One minute power/ watts

[Nobody73]

Does anyone know what Alliphillipe's one minute wattages run? This seems to be how he breaks away, usually uphill. That course was made for someone who has that ability to pull it out when everyone is on their limit. MVP and AERTS have this too to an extent. I think it's from the requirements of their level of cyclocross. Massive bursts of sustained power then recovery.

 

[Red Rick]

Ammattipyoraily had Alaphilippe at 7.5W/kg for the final climb for just under 4 minutes I think.

 

[Bardamu]

Ammattipyoraily had Alaphilippe at 7.5W/kg for the final climb for just under 4 minutes I think.

I know that it's a twitter-account, but is that a Finnish name, word, joke or what?

 

[Red Rick]

I know that it's a twitter-account, but is that a Finnish name, word, joke or what?

I don't know I don't speak Finnish

 

[Bardamu]

I don't know I don't speak Finnish

 

[SafeBet]

Ammattipyoraily had Alaphilippe at 7.5W/kg for the final climb for just under 4 minutes I think.

Mihai Simion (and Vayer) had him at 8 w/kg.
Of course the number could be higher for a one minute effort.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Mihai Simion (and Vayer) had him at 8 w/kg.
Of course the number could be higher for a one minute effort.

If Vayer can possibly make it look any more suspicious, he will not hesitate to do so
He's pulling what's left of his hair out, because a rider from Quickstep is the first French Worldchampion since a rider from Festina.

That said, i don't know which is correct, just a bit predictable that Vayer & co would come up with a higher number.

MVP and AERTS have this too to an extent. I think it's from the requirements of their level of cyclocross. Massive bursts of sustained power then recovery.

I know what you mean with Mathieu, though it is still completely different compared to Alaphilippe. But Aerts? He's a good climber for his size/weight but i can't remember him dropping anyone like that on a regular basis. If anything, i'd probably say Iserbyt or Pidcock. Mini-Nys already ridicules Aerts on these types of things.

 

[King Boonen]

Mihai Simion (and Vayer) had him at 8 w/kg.
Of course the number could be higher for a one minute effort.

It's going to be a lot higher for 1 minute. I know local cat 2/3 riders who can do 8w/kg for a minute.

 

[memyselfandI]

I know that it's a twitter-account, but is that a Finnish name, word, joke or what?

Surprisingly Google Translate telling ammattipyöräily means professional cycling..

 

[memyselfandI]

It's going to be a lot higher for 1 minute. I know local cat 2/3 riders who can do 8w/kg for a minute.

It could be 9-10w/kg but it's of depending how one saved his/her money before that very moment. Alaphilippe was protected and maybe sandbagged climbs just a bit in earlier parts of the race to make this possible. And he is one of the very best in this. Very light of course, so absolute watts are not that big as trackies do, but after 6+ hrs..

 

[Bardamu]

Surprisingly Google Translate telling ammattipyöräily means professional cycling..

What are the odds.

 

[King Boonen]

It could be 9-10w/kg but it's of depending how one saved his/her money before that very moment. Alaphilippe was protected and maybe sandbagged climbs just a bit in earlier parts of the race to make this possible. And he is one of the very best in this. Very light of course, so absolute watts are not that big as trackies do, but after 6+ hrs..

It’s going to be more like 13+ w/kg for Alaphilippe, and I’d guess that he’s able to produce pretty much the same effort at the end of a long race as he would fresh, give or take a bit.

 

[tobydawq]

Surprisingly Google Translate telling ammattipyöräily means professional cycling..

So ammatti means professional in Finnish?

Now I wonder how they say amateur.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

So ammatti means professional in Finnish?

No I wonder how they say amateur.

amatööri pyöräily

It seems very similar, but then again, i assume the difference between amateur and pro cycling isn't that big in Finland either

I kid, i kid.

 

[Cannavaro]

It is very hard to estimate such short efforts. There is a lot of uncertainty. I calculate 8.5 W/kg for the last 52 seconds (thats the time from the beginning of the attack of Kwiatkowski to the top). That is not that high, but it was also after 3 minutes of climbing. The highest numbers I have for him are:
8.9 W/kg for 1:42 min Rue des Jardins (stage 8 of TdF 2019 where he attacked together with Pinot)
8.6 W/kg for 2.48 min Huy 2018
8.5 W/kg for 2.50 min Huy 2019

In general, I have calculated one minute efforts over 12 W/kg (for Sagan and Van Avermaet). But I am not sure how reliable these values are.

It is a big difference between fresh one minute efforts and one minute efforts at the end of four minute efforts. Alaphilippe is really the master of the later ones.

 

[Red Rick]

It is very hard to estimate such short efforts. There is a lot of uncertainty. I calculate 8.5 W/kg for the last 52 seconds (thats the time from the beginning of the attack of Kwiatkowski to the top). That is not that high, but it was also after 3 minutes of climbing. The highest numbers I have for him are:
8.9 W/kg for 1:42 min Rue des Jardins (stage 8 of TdF 2019 where he attacked together with Pinot)
8.6 W/kg for 2.48 min Huy 2018
8.5 W/kg for 2.50 min Huy 2019

In general, I have calculated one minute efforts over 12 W/kg (for Sagan and Van Avermaet). But I am not sure how reliable these values are.

It is a big difference between fresh one minute efforts and one minute efforts at the end of four minute efforts. Alaphilippe is really the master of the later ones.

Rodez?

 

[42x16ss]

It could be 9-10w/kg but it's of depending how one saved his/her money before that very moment. Alaphilippe was protected and maybe sandbagged climbs just a bit in earlier parts of the race to make this possible. And he is one of the very best in this. Very light of course, so absolute watts are not that big as trackies do, but after 6+ hrs..

Absolute maximum for a top, TOP pro would be a little under 12wkg for 1 minute - when fresh.

At the end of a hard race 9 isn't too far from absolute maximum for 1 minute. I'm more interested in what Alaphillipe held for the last 20 minutes.

 

[Cannavaro]

Rodez?

Thats a great guess!
It is indeed Rodez 12.8W/kg for 66 seconds.

 

[Red Rick]

Thats a great guess!
It is indeed Rodez 12.8W/kg for 66 seconds.

I don't know how you calculated that if there was a lot of breaking in the lead in? But for such a short effort the effect of the initial speed when hitting the incline will really distort the calculation.

 

[Red Rick]

Absolute maximum for a top, TOP pro would be a little under 12wkg for 1 minute - when fresh.

At the end of a hard race 9 isn't too far from absolute maximum for 1 minute. I'm more interested in what Alaphillipe held for the last 20 minutes.

Thing is this is a 4 minute effort roughly. We know Alaphilippe doesn't compete on 20 minute W/kg efforts. And a one minute sample in a 4 minute max effort is hardly a good indicator of 1 minute max, especially on a climb this steep.

Mur de Huy is like 8.5W/kg for just under 3 minutes, my guess is a top puncheur would really easily break 9W/kg at the end of a race.

 

[Cannavaro]

I don't know how you calculated that if there was a lot of breaking in the lead in? But for such a short effort the effect of the initial speed when hitting the incline will really distort the calculation.

You are right. I did it quick and dirty. So it is not really reliable.

 

[memyselfandI]

At the end of a I'm more interested in what Alaphillipe held for the last 20 minutes.

It's quite meaningless or at least hard to compare this statistically as there was freewheeling parts on dh included in this course final so...

 

[42x16ss]

Thing is this is a 4 minute effort roughly. We know Alaphilippe doesn't compete on 20 minute W/kg efforts. And a one minute sample in a 4 minute max effort is hardly a good indicator of 1 minute max, especially on a climb this steep.

Mur de Huy is like 8.5W/kg for just under 3 minutes, my guess is a top puncheur would really easily break 9W/kg at the end of a race.

It would be doable, unless the race was long and ridden at a maniacal pace. Getting over 10W/kg for a minute after a hard ridden 200km+ road race would be approaching the limit.

 

[Red Rick]

It would be doable, unless the race was long and ridden at a maniacal pace. Getting over 10W/kg for a minute after a hard ridden 200km+ road race would be approaching the limit.

For 1 minute, what's the estimates for the Cauberg in when the AGR finished there?

 

[42x16ss]

Good question. Could probably go through Strava posts for pros for the Ardennes races and get an idea of mid/late race peaks. I think there were some figures for MVP from last year's Amstel.

I know it's not the same but Durbridge held around 800w for around a minute a few laps in a row at the Portarlington circuit of the Bay Crits a few years ago. Those races average 50kmh+ and he was peaking for Aus Nationals though, so some kind of barometer.