Paul Kimmage

[Cycle Chic]

I think Paul deserves his own thread. Heres the link to Off the Ball.

https://soundcloud.com/offtheball/paul-kimmage-on-chris-froome-team-sky-and-the-2015-tour-de-france


Thank god for Kimmage !

 

[Cycle Chic]

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 14h14 hours ago

Just watched your report/review on ITV @millarmind Disappointing to see you with your hand in the cookie jar again.

 

[Tommy79]

He raised some great points about Sky’s terrible PR.

The wild exaggerations of Froome’s dominance in the mountains was a bit unprofessional, hate to bring the facts into a rant of that quality but one minute 16 seconds put into Quintana while the other GC guys were clearly not at their best isn’t really that much of a big wow.

And then calling for independent testing from Vayer….a guy who has a clip portraying Brailsford as Hitler on his twitter feed. Yeah, open minded.

 

[samhocking]

I lost interest the moment he said 'shock and awe performances'. If 1:30 gained on a rival in the mountains raises audiences to be in shock and awe at what they are seeing, road racing is a dead sport already!

 

[the sceptic]

Kimmage deserves a lot of credit for sticking to his principles when he could have easily sold out like Walsh.

There are very few journalists and especially cycling journalists that are capable of independent thinking.

 

[dottigirl]

I take it he's given up on cleaning up rugby then?

 

[Lyon]

HOW DARE AN ISLAND-DWELLER LIKE KIMMAGE ACCUSE US BRITS? ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE US!!! IT IS ALL THE OTHERS THAT CAN BE JUDGED BY PEOPLE LIKE HIM.

 

[Singer01]

whether he is a hero i'm dubious, however he might be the spikiest person in the whole world. i'm not surprised sky backtraced on inviting him in. i wouldn't want to spend 10 mins in the same room as him, and i have nothing to hide.

 

[wendybnt]

I like Kimmage but he is the George Galloway of cycling journalism. As with George, he's just doing his job, and I'm not sure just how much principles come into it.

Different act, same circus.

 

[MartinGT]

Re:

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 14h14 hours ago

Just watched your report/review on ITV @millarmind Disappointing to see you with your hand in the cookie jar again.

I saw this tweet but didnt see the ITV show, care to share what he's talking about?

Cheers

 

[gazr99]

Re: Re:

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 14h14 hours ago

Just watched your report/review on ITV @millarmind Disappointing to see you with your hand in the cookie jar again.

I saw this tweet but didnt see the ITV show, care to share what he's talking about?

Cheers

I saw the ITV show and still don't know.

I presume it's because Millar touched on the Froome accusations pretty much saying it the likes of himself that have caused the situation. But it is unfair to the way certain media have accused a clean team and clean rider of doping

 

[Cycle Chic]

presume he meant ITV4 - the comic book show where Millar gives his Maillar report

Its a bit like listening to a 9 year old reading a storybook....well worth a laugh

 

[dottigirl]

Re: Re:

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 14h14 hours ago

Just watched your report/review on ITV @millarmind Disappointing to see you with your hand in the cookie jar again.

I saw this tweet but didnt see the ITV show, care to share what he's talking about?

Cheers

Millar (on the Tuesday ITV4 highlights summary he does):

As an ex-doper, I'm aware I am part of Chris' problem as he and other members of Team Sky continue to pay the price for the mistakes of my own and previous generations.
But, for what it's worth, I believe Froome and his team to be clean, and I also maintain that the baseless insinuations of certain journalists and the actions of a tiny minority of fans are unworthy of our sport.
It is wrong that clean riders of today pay for the damage done by others in the past.

 

[barmaher]

I absolutely despise Millar, but I don't see too much wrong with what he says there. It is a crying shame that we will never believe cycling because of cheating by previous generations. He says he believes Froome is clean; I would say it is likely he is dirty, others say they believe he is dirty.

Very few actually know. But to accuse him of having his hand in the cookie jar over that statement is prepostorous.

By the way, the Galloway comparison is a good one. However, I think that people like Kimmage are necessary. We have enough cheer leaders in the media.

If you want to have a laugh, read this article by William Fotheringham in the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/21/team-sky-data-chris-froome-tour-de-france

As I say, I think Froome is probably doping, but I completely respect those who think he is probably clean. But the article above is absolutely ludicrous. Everything Sky say is taken at face value. It is basically a cleaned up version of Kerrison's speech, masquerading as critical analysis.

 

[Bronstein]

Re:

I absolutely despise Millar, but I don't see too much wrong with what he says there. It is a crying shame that we will never believe cycling because of cheating by previous generations. He says he believes Froome is clean; I would say it is likely he is dirty, others say they believe he is dirty.

Very few actually know. But to accuse him of having his hand in the cookie jar over that statement is prepostorous.

By the way, the Galloway comparison is a good one. However, I think that people like Kimmage are necessary. We have enough cheer leaders in the media.

If you want to have a laugh, read this article by William Fotheringham in the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/21/team-sky-data-chris-froome-tour-de-france

As I say, I think Froome is probably doping, but I completely respect those who think he is probably clean. But the article above is absolutely ludicrous. Everything Sky say is taken at face value. It is basically a cleaned up version of Kerrison's speech, masquerading as critical analysis.

