck boys from these rose glassed sycophants over here who think in his off time Lance is in a lab working on a cure for cancer.

Personally, I would have loved it. But that would have been bad for Alberto. That's only something Mr Class would have done, but Mr Class is physically incapable.

 

[shankapot0mus]

I don't care what team he puts together for 2010. he ain't gonna a win jack.
I was very disappointed in LA in the way he has denigrated Contador at every opportunity. Yesterday he had nothing good to say about Condator and that he though he had a "weakness" that he would be able to exploit in 2010. Classless, Mr Armstrong. You should have left those kind of comments for when you have your new team. Yesterday was a day for Honoring your Teammate and TdF Winner! You are starting to sound like a grumpy former champion.

Had Andy and Alberto really attacked on the Mnt Ventoux LA would have come in 4-6 mins later.

I said other side, because in the US press we've only had the Armstrong version of things. I otherwise agree with you, especially regarding Bruyneel. He did a poor job of managing BOTH of them, though I don't think he is capable of really managing Armstrong (which, in my opinion, was the real problem).

Hmmm, Managing Armstrong ..you say! ,,,aww Mr Armstrong is the "MONEY MAN" He manage's you...as it should be!!! When you win 7 tours,,,your the 800 pound Gorilla in the room....and the reason "Radio Shack" wants to put "MONEY in the sport of cycling!!! PRO CYCLING IS A BUSINESS...

,,,LANCE DOES NOT NEED TO BE MANAGED HE NEEDS TO BE "unleashed"

 

[53x11 in DC]

I don't know if this has already been mentioned; I imagine it may have but I can't be bothered trawling through the 1170 posts!! which are all for one man!!!?, but one thing I do find interesting is that before the Tour and even before the Giro there were many on this site espousing as gospel that Armstrong would get put in the grupetto on the first mountain, that he wouldn't be in the top 10 (of the Tour), that he wouldn't even finish the Giro or the Tour, and that he wouldn't be a team player. 12th in the Giro is pretty respectable given the circumstances leading into it. 3rd in the Tour is certainly inside the top 10, and from the footage I watched he certainly didn't get put in the grupetto on the first (or any) mountain, clearly he finished both tours (and strongly as well) and finally and regardless of internal bickering he seemed to play the team man and supportive role pretty well once the leadership issue was resolved, which and as he had made repeatedly clear from day one would be the strongest guy on the team. As to whether he did or didn't go to a dinner party and the reasons why, I mean f@#k me!, talk about an episode of Days of Our Lives! Haven't we got better things to concern ourselves with?

+1

Seth, don't use facts - it just distracts these guys as they are spooging all over each other in the world's largest circle jerk.

 

[Anonymous]

+1

Seth, don't use facts - it just distracts these guys as they are spooging all over each other in the world's largest circle jerk.

You guys really love the homoerotic imagery, I'll bet you all have the Lance work out video, and a poster of him running with McConaughey...

 

[Publicus]

Hmmm, Managing Armstrong ..you say! ,,,aww Mr Armstrong is the "MONEY MAN" He manage's you...as it should be!!! When you win 7 tours,,,your the 800 pound Gorilla in the room....and the reason "Radio Shack" wants to put "MONEY in the sport of cycling!!! PRO CYCLING IS A BUSINESS...

,,,LANCE DOES NOT NEED TO BE MANAGED HE NEEDS TO BE "unleashed"

True, the aging 800 pound gorilla flung around enough feces to make his presence known. Didn't change the fact that his power-to-weight ratio wasn't high enough to compete with the newer generation. But he flung that feces, so now everyone knows he means business and smells like dung!

Cycling is a business, which is the only way to explain Bruyneel's decision to throw his lot in with Lance over Contador. Unfortunately, I think he is thinking too short term.

 

[ggusta]

Hmmm, Managing Armstrong ..you say! ,,,aww Mr Armstrong is the "MONEY MAN" He manage's you...as it should be!!! When you win 7 tours,,,your the 800 pound Gorilla in the room....and the reason "Radio Shack" wants to put "MONEY in the sport of cycling!!! PRO CYCLING IS A BUSINESS...

,,,LANCE DOES NOT NEED TO BE MANAGED HE NEEDS TO BE "unleashed"

I agree with you for the most part, he is the money man, like it or not, this is something pro sports here, and probably all over the world, have had to deal with for years. Michael Jordan got Doug Collins fired, etc. (And prolly a whole bunch of other guys we'll never know about) But it was done quietly and away from cameras and microphones. That's the way it is supposed to be done. Lance don't play dat way. He wants the politics out in the open. Michael took care of business behind closed doors. His legacy will endure. Lance's? I doubt it.

 

[Azdak6]

I was hoping in the last couple of Km, when it was pretty safe for Lance to hold 3rd that AC would put the screws to both of them one last time just to put a seal on it. But we would have never heard the end of Alberto hanging an old man that can only follow wheels up climbs out to the tender mercies of the Schleck boys from these rose glassed sycophants over here who think in his off time Lance is in a lab working on a cure for cancer.

Personally, I would have loved it. But that would have been bad for Alberto. That's only something Mr Class would have done, but Mr Class is physically incapable.

Traditionally, cyclists tend to speak in very measured terms after the race, esp the winnners, so I don't know how significant this is, but Contador did say he was "suffering" on Ventoux, so maybe he didn't really have a big attack in him.

 

[ggusta]

Traditionally, cyclists tend to speak in very measured terms after the race, esp the winnners, so I don't know how significant this is, but Contador did say he was "suffering" on Ventoux, so maybe he didn't really have a big attack in him.

You very well may be right.

 

[53x11 in DC]

You guys really love the homoerotic imagery, I'll bet you all have the Lance work out video, and a poster of him running with McConaughey...

Ooops - ya just got some on yourself!!

 

[Anonymous]

Ooops - ya just got some on yourself!!

The difference being that I was thinking about a woman, and not an *** with one ball unlike you.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I'm seriously thinking of not posting here anymore. I just don't think I am intellectual enough to keep up.

 

[ggusta]

I'm seriously thinking of not posting here anymore. I just don't think I am intellectual enough to keep up.

I think the ship has officially run aground/ the thread has bonked/civilization has dropped us/we flatted/Lance left us all in the lobby with no bus and our cellphones get no signal.

Beam me up.

 

[53x11 in DC]

You guys really love the homoerotic imagery, I'll bet you all have the Lance work out video, and a poster of him running with McConaughey...

Oh, and your recent acknowledgement of your gaming past pretty much selaed the deal for me regarding your credibility.

 

[ggusta]

Oh, and your recent acknowledgement of your gaming past pretty much selaed the deal for me regarding your credibility.

Gosh, when you lose credibility with the guy that posts about masturbation, you've lost a lot.

 

[Anonymous]

Gosh, when you lose credibility with the guy that posts about masturbation, you've lost a lot.

Yea, I played games online at one point, therefore I have no credibility? He posts about homoerotic activities, and he is Mr Credible? I guess I see the logic in that....er.......

 

[scribe]

That doesn't seem unusual to me. I always had a usual seat on our team bus or plane.

I wonder what Kloden did to this child?