Official thread- TDF Stage 7 Barcelone - Andorre Arcalis 224km

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Wheels Go Round and Round said:
LOL... well the proof is at the top of the leader board... pretty hard to deny

what other 37yr old rider is sitting there?

I'll give you a hint.... the GREATEST TDF rider who has ever lived;)


Wheels im not trying to rub you up the wrong way, i actually like the guy and agree he is the greatest TDF rider(but not the greatest rider: that belongs to Merckx), all im trying to say is that there is some pretty solid evidence that he didnt do it on just bread and water. I just want you guys to see that aswell and not just swaer blind and deny that he has ever touched or seen PEDs.

I still like the guy as a rider, and as you said the leader board shows how good he is for a 37 yr old
 
Mar 18, 2009
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dgodave said:
Thats what I mean. People want him to behave like a complete ***.
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Don't put words in my mouth...I never said I wanted him to chase...I just said I would laugh!!! Learn to read.
 
May 23, 2009
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TRDean said:
Don't put words in my mouth...I never said I wanted him to chase...I just said I would laugh!!! Learn to read.
Yeah. It would bring pleasure. Who doesnt want pleasure?
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As for my reading.... well, it might be too late to teach an old dog new tricks.
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Jun 22, 2009
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There can be no criticism of Armstrong's riding today. If I have to explain it you'll never get it. You are not objective, you hate him, you always will, and it's an opinion you have a right to.

Contador put in a very very well timed attack after a "slowing" following the Evans attack (the acceleration is a little exagerated). Contador looked very comfortable tho and could even be seen laughing at something a fan said very shorlty after attacking. If you don't have DVR pony up for the tour, its worth it.

GC is just about over barring crashes or doping positives. Contador attacking and Lance/Levi marking other moves is pretty unbeatable. Other GC men are likely to continue to ride conservatively just to try and maintain their position on GC which is kind of a sad reality but still smart for them personally.
 
May 19, 2009
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this is where the thread might as well get closed. instead of objective insights, turns into "Lance is awesome" vs. "Lance is a douche" posts. /fin
 
Jun 27, 2009
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Wheels Go Round and Round said:
lol.. come on man

I SAID TDF rider

Eddy was the greatest all around bike racer ever.

Eddy even said Lance was the best TDF rider

Hinault.... I won't even go there

Nope Lance Pharmstrong is just a guy who won 7 TdF titles and that's all !?? Oh yes I almost forgot he is King of Pop cycling :rolleyes:
Marco Pantani won just one TdF but for a true cycling fans he is greater TdF rider than Lance !?
 
Apr 10, 2009
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lean said:
There can be no criticism of Armstrong's riding today. If I have to explain it you'll never get it. You are not objective, you hate him, you always will, and it's an opinion you have a right to.

Contador put in a very very well timed attack after a "slowing" following the Evans attack (the acceleration is a little exagerated). Contador looked very comfortable tho and could even be seen laughing at something a fan said very shorlty after attacking. If you don't have DVR pony up for the tour, its worth it.

GC is just about over barring crashes or doping positives. Contador attacking and Lance/Levi marking other moves is pretty unbeatable. Other GC men are likely to continue to ride conservatively just to try and maintain their position on GC which is kind of a sad reality but still smart for them personally.

Wow, a post that I agree with almost word for word.
 
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I think not crossing over to Alberto Contador may have been a strategic decision for Schleck (I'm not saying he could have, but from the crappy video feed I was watching it seems that he stopped after a bit). Could it simply be that he doesn't want to burn himself out to only gain a few seconds on people?

Also, from reading between the lines of one of his blogs on this site it seems that he is really waiting for the third week of the tour. Granted, I still don't think he has any realistic shot at winning but I just don't think we'll see a major attack until the alps at some point.

Maybe I'm wrong and he just didn't have the legs.
 
Jul 7, 2009
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El Imbatido said:
Wheels im not trying to rub you up the wrong way, i actually like the guy and agree he is the greatest TDF rider(but not the greatest rider: that belongs to Merckx), all im trying to say is that there is some pretty solid evidence that he didnt do it on just bread and water. I just want you guys to see that aswell and not just swaer blind and deny that he has ever touched or seen PEDs.

I still like the guy as a rider, and as you said the leader board shows how good he is for a 37 yr old

I'm glad we can agree but to think Eddy and Hinault didn't use enhancers would be false too
 
Jul 7, 2009
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The way the race unfolded seems typical for a first mountian top finish in the Tour. Team Astana has proven they are the strongest and will more then likely sweep the podium in Paris. I know that will upset many people on here but sometimes the truth hurts.

Just like in other tours some of the climbers had bad(maybe not Bad)but invisible days because they do better in the second portion of the mountians then the first. Sastre is more then likely will not have a podium spot this year due to the strength of Astana. However, He will be a main rival when the race heads into the Alps. Andy schleck would be a serious contender if astana was not in the race. He did try to bridge the gap to Contador but, you can see Astana had the ability to sweep him up quickly. Cadel Evans, did attack and was quickly brought back. If that attack is what he has at full go it's not good enough to break the monster that is Astana. I think at the tempo Astana set is very close to his red line and he doesn't have much more then we saw today. I like cadel he is a fighter but, I don't think you can put him in with the elite mountian climbers in the race and he needs to be closer to them to be able to attack and ride away from the main contenders. Vande Velde did look good(better then last year) however, this is the first mountian finish and it wasn't as hard as some. Arcalis is a major mountian and very high but the grade after the first 4k are 4-5 percent and I would imagine for a pro bike rider it's not horrible.

Now for team Astana, I think the team performed excellent. I do feel after listening to the Armstrong after the race and his comments. Johan bruyneel, even stated in a pre race interview that Lance might be in yellow tonight. That Contador was not suppose to take off on his own. If this is the case I don't think Contador is making friends within the team. However, we don't know if contador had the go ahead to take off like that. Astana before that was working as a team and was taking on the attacks as a team. Levi and Kloden still worked with lance in the finsih and when you get close to the line its every man for themselves. Lance has some powerful allies and if Contador went on his own he may have NO help later in the race.

Now I did see some posters mention Lance didn't go after contador, and why would a teammate chase down another teammate? I don't think this is T-mobile is it? Another thing is Lance, Kloden, and Levi didn't even increase their tempo when Contador took off. If the move was not scripted it just shows Contadors is a young inexperienced rider that has much to learn. We have already seen that when the peleton split and Lance gained all that time on Contador when he missed the break. The race is not won today but, Many of the pre race favorites are not contenders but just pretenders.
 
Apr 19, 2009
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clydesdale said:
I think not crossing over to Alberto Contador may have been a strategic decision for Schleck (I'm not saying he could have, but from the crappy video feed I was watching it seems that he stopped after a bit). Could it simply be that he doesn't want to burn himself out to only gain a few seconds on people?

Also, from reading between the lines of one of his blogs on this site it seems that he is really waiting for the third week of the tour. Granted, I still don't think he has any realistic shot at winning but I just don't think we'll see a major attack until the alps at some point.

Maybe I'm wrong and he just didn't have the legs.

I think the attack was brutal.....

Andy is going to need to make up 5 to 6 minutes in order to have a chance ot win. He is almost two minutes down and he has to have padding for the 40km TT. Its going to be veyr hard.
 
Jul 7, 2009
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clydesdale said:
I think not crossing over to Alberto Contador may have been a strategic decision for Schleck (I'm not saying he could have, but from the crappy video feed I was watching it seems that he stopped after a bit). Could it simply be that he doesn't want to burn himself out to only gain a few seconds on people?

Also, from reading between the lines of one of his blogs on this site it seems that he is really waiting for the third week of the tour. Granted, I still don't think he has any realistic shot at winning but I just don't think we'll see a major attack until the alps at some point.

Maybe I'm wrong and he just didn't have the legs.

if he waits for the 3rd week he will be riding for 10th place
 
Jun 18, 2009
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Congrats to Contador. The attack we were all waiting for. Other climbers looked stunned.

Hopefully, Bob Roll will start to talk about other riders besides LA now.

That said, LA looked the equal of all the rest (not sure about A Schleck. Seemed like he's biding his time). No worries about Evans. Not an attacking climber, never has been.
 
Jul 7, 2009
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clydesdale said:
I think not crossing over to Alberto Contador may have been a strategic decision for Schleck (I'm not saying he could have, but from the crappy video feed I was watching it seems that he stopped after a bit). Could it simply be that he doesn't want to burn himself out to only gain a few seconds on people?

Also, from reading between the lines of one of his blogs on this site it seems that he is really waiting for the third week of the tour. Granted, I still don't think he has any realistic shot at winning but I just don't think we'll see a major attack until the alps at some point.

Maybe I'm wrong and he just didn't have the legs.

He didn't stop the other members of Astana caught up to him.
 
Jul 7, 2009
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Well, a very interesting stage to say the least.

It was a long stage. Just north of 220km. As I said yesterday, I think the tedious uphill ramp to the final climb took a lot of fight out of many legs. I still expected to see more of a selection at the end, but the fact that it didn't happen isn't all that surprising given the dynamics of the stage.

Congrats to the stage winner. The break obviously bore fruit and good on all the escapees for their effort on the day.
 
Mar 10, 2009
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Mellow Velo said:
Actually, I don't hate Armstrong. I think his ride is remarkable for a man of his age and with 3 years out of competition.

I hate the clueless tw*ts that surround him, like flies on a horse turd.

Where's Turd at today, anyway?
 
Mar 10, 2009
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Astana looked pretty well invincible today. All pretty impressive including Kloeden, Popovich, Leipheimer, Zubeldia--the whole crew. Has there every been a one team Tour podium?
 
Jul 7, 2009
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Wheels Go Round and Round said:
he won't take crazy time out of them on Ventoux so he better make every effort to get time. He isn't the worlds greatest time trialist either

Sometimes the media will make you more of a favorite then you really are.
 
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clydesdale said:
I think not crossing over to Alberto Contador may have been a strategic decision for Schleck (I'm not saying he could have, but from the crappy video feed I was watching it seems that he stopped after a bit). Could it simply be that he doesn't want to burn himself out to only gain a few seconds on people?

Also, from reading between the lines of one of his blogs on this site it seems that he is really waiting for the third week of the tour. Granted, I still don't think he has any realistic shot at winning but I just don't think we'll see a major attack until the alps at some point.

Maybe I'm wrong and he just didn't have the legs.

Baby Schleck couldn't match the acceleration.
 
Apr 24, 2009
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dgodave said:
Nothing would have made a lot of people here happier than LA going all out to chase down AC.... then failing.
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At least there would have been some action......
 
Jun 18, 2009
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lean said:
GC is just about over barring crashes or doping positives.

So... not over...... Over the last 5 years, how many times has this type of scenario changed the outcome?! And all it takes is 1 bad day (eg. Ullrich in '98, or even AC in this years Paris-Nice) for the GC to completely change.
 
Jul 7, 2009
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dadoorsron said:
Race wasn't won today and the finish on Ventoux will crown the winner.

It'll be interesting if the status quo pretty much holds up to the Ventoux and we're talking about 3-4 Astana's within a minute of each other? Given the way they rode today, I don't think the Verbier will change things much and the 40K TT might not split up AC, LA, LL and AK that much.
 

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