Millar has his hand in the cookie jar in the sense that he is propagating the 'new clean era' myth in his role as a TV commentator. Millar is not some naive hick who actually believes what he is saying about Froome. Having been a professional from 1997-2014, I'm sure Millar understands the benefits of doping and how implausible Froome's transformation was. He knows full well that Froome is almost certainly a doper.

It should be noted that Millar has defended Contador in the past and pretended to be surpised when Vinokourov tested positive. No one with half a brain would have thought either Contador or Vinokourov were clean. Millar has continually said what he believes people want to hear in order to further his own interests. I see no reason why he won't continue to do so.

 

[BYOP88]

Re: Re:

I absolutely despise Millar, but I don't see too much wrong with what he says there. It is a crying shame that we will never believe cycling because of cheating by previous generations. He says he believes Froome is clean; I would say it is likely he is dirty, others say they believe he is dirty.

Very few actually know. But to accuse him of having his hand in the cookie jar over that statement is prepostorous.

By the way, the Galloway comparison is a good one. However, I think that people like Kimmage are necessary. We have enough cheer leaders in the media.

If you want to have a laugh, read this article by William Fotheringham in the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/21/team-sky-data-chris-froome-tour-de-france

As I say, I think Froome is probably doping, but I completely respect those who think he is probably clean. But the article above is absolutely ludicrous. Everything Sky say is taken at face value. It is basically a cleaned up version of Kerrison's speech, masquerading as critical analysis.

Millar has his hand in the cookie jar in the sense that he is propagating the 'new clean era' myth in his role as a TV commentator. Millar is not some naive hick who actually believes what he is saying about Froome. Having been a professional from 1997-2014, I'm sure Millar understands the benefits of doping and how implausible Froome's transformation was. He knows full well that Froome is almost certainly a doper.

It should be noted that Millar has defended Contador in the past and pretended to be surpised when Vinokourov tested positive. No one with half a brain would have thought either Contador or Vinokourov were clean. Millar has continually said what he believes people want to hear in order to further his own interests. I see no reason why he won't continue to do so.

We have a winner!!!

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

I absolutely despise Millar, but I don't see too much wrong with what he says there. It is a crying shame that we will never believe cycling because of cheating by previous generations. He says he believes Froome is clean; I would say it is likely he is dirty, others say they believe he is dirty.

Very few actually know. But to accuse him of having his hand in the cookie jar over that statement is prepostorous.

By the way, the Galloway comparison is a good one. However, I think that people like Kimmage are necessary. We have enough cheer leaders in the media.

If you want to have a laugh, read this article by William Fotheringham in the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/21/team-sky-data-chris-froome-tour-de-france

As I say, I think Froome is probably doping, but I completely respect those who think he is probably clean. But the article above is absolutely ludicrous. Everything Sky say is taken at face value. It is basically a cleaned up version of Kerrison's speech, masquerading as critical analysis.

And William Sloberingham is the same person who wrote all Millar's lies for years before and after he got caught, including the claim that Millar deliberately got caught which is a laughable lie.

 

[skippythepinhead]

Re: Re:

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 14h14 hours ago

Just watched your report/review on ITV @millarmind Disappointing to see you with your hand in the cookie jar again.

I saw this tweet but didnt see the ITV show, care to share what he's talking about?

Cheers

Millar (on the Tuesday ITV4 highlights summary he does):

As an ex-doper, I'm aware I am part of Chris' problem as he and other members of Team Sky continue to pay the price for the mistakes of my own and previous generations.
But, for what it's worth, I believe Froome and his team to be clean, and I also maintain that the baseless insinuations of certain journalists and the actions of a tiny minority of fans are unworthy of our sport.
It is wrong that clean riders of today pay for the damage done by others in the past.

how can anyone say Froome is riding clean when the BIOPASSPORT sham is designed to ALLOW doping? No one gets to call anyone clean without a mandatory disclaimer.

 

[MikeS369]

Re: Re:

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 14h14 hours ago

Just watched your report/review on ITV @millarmind Disappointing to see you with your hand in the cookie jar again.

I saw this tweet but didnt see the ITV show, care to share what he's talking about?

Cheers

Millar (on the Tuesday ITV4 highlights summary he does):

As an ex-doper, I'm aware I am part of Chris' problem as he and other members of Team Sky continue to pay the price for the mistakes of my own and previous generations.
But, for what it's worth, I believe Froome and his team to be clean, and I also maintain that the baseless insinuations of certain journalists and the actions of a tiny minority of fans are unworthy of our sport.
It is wrong that clean riders of today pay for the damage done by others in the past.

"unworthy of our sport". If that's not the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[autologous]

Re:

He raised some great points about Sky’s terrible PR.

The wild exaggerations of Froome’s dominance in the mountains was a bit unprofessional, hate to bring the facts into a rant of that quality but one minute 16 seconds put into Quintana while the other GC guys were clearly not at their best isn’t really that much of a big wow.

And then calling for independent testing from Vayer….a guy who has a clip portraying Brailsford as Hitler on his twitter feed. Yeah, open minded.

yeah, you're the same guy saying G's performance in the mountains is nothing special because "it's just one climb"

you have no platform from which to spout aspersions about exaggerations and open mindedness.

just like the Postal days, the bots are patrolling the threