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Our old friend Jan

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Former cycling pro Jan Ullrich visited a notorious doping doctor 24 times during the last three years of his career, according to documents seen by news magazine Der Spiegel.

The weekly reported that Ullrich, once the brightest star of German cycling and winner of the 1997 Tour de France, visited Eufemiano Fuentes in Madrid 24 times between 2003 and 2006. And from February 2005 and May 2006 he saTelekom and T-Mobile Rudy Pevenage organised the flights and himself went to Madrid a total of 15 times between December 2003 and April 2006 to meet with the Spanish doping network, according to detectives from Germany's federal police.

The magazine said investigators secured the evidence of Ullrich’s trips to Madrid on a computer they seized from Pevenage’s

more here:
http://www.thelocal.de/sport/20091017-22635.html
 
If only poor Ullrich would have switched to a coaching genius like Chris Carmichael then he would have avoided all his troubles. Too bad he strayed from the straight path. All he really needed was a higher cadence and a disease to champion.
 
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Pevenage said he had asked by Ullrich to make contact with the doctor because of the cyclist’s problems with his weight. The magazine said investigators found evidence of two payments to Fuentes totalling €80,000.

Jan: Tell me Rudy, do I look fat in these bib shorts?

Pevenage: Well...no...I mean...well...you don't look fat...I mean, it would help you though to to climb if you maybe shed a couple of pounds, not saying you are fat sweetie, you know I still love you and the way you look...

Jan: Maybe I should stop with the beer and sausage during the winter?

Pevenage: That sounds pretty hard, maybe we can come up with another method?

Jan: What about liposuction?

Pevenage: That is pretty invasive and I don't think you are THAT fat.

Jan: "That" fat? You don't think I am "THAT" fat? I AM NOT "THAT" FAT!!!

Pevenage: Honey, you know that isn't what I meant...I just meant...well...look, why not just go see a gynecologist?

Jan: A gynecologist for weight loss?

Pevenage: Yea, it makes PERFECT SENSE!!

Jan: Well okay then, hey will you pass me the Häagen-Dazs?

Pevenage: Sure baby, sure...
 
I like how the article mentioned that he made secret flights to Madrid. Although Jan was a very well paid cyclist, I don't think he was chartering his own flights to get around Europe. Therefore, was he boarding plans in disguise? I can see him wearing a trenchcoat with fake glasses and a mustache. That would be enough to fool any UCI agents that were on his trail. It sounds like he lived a double life as a spy - perhaps he learned these skills in the good old days of communist East Germany.
 
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from cyclingnews:

Ullrich asked him to to establish the contact because of his "weight problems" and Pevenage claimed he "had no knowledge" of any blood handlings.


does anyone believe this? Why would someone travel to Madrid 24 times, 5-6 times a year just for weight control? does anyone know, if anything like this actually happen in the real world? I mean with modern age, with phones and email.. seems like a waste of time and energy travelling so often just to get nutrition advice.

I don't believe anything Ullrich or Pevenage say, just interested if it still would be reasonable...
 
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Ullrich asked him to to establish the contact because of his "weight problems" and Pevenage claimed he "had no knowledge" of any blood handlings.


does anyone believe this? Why would someone travel to Madrid 24 times, 5-6 times a year just for weight control? does anyone know, if anything like this actually happen in the real world? I mean with modern age, with phones and email.. seems like a waste of time and energy travelling so often just to get nutrition advice.

I don't believe anything Ullrich or Pevenage say, just interested if it still would be reasonable...

The same reason riders visit haematologists and gynecologists such as Ferrari and Fuentes for "training advice"....it's an awful excuse that only fanboys are blind enough to believe.....but they can't come up with anything better.
 
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Ullrich asked him to to establish the contact because of his "weight problems" and Pevenage claimed he "had no knowledge" of any blood handlings.


does anyone believe this? Why would someone travel to Madrid 24 times, 5-6 times a year just for weight control? does anyone know, if anything like this actually happen in the real world? I mean with modern age, with phones and email.. seems like a waste of time and energy travelling so often just to get nutrition advice.

I don't believe anything Ullrich or Pevenage say, just interested if it still would be reasonable...

The larger question is: Why would a MAN go to a GYNECOLOGIST for ANYTHING???
 
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The larger question is: Why would a MAN go to a GYNECOLOGIST for ANYTHING???

This reminds me of a very odd dream I had once. I dreamt that T-Mob had a wet-nurse on staff to both comfort and, um, re-hydrate Jan.

I haven't been able to look at Jan the same since.
 
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I can't help it I have to say it "insider information"

..."This, this is a speculum, it'll only sting for a second..."
 
FKLance said:
from cyclingnews:

Ullrich asked him to to establish the contact because of his "weight problems" and Pevenage claimed he "had no knowledge" of any blood handlings.


does anyone believe this? Why would someone travel to Madrid 24 times, 5-6 times a year just for weight control? does anyone know, if anything like this actually happen in the real world? I mean with modern age, with phones and email.. seems like a waste of time and energy travelling so often just to get nutrition advice.

I don't believe anything Ullrich or Pevenage say, just interested if it still would be reasonable...

As has been said, the Lance fans believe he was seeing Ferrari for 'body fat percentage readings'. Strange how they used to do this in secluded car parks in Ferrari's campervan...:rolleyes:
 
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velonews had more: from 2003 December to 2006 April Ullrich met Fuentes 24 times (Pevenage said maybe 5-6 times a year..) Paid 80,000 euros for "receiving treatment for weight loss"! ridiculous??!
 

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Thoughtforfood said:
The larger question is: Why would a MAN go to a GYNECOLOGIST for ANYTHING???

Can people not spot the obvious...... secret flights, emotional, weight gain, 24 trips to gynecologist? ...... Jan was pregnant.
 
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Can people not spot the obvious...... secret flights, emotional, weight gain, 24 trips to gynecologist? ...... Jan was pregnant.

Man, I KNEW IT!!!
 
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This reminds me of a very odd dream I had once. I dreamt that T-Mob had a wet-nurse on staff to both comfort and, um, re-hydrate Jan.

I haven't been able to look at Jan the same since.

And you wanted to share because misery loves company? *******!
 
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Jan: the little engine that could, times 2,356.

It saddens me that we have to throw him under the bus. I guess if it keeps other athletes from dying of "natural causes" its good.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Can people not spot the obvious...... secret flights, emotional, weight gain, 24 trips to gynecologist? ...... Jan was pregnant.

Who is the father? ..or mother? ...or whatever?

The Uniballer? We know Jan got screwed by LA enough times.
 
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Highlander said:
I like how the article mentioned that he made secret flights to Madrid. Although Jan was a very well paid cyclist, I don't think he was chartering his own flights to get around Europe. Therefore, was he boarding plans in disguise? I can see him wearing a trenchcoat with fake glasses and a mustache. That would be enough to fool any UCI agents that were on his trail. It sounds like he lived a double life as a spy - perhaps he learned these skills in the good old days of communist East Germany.

Remember there was a story of male cyclists disguising themselves by dressing as women to visit Santuccione.
 
Highlander said:
I like how the article mentioned that he made secret flights to Madrid. Although Jan was a very well paid cyclist, I don't think he was chartering his own flights to get around Europe. Therefore, was he boarding plans in disguise? I can see him wearing a trenchcoat with fake glasses and a mustache. That would be enough to fool any UCI agents that were on his trail. It sounds like he lived a double life as a spy - perhaps he learned these skills in the good old days of communist East Germany.

That cracked me up too.

Man, it's gotta be a slow news day when they bring up Jan! I mean, for f*cks sake, the guy has been retired for years now and has all but been given jail time for doping. As far as I've seen, no one even questions whether he doped or not. Or ... perhaps I have just been blind to blind Jan fans?

BTW - this brings up a question I have. Is it not rather interesting that Jan fans do not seem to be nearly as deluded as Lance fans about dope usage? Just sayin' ... :D
 
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BTW - this brings up a question I have. Is it not rather interesting that Jan fans do not seem to be nearly as deluded as Lance fans about dope usage? Just sayin' ... :D

No, there were lots of deluded Ullrich fans--even ones who could figure out that Armstrong was doping still had explanations for why Ullrich must be clean. The reasons were along the lines of how he was suffering so much more while climbing than the other riders or he was so talented that he was one of the few who could keep up with the dopers. Basically look at the people defending Evans and you get the same sorts of arguments.
 

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That cracked me up too.

Man, it's gotta be a slow news day when they bring up Jan! I mean, for f*cks sake, the guy has been retired for years now and has all but been given jail time for doping. As far as I've seen, no one even questions whether he doped or not. Or ... perhaps I have just been blind to blind Jan fans?

BTW - this brings up a question I have. Is it not rather interesting that Jan fans do not seem to be nearly as deluded as Lance fans about dope usage? Just sayin' .. :D

I had raised this issue on another thread!
So let me have a crack at it:

All you Jan haters, hate excellence and have probably never ridden a bike.

Jan has never tested positive for PEDs - never!
The ecstasy that he took was during a time when he was injured and feeling down - something saddos like you would never understand because you are not champions like Jan.

I am not a Jan fan-boy but he has done more to highlight obesity than any of you losers have ever done. Bingo, lol.

The only reason Jan went to Dr. Fuentes was because of his weight issues - and he kept it secret so no-one would know because he was embarrassed.

We don't even know if Jan's blood was in Dr. Fuentes fridge - where was the chain of custody?! The Spanish hate Germans - probably some Spanish lab worker spiked Jan's sample.

Jan was Amateur World Champion at 19 in 1993 in Oslo, Norway - do you really think a guy who did that and finishes his first Tour in second would need to use PED's?? Lol...

Jeff D'Hont is a liar - it was only hearsay anyway - he just wrote a book to get money, loser. Franke is a politician just trying to get his sad bitter face on TV and hates that Jan is more popular than him. As for the German media - hello, the home of propaganda, pleeez...

So - if there was so much evidence against Jan then why is it the UCI have never started an investigation on it? O ya- because they're corrupt and sweep stuff under the carpet! Lol.... :rolleyes: