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Aapjes said:
No, being an ***. There are plenty of winners that have a little bit of modesty, like Michael Phelps.

What do you expect from him?! To be a puppydog after all the hate he received from the(expecially french) fans! The man learned to take care of himself...a constant bashing and badwill will effect a mans manner...
 
RDV4ROUBAIX said:
Weight is a big factor on the pavé, and anything less than 70kg is a really....really hard day in the saddle. Taylor is about 80kg, which is a bit heavier than Boonen, I think. I totally agree that he will win a full Roubaix in the near future. There is also the track power that comes more from the posterior. Too bad Andrea Tafi only got curious about the track later in his career, he would have been very successful.

Do you know if Davis Phinney ever did track?
 
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What do you expect from him?! To be a puppydog after all the hate he received from the(expecially french) fans! The man learned to take care of himself...a constant bashing and badwill will effect a mans manner...

Uh.....duh..hu
 
Max Cadence said:
Aapjes – If you’re suggesting Mr. Phinney is an *** with an attitude then you need to have your medication levels reevaluated.

I was talking about Armstrong. Another poster compared his attitude to Phinney's. I have no opinion on Phinney myself.
 
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ukpaul -- “Phinney will have to try and make a name for himself.”

You might want to look at three UCI World Championships, four U.S. National titles, and an Olympic appearance. A name for himself – really? Maybe Twitter-stalking isn’t giving you the complete picture.

3 UCI Worlds?? 2 of them are Junior worlds and can we count the last worlds? how many of the top guys actually went to the last track worlds?

4 U.S. National titles just goes to show the quality of the American track scene at the minute.

An Olympic appearance, wow big deal.

I do see a lot of potential but he's still only 18, how many great 18 year olds have there been?
All the American fans are doing is putting alot of pressure on some young shoulders.
Hopefully he'll handle it well and have some great people around him keeping his feet on the ground. I just hope he comes to europe and forgets alot of his American habits.
 
Belokki said:
What do you expect from him?! To be a puppydog after all the hate he received from the (especially french) fans! The man learned to take care of himself...a constant bashing and badwill will effect a mans manner...

There are many other celebrities that get negative attention and still manage to act decently. LA can do the same, he just chooses not to.

BTW, his most awful moments involve other riders (ie. Bassons & Simeoni).
 
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Still wanting some background...

ukpaul "Hopefully he'll handle it well and have some great people around him keeping his feet on the ground. I just hope he comes to europe and forgets alot of his American habits"

I can accept that you don't like the kid...but give me a break...forgets alot of his American habits? What the heck does that mean? Maybe he should start acting like the UK jerk Cavendish? He is such a great guy...he could show a young rider how to behave and act with class. Maybe Phinney needs to write a book to kick everyone in the teeth to make himself feel better.

Honestly, get over yourself. By the way, he is 18 and I would totally expect an 18 year old to complain about constant drug testing. He is a kid for god sakes!
 
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TRDean said:
ukpaul "Hopefully he'll handle it well and have some great people around him keeping his feet on the ground. I just hope he comes to europe and forgets alot of his American habits"

I can accept that you don't like the kid...but give me a break...forgets alot of his American habits? What the heck does that mean? Maybe he should start acting like the UK jerk Cavendish? He is such a great guy...he could show a young rider how to behave and act with class. Maybe Phinney needs to write a book to kick everyone in the teeth to make himself feel better.

Honestly, get over yourself. By the way, he is 18 and I would totally expect an 18 year old to complain about constant drug testing. He is a kid for god sakes!


First off TRDean your assuming that the UK in my handle stands for UK. Assumption is the mother of all F**K ups.

Ive never said I dont like the guy. I think he's doing well, I'm saying that I think your all a bit quick to make him out to be a superstar. I think your all quick to do this because of the state of American cycling at the present time. Yes Levi finished the Giro but all the good US cyclists at the present are past their best. IMHO.
Americans have the worst manners I have ever come across I've lived and worked in the US and now on an American military base in Iraq and belive me you guys are terrible, the worst thing is its down to awareness. You havn't got a clue your acctually rude, that is the reason why your disliked all over the world and that is why Phinney would be better off going to Europe and adopting there lifestyle.
Yes Cavendish is very **** sure of himself but I think alot of guys would be in his shoes he is beating the best in the world regularly not wining an under 23 event.

And as for Phinney complaining about the drugs tests, maybe he needs to shut up , he's is at the begining of his career, If he's annoyed with them now whats he gonna be like in 5 years time?
 
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Oh please...

Get over yourself. The whole internet I have lived all over the world crap...I know Americans are ***holes and jerks because I have lived there and worked there blah blah blah!! By the way if that is my biggest F**k up by assuming you were from the UK I guess my life is pretty good.

I don't recall anyone on here especially me, saying Phinney was nothing more than a very good prospect, with great results, I don't ever think I or anyone else on here said he was going to be a superstar...and what if they did? I ask you for specifics on your criticisms of Phinney and you turn around and attack all Americans? Maybe YOU are the one with your head up your ****.

I will not take time to denegrate Europeans or any other culture with the broad strokes you have chosen to use...I hope you know that with your little tirade you have shown your true quality.

By the way, am I an American?
 
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ukpaul said:
Americans have the worst manners I have ever come across I've lived and worked in the US and now on an American military base in Iraq and belive me you guys are terrible, the worst thing is its down to awareness. You havn't got a clue your acctually rude, that is the reason why your disliked all over the world and that is why Phinney would be better off going to Europe and adopting there lifestyle.

That's an awfully broad generalization to make. You've managed to state that two full continents of people are rude...and that one continent, and what is considered politeness there, is the solution. Was this your intent?

I think what's considered polite and what is considered rude largely depends on the society that one was raised and/or lives in.

An example, if you like. Where I lived and rode in the US it was considered customary and polite to wave a greeting to passing cyclists going the other direction. I've done this my entire cycling life. Where I live and ride now, it is not customary. I still wave, and on rare occasions I get a wave back. Is that rude? Or just not the custom here? I think the latter.

The exact same scenario can be applied with a passing greeting of "hello" or "good day" in the southeast US, where it is considered polite to do so...but it doesn't happen here at all. At best, the passers-by find it odd behavior on my part. Again, it's not rude and I don't take it that way.

I'm not saying there aren't rude people in the US...

Just like I'm not saying there aren't rude people in Europe...

There are such places...in the US and in Europe.

But, and this is important, for every place I've been where there are rude people, I've been to as many, if not more, places where I've met many a polite person. Both in the US and Europe.
 
ukpaul said:
Americans have the worst manners I have ever come across I've lived and worked in the US and now on an American military base in Iraq and belive me you guys are terrible, the worst thing is its down to awareness. You havn't got a clue your acctually rude, that is the reason why your disliked all over the world and that is why Phinney would be better off going to Europe and adopting there lifestyle.

Based upon my similar anecdotal experience, namely seeing Becks and Posh on the cover of a few tabloids, I can safely say that the Americans don't have anything over the English when it comes to douchebaggery.
 
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It all depends on what kind of people you come in contact with.
I traveled a fair bit in my life, and encountered some pretty amazing people where I least expected.
The stereotype of stupid, fat Americans is something I could never understand.:confused:
 
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ukpaul said:
ukpaul -- “Phinney will have to try and make a name for himself.”

You might want to look at three UCI World Championships, four U.S. National titles, and an Olympic appearance. A name for himself – really? Maybe Twitter-stalking isn’t giving you the complete picture.

3 UCI Worlds?? 2 of them are Junior worlds and can we count the last worlds? how many of the top guys actually went to the last track worlds?

4 U.S. National titles just goes to show the quality of the American track scene at the minute.

An Olympic appearance, wow big deal.

I do see a lot of potential but he's still only 18, how many great 18 year olds have there been?
All the American fans are doing is putting alot of pressure on some young shoulders.

I agree with your last statement (how many 2 yo thoroughbreds go on to a noteworthy career) and hope that he can handle the pressure, but three world championships (regardless of junior or senior, competition or not), national champion, and Olympian. I would like to win a race and winning a single race would be a big deal for me. Phinney's palmares are a big deal and he should be proud. I've represented my state in rugby union and I was very proud of that achievement. Representing your country, let alone winning international competitions and being world champion, would be the ultimate. I think it is unfair to belittle his remarkable talent and achievements. (And before any nationalistic jingo gets thrown around, I am not American).
 

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ukpaul said:
Americans have the worst manners I have ever come across I've lived and worked in the US and now on an American military base in Iraq and belive me you guys are terrible, the worst thing is its down to awareness. You havn't got a clue your acctually rude, that is the reason why your disliked all over the world and that is why Phinney would be better off going to Europe and adopting there lifestyle.

I lived in the UK for 3 years....it was horrible.

Terrible food, the worst weather on earth, sloppy women. The local's spent most of their time drunk and getting beat up. If forced to think of something positive to say the best I could think of would that the women, while hideously ugly, were very "giving"...... especially to Americans as the locals were usually drunk unable to perform.

If you could get past their pasty white skin and dental work that looked like it had been done with a hammer they could be fun for a night.......but they were kinda like a moped, fun to ride but you don't want your friends to see you on one.
 
Eva Maria said:
I lived in the UK for 3 years....it was horrible.

Terrible food, the worst weather on earth, sloppy women. The local's spent most of their time drunk and getting beat up. If forced to think of something positive to say the best I could think of would that the women, while hideously ugly, were very "giving"...... especially to Americans as the locals were usually drunk unable to perform.

If you could get past their pasty white skin and dental work that looked like it had been done with a hammer they could be fun for a night.......but they were kinda like a moped, fun to ride but you don't want your friends to see you on one.

Funnily enough, I could say the exact same thing about American ladies.

However, being on topic, I have had the fortuante opportunity to speak to Taylor Phinney a couple of times in Manchester when he has raced there and I have found it to be a pleasure both times. Now unless I am also a complete jerk I would consider that the previous statements are untrue about him also being one.

With regards to drug testing, I could imagine it is down to being a teenager and not wanting to have to say where you will be at some point every single day. I know I used to have that problem when I was his age with my mother, and am sure you have all had that yourselves in the past.

Give him a year or two to experience it all and then see what he is like, but at the moment don't knock him for just being a teenager.
 
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ukpaul said:
I do see a lot of potential but he's still only 18, how many great 18 year olds have there been?

There was that one guy, I think he won Junior World's TT championship as well, Greg something or other. Turned out to be a bitter old **** but had a pretty good career.

I just want to add that it is so fun for this old hack to watch the the Phinneys, Petersons, VanGardens(sp), and all of the other young Americans who are racing and placing around the world.