Pat McQuaid is a dxxk !!!!!

[orbeas]

Looks like El Presidente has upset some more lady racers !!!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hosking-takes-swipe-at-pat-mcquaid

Well he is a complete baffoone !!!!!

and he is in charge of our lovely sport ???????????

 

[Sofía_]

Hosking Hosking... calling for more equality & looking overweight... it's not serious

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Pat McQuaid is "kind of a d*ck" though, so I don't see any reason not to point it out.

 

[The Hitch]

Yep, hes a duck alright.

 

[T-Nielsen]

Yep, hes a duck alright.

Stop reading my mind !!!... Allthough, while you are there, where did I leave my keys...

 

[Kazistuta]

Isn't it possible to just bump the old "McQuaid sucks!" threads ?

Even though you're right, it's getting tiresome.....

 

[The Hitch]

Stop reading my mind !!!... Allthough, while you are there, where did I leave my keys...

Inside the house

Isn't it possible to just bump the old "McQuaid sucks!" threads ?

Even though you're right, it's getting tiresome.....

The thread is more bringing attention to the fact that even athletes are taking against mcquaid, rather than just dumping on him.

 

[craig1985]

Stop reading my mind !!!... Allthough, while you are there, where did I leave my keys...

If you're anything like me, look in the place where you don't usually look.

 

[Kwibus]

We all know he's a **** and a greedy corrupt *******. Yet he's still in charge...

 

[barn yard]

the top women racers lost their chance to make a statement to the uci about how worthy of a minimum wage they are when they 'raced' the world champs... what an absolute embarrassment that was.

pat is right in this instance.

 

[just some guy]

the top women racers lost their chance to make a statement to the uci about how worthy of a minimum wage they are when they 'raced' the world champs... what an absolute embarrassment that was.

pat is right in this instance.

So 1 race decides how women race.

It was dumb of the women not to say lets race and race hard but the course sucked even the mens was a quite boring, but Women should be promoted by the UCI not talked down

 

[theyoungest]

the top women racers lost their chance to make a statement to the uci about how worthy of a minimum wage they are when they 'raced' the world champs... what an absolute embarrassment that was.

pat is right in this instance.

It would be sad if that's the only women's race Pat McDi.ck ever saw, like you.

 

[barn yard]

actually i have been involved in womens racing for years

a minimum wage would destroy women's 'pro' racing

 

[Dancing On The Pedals]

the top women racers lost their chance to make a statement to the uci about how worthy of a minimum wage they are when they 'raced' the world champs... what an absolute embarrassment that was.

pat is right in this instance.

The way it was raced was more due to the course and the fact it was not challenging enough to force a selection. Yes the women could have tried to make it more exciting, but even the men's was tedious and predictable to watch.

actually i have been involved in womens racing for years

a minimum wage would destroy women's 'pro' racing

How so? Surely having some sort of established wage structure and thereby increasing the professionalisation of the women's peloton would help matters? (genuine questions, not trying to disagree with you)

 

[barn yard]

How so? Surely having some sort of established wage structure and thereby increasing the professionalisation of the women's peloton would help matters? (genuine questions, not trying to disagree with you)

no worries and i am not trying to argue either, but the reality is that pat is correct on this issue (rare i know).

you need to think about where the money comes from.

teams are barely able to run at the moment, fundraisers, auctions, people running teams with their own money.

if you have to pay people a base wage... lets say a sponsor is outlaying $100k to a team already, with wages now they need to outlay $150k (for example)... you think they will be ok with that? they are already getting zero return on their investment because there is no tv/quality cycling press coverage. now you want them to hand over substantially more money for no more return... that sponsor will walk away from the sport and the team will collapse.

this is a very very simplified version of what will happen but i hope it makes sense.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

How so? Surely having some sort of established wage structure and thereby increasing the professionalisation of the women's peloton would help matters? (genuine questions, not trying to disagree with you)

Sadly women's cycling is not funded by the magic money tree, so an Irish numpty announcing from Switzerland that they all deserve lots of money is really quite irrelevant.

Were he to ban people earning less than X from being allowed to race, the adjustment would occur through nobody racing, not anybody getting paid anymore.

 

[craig1985]

If people will watch women's tennis/athletics etc. then I don't see why they won't watch women's cycling.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

If people will watch women's tennis/athletics etc. then I don't see why they won't watch women's cycling.

Men's cycling is borderline uneconomic. Athletics relies on public funding.

 

[craig1985]

And what about tennis?

 

[Dancing On The Pedals]

no worries and i am not trying to argue either, but the reality is that pat is correct on this issue (rare i know).

you need to think about where the money comes from.

teams are barely able to run at the moment, fundraisers, auctions, people running teams with their own money.

if you have to pay people a base wage... lets say a sponsor is outlaying $100k to a team already, with wages now they need to outlay $150k (for example)... you think they will be ok with that? they are already getting zero return on their investment because there is no tv/quality cycling press coverage. now you want them to hand over substantially more money for no more return... that sponsor will walk away from the sport and the team will collapse.

this is a very very simplified version of what will happen but i hope it makes sense.

Does make sense, thanks!

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

And what about tennis?

Having the 4 slams parallel with the men gives them a massive cross subsidy. Can't say I have any interest in womens tennis at all, but it seems to do OK.

Regardless, your argument is somewhat akin to saying that you're good at knitting, thus you should be good at football. It's a total non sequitur.

Women's cycling is not economic, and trying to regulate it as if it was will just kill it.

 

[Polyarmour]

And what about tennis?

Indeed, what about tennis?

I actually remember women's tennis being in a similar predicament to that women's cycling is now in. The interesting thing was that the campaign for equal pay in tennis was largely run on political grounds, not economic. Even now the economic arguments for women's tennis don't make sense. So economics aren't everything.

There is an element of chicken and egg about this. Because there is no money in women's cycling it is not shown in the media. Because it is not shown in the media it has no following. Because it has no following there is no money in it. Women's cycling needs re-marketing and repackaging to give it broader appeal. It's not just about the minimum wage. But if it can be done in all those other sports it can also be done in cycling.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

the top women racers lost their chance to make a statement to the uci about how worthy of a minimum wage they are when they 'raced' the world champs... what an absolute embarrassment that was.

pat is right in this instance.

It wasn't all that much worse than the men's race. It was truly awful though.

But if that was them throwing away the chance to make a statement, then surely the Ronde van Vlaanderen, the Beijing Olympics, the 2010 Giro Donne and the Mendrisio and Varese Worlds races were them making that statement. They're a bit screwed, if 5 great races don't make a statement in their favour, but 1 bad race throws it all away.

As for the multi-sport discussions, then what about XC skiing and biathlon? In these the women's races are similarly prestigious as the men's, similarly well advertised and promoted, and draw similar audience figures. Outside of a couple of countries (Norway in the XC, Germany in the biathlon) I can't see that it's exactly a big draw factor, but the fans have bought into the women's competition alright.

 

[The Hitch]

If people will watch women's tennis/athletics etc. then I don't see why they won't watch women's cycling.

The clear difference between this thing of ours and those 2 is that in tennis and athletics, the Women join the men at the same events at the same locations.

Those who want to watch just the men will be shown the womens events immediately after / before/ both (tennis), or at the same time (athletics).

Maybe if they had Women do the races the men do, but every stage a day earlier (kind of like Womens tennis finals end up being a day earlier), and the womens and the mens races run at the same time it would get a lot more interest and dare I say, be a lot more exciting.

It would add interest to the Womens race purely to see what tomorows finish is like.

In the same way that during a 10 000m the cameras will cut to high jumps etc and cut back if something exciting is happening, the broadcasters could cut to the Womens racing (with Kirby commentating) when they are near the finish or attacks are being launched, and back to the mens if something exciting happens.

Do this during all the WT stage races, maybe it would work.

For classics have the women start say 2 hours earlier than the men,

They already do it kind of for FW and Ronde and 1 or 2 others but the problem, is they dont show it.

 

[Highlander]

I never understand all the animosity against women cyclists. I live in the U.S., so there is not an abundance of bike races in my area. However, I get to a few each year and the events typically have races for both men and women. There is a lot of support for the women cyclists (just like the men), which makes me think that this sport could be much more successful if it was promoted better.