Dr. Maserati said:
I'm going to say something I rarely say: I think JB's thinking was smart. Having the yellow jersey coming out of the pyrenees is very bad. It'll kill your team.
Especially when an attack only gained 20 seconds which are insignificant compared to the existing gaps.
Dr. Maserati said:
Or,
Conti did something that:
1) was against the will of his DS, big no no!
2) his attack meant kloden lost a little bit of ground on the lead group, and making him to lose vital seconds in the GC
3)gonna (maybe ) split the team, what should the team think when they know they have one rider that does whatever he wants and doesn't listen to the DS ?
conti's attack was strong, but it benefited only conti,
the other big 3 ( LL, kloden and LA ) will think : "damm this dude wants it only for him-self and he doesn't care about us "
teamleader or not , he still needs his team and his DS to work with him.
and today he did 2 major things . 1)gain 21 sec on the big gc guys
2) lost his DS and teammates
Maybe JB is more concerned about insubordination from AC, and feels that impulsive actions like this may come back to roost later on.
BTW, for those who keep referring to LA as a washed up has-been, or suggest he will be suffering in the mountains, I can only say I wish I could achieve that level of suffering. Whether he wins or not, seems like a pretty amazing performance for someone whose time has supposedly passed.
For linkage and others:
You've got too much time on your hands. Contador didn't use that much energy and JB has much to gain keeping other teams guessing on which GC threat to chase. Truth will be told if AC goes away with Schleck or Evans and LA responds/does not. In any case-JB would be screaming in his rider's ears if they took the GC today as it is way too early.
You've got too much time on your hands. Contador didn't use that much energy and JB has much to gain keeping other teams guessing on which GC threat to chase. Truth will be told if AC goes away with Schleck or Evans and LA responds/does not. In any case-JB would be screaming in his rider's ears if they took the GC today as it is way too early.
Juan Speeder said:
He's hands down the winner
probably the only thing he has acomplished in life
sad......
euphrades said:
+1 I'm no LA fan but today he showed some class by sitting in and not working.
I'm not so sure that tomorrow will be as boring as some people think. The descent off the Col d'Agnes is super quick and it's a 60-70kph blast over the last 40kms or so to Saint Girons. If I were AC, I would be looking to repeat todays acceleration from about the false flat 2km from the summit and with one or two others with me (LLS? Payback time for the Dauphine from Caisse?) and 2-up TT to the finish. That would give AC total leadership of the team, the yellow jersey and a relatively easy die, barring any mishaps, to the Champs Elysee.
mambo#5 said:
so when is that if the guy is a climber, which stage? perhaps next year after LA marries Ashley Simpson and retires?
Oldman said:
I agree, today was too early, but I really think tomorrow/the day after that
AST may take the GC, I can see someone attck on the downhill .
The time conti took means nothing! he took only 22 sec, the only thing it did
is ( maybe ) turn his teammates against him.
There were a lot of talks about the mentality of conti, and todays we saw it,
he wasn't thinking about his team, he was thinking about him-self.
If I were in LL, Kloden or LA position I would tell conti : "dude you wanna ride this tour for your-self, cool, next time you attack I'll go with you and I don't care if you are my teammate"
Now every time the AST talk strategy in the team bus, everyone will be thinking :" that's the TEAM strategy, and there is the unknown conti's strategy"
Wheels Go Round and Round said:
heheheheh good one!!!
he should be scared about his incredible climbing and time trialing speeds!!oh wait..are you serious???
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Oldman said:
Mostly agree, AC didn't come close to overcooking himself
JB using media to maintain some mystery, not throwing AC under the bus, didn't want jersey today tho and it actually all works out perfect for Astana.
Juan Speeder said:
Wow, you fanboys take your hero not being good enough to win pretty seriously. Dang.
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dadoorsron said:
Eh, I believe Andy's story. The second after Contador started his attack he was close behind him going strong and I think he could have gone with him if he hadn't been blocked off. Too bad, but there are many more stages to come. I also don't remember who was behind Andy, it could have also been Cadel for example. I also don't think that Klöden was still in that group, so that only makes two Astana riders with Levi and Lance.
Anyways great move by Brice Feillu though, congratulations! I hope we'll be seeing more of him in the years to come.
Wheels Go Round and Round said:
....says the "Edge Liver".....better known as "The living joke"
indurain666 said:heheheheh good one!!!
oh wait..are you serious???
So why do you think AC needed to take time then?
american psycho said:TFF is a forum hero who is always right and we should just all think like him so the positive energy will flow into his hero's aura.
along the lines of "lance blows - that hyper-doped maggot doesn't deserve to lick the great TFF's sweaty shorts"
Another fanboy who just cannot stand that he didn't get to come here today and say "See, I told you so." You guys have A LOT wrapped up in your hero worship. Dang.
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LinkAge said:
Oh - its obvious that Ac has gone against the team tactics today going on what both LA & JB said after the stage. It means - whether or not it is true that AC believes he is not getting team support.
Yes going against your DS is a big no no... but I dont think JB will be AC's DS for too long.
Yes- going against your team is a dangerous ploy even with his ability.
I dont think Kloden getting gaped is a major issue - Kloden and Levi are pretty much 'superdomestiques'.
One of the interviews said that JB kept telling the team to slow down on the chase up to the first mountain. He didn't want the yellow jersey. I understand Contador attacking but I think he might have screwed up if that AG2R rider can hang on to the pace tomorrow. If not, Astana will have to ride the front.
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Another interview with Bruyneel reveals the following. He denies that agreements had been made about the final kms of the stage with regard to attacking.
around 1:20
So when Armstrong claims that he didn't expect the attack because it wasn't according to the plan, it goes against the words of DS Bruyneel.
around 1:20
So when Armstrong claims that he didn't expect the attack because it wasn't according to the plan, it goes against the words of DS Bruyneel.
Must we fill the forum and this thread with needless and juvenile jabs and barbs back and forth?
And no Thoughtforfood, pointing that out does not relegate me to moral equivalency. It just means there are people here who would love to read and talk about the tour sans people hurling insults back and forth.
And no Thoughtforfood, pointing that out does not relegate me to moral equivalency. It just means there are people here who would love to read and talk about the tour sans people hurling insults back and forth.
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I am just not too sure what to make of LA's quote in the end when he said 'The TEAM is not the problem!"
Is he all of a sudden the designated leader purely because he won 7 tours?
And therefore DESERVE the right to dictate what happens ??
If I was in Bertie's shoes, I would think by my lonesome self - "Hey, I WON THREE Grand Tours and rode EVERY year for the last three years. I did not sit on my *** and daydreamed about riding the TdF again. And do ANYONE ask for an interview with me ? "
IMHO he did this just to stamp a little bit more authority on the tour, regardless of listening to JB screaming in his ear plus he was in Spain and can impress the local fans a bit.
I think there is more in-fighting going on than what is visible or blurted out from LA's mouth after the ride today, but that is just my $0.02
Is he all of a sudden the designated leader purely because he won 7 tours?
And therefore DESERVE the right to dictate what happens ??
If I was in Bertie's shoes, I would think by my lonesome self - "Hey, I WON THREE Grand Tours and rode EVERY year for the last three years. I did not sit on my *** and daydreamed about riding the TdF again. And do ANYONE ask for an interview with me ? "
IMHO he did this just to stamp a little bit more authority on the tour, regardless of listening to JB screaming in his ear plus he was in Spain and can impress the local fans a bit.
I think there is more in-fighting going on than what is visible or blurted out from LA's mouth after the ride today, but that is just my $0.02
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