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Catching up on the thread, I find it odd people think yesterday is significant in terms of the Tour.

I think it is not… Vingegaard is closer to Pogacar now, than he was this time last year.

Also Vingegaard’s main strengths are long climbs in thin air, and his ability to recover in a 3-week race… none of which comes into play in a 1-week race like P-N.

I think the Tour is still wide open, albeit probably closer than last year, as UAE has strengthened the squad and Pogacar will probably ride it differently in terms of expending strength on minor stages.
 
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Kooij has cracked the code to beating Pedersen.

Pedersen usually prefers a long sprint, to beat people on raw power, so if you have slightly more kick, his wheel is the best place to be for a sprinter.

Obviously it helps when it is a downhill sprint, where drafting is even more effective.
 
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Kooij has finally found his sprinting legs, although to be fair he almost had to win this from the position he was in. Even in this sprint he seemed to make a mistake in shifting, maybe it's the switch to SRAM that he's had difficulties with (before the season it was supposed to be the thing that made Jumbo finally lose their mojo, so far it hasn't, except with Kooij :))
 
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Kooij might not be the most talented sprinter ever pure speedwise, but he's naturally gifted in getting into and keeping position. No coincidence that Kooij and Pedersen are the only sprinters that were in good position in all 3 sprints. De Lie and Kooij are night and day difference placing wise, and it's not just cause of a leadout.
 
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Just by you being able to say this alone says how crazy this era is.
Yes, becouse Pogacar is an impressive ITT rider. Much better than I tough at the beggining of his carreer, and even better than Roglic. But Evenepoel is destroying the rest of the GC riders on ITT and Vingegard was better than Poggi in both ITT of le Tour last year...so I have to say that, but always with ¿?
 
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Kooij might not be the most talented sprinter ever pure speedwise, but he's naturally gifted in getting into and keeping position. No coincidence that Kooij and Pedersen are the only sprinters that were in good position in all 3 sprints. De Lie and Kooij are night and day difference placing wise, and it's not just cause of a leadout.
He's good in positioning, but he was also one of the fastest sprinters last year. He beat almost everyone on pure speed. This year so far he seemed to lack a bit in that regard.
 
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I find myself chuckling over this, because I almost agree with everything that you say, which makes me wonder if you are for real or a parody of a feined foreigner trying to comunicate in English. Whatever the case, this last statement contradicts your evident love (or is this a parody too?) for Froome, because he is the personification of a cycling that is "too much controled for technology and radios." And the 70s riders were just as spectacular, but not as fast.
Maybe you think Froome is the rider I like more, just becouse usually I just write about him. But not. It is the rider I follow more maybe now...but no more.
I doidt like that way to race from SKY with him. I admire his mental capacity, and I didnt like how he was really criticed, when that it was more deserved for riders from another era, who were usually applauded.
I dont have always time...and mainly I dont have too much to add to all the good things we can say about this era, but of course I am happy about it, and I like the way riders like VdP, Van Aert, Pogacar, Evenepoel,...and as well, Landa or Carapaz (despite this last Giro looks boring)..I like as well Pinot and other riders....I just enjoy cycling. But with Froome there are a lot of bad words, not right with him IMO.
and as well I like to follow riders who were tops and had to start again...as in his moment Franck VDB or Lance (despite what they represent for cycling is maybe what I hate more) , and I used to follow his words and his performances then.

But I dont want to contaminate this treath with that...I would lke to have and especfific forum or page to talk about the possible comeback of that rider...but I am sorry...I didnt find it, so I have to put in this prestigious forum How I write anything about him and his racces, just in case he comeback to his previous level, wich would be great IMO, at the level the great this era is.
Take it easy!
 
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He's good in positioning, but he was also one of the fastest sprinters last year. He beat almost everyone on pure speed. This year so far he seemed to lack a bit in that regard.

The only time he beat some of the fastest sprinters in the world was in Munsterland Giro and that was purely because he was positioned way better than them. His other wins are against guys like Laporte, Viviani, Welsford, Mareczko, Bauhaus, Meeus, ... He's fast, but he doesn't have the speed of Jakobsen, Philipen, Groenewegen, Merlier, ... (yet). He's almost always in good position tho, and that's maybe even more important in modern sprints.
 
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The only time he beat some of the fastest sprinters in the world was in Munsterland Giro and that was purely because he was positioned way better than them. His other wins are against guys like Laporte, Viviani, Welsford, Mareczko, Bauhaus, Meeus, ... He's fast, but he doesn't have the speed of Jakobsen, Philipen, Groenewegen, Merlier, ... (yet). He's almost always in good position tho, and that's maybe even more important in modern sprints.
He beat Philipsen fair and square in Denmark. Philipsen who had just won on the Champs-Elysees. Btw, that sprint against Laporte wasn't a sprint, they just rode the peloton off their wheel.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHpLZTVQKMM
 
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Maybe you think Froome is the rider I like more, just becouse usually I just write about him. But not. It is the rider I follow more maybe now...but no more.
I doidt like that way to race from SKY with him. I admire his mental capacity, and I didnt like how he was really criticed, when that it was more deserved for riders from another era, who were usually applauded.
I dont have always time...and mainly I dont have too much to add to all the good things we can say about this era, but of course I am happy about it, and I like the way riders like VdP, Van Aert, Pogacar, Evenepoel,...and as well, Landa or Carapaz (despite this last Giro looks boring)..I like as well Pinot and other riders....I just enjoy cycling. But with Froome there are a lot of bad words, not right with him IMO.
and as well I like to follow riders who were tops and had to start again...as in his moment Franck VDB or Lance (despite what they represent for cycling is maybe what I hate more) , and I used to follow his words and his performances then.

But I dont want to contaminate this treath with that...I would lke to have and especfific forum or page to talk about the possible comeback of that rider...but I am sorry...I didnt find it, so I have to put in this prestigious forum How I write anything about him and his racces, just in case he comeback to his previous level, wich would be great IMO, at the level the great this era is.
Take it easy!
I'm still baffled by your take on Froome, however.
 
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He beat Philipsen fair and square in Denmark. Philipsen who had just won on the Champs-Elysees. Btw, that sprint against Laporte wasn't a sprint, they just rode the peloton off their wheel.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHpLZTVQKMM

True I forgot about that one but that's still only one time. Most of his wins are against Pedersen (who isn't super super fast in a normal sprint) or some C tier sprinters or because he had super positioning. And that's still really good for someone of his age, but it's not like he showed insane speed last season.
 
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True I forgot about that one but that's still only one time. Most of his wins are against Pedersen (who isn't super super fast in a normal sprint) or some C tier sprinters or because he had super positioning. And that's still really good for someone of his age, but it's not like he showed insane speed last season.
If you ignore the moments where he actually did show insane speed, you're right :)

I think at the moment there isn't really a sprinter that's head and shoulders above the rest. There isn't a Kittel or a Cavendish. De Lie probably could be up there as well, although he's more like a Sagan... not someone for the out and out bunch sprints.
 
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So no more chances for sprinters: a hilly stage followed by two mountain stages. Tomorrow it can be interesting in the last 30 km but top GC guys will want to save something for the last two stages. The question is: how many stages will Teddy win this weekend? He's the favourite everytime a selected group of climbers finish together (if he doesn't drop everyone before, that is). Obviously breakaways are a big factor as well. My guess is two stages but even a hattrick is possible.
 
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Great sprint from Kooij. I would like to see him in the Vuelta but it could depend on whether Jumbo wins the Tour or perhaps the Giro. Merlier also really strong but he was just too far.

Tomorrow I expect a breakaway stage and I wouldn't be surprised if Cort, Pedresen or even De Lie are there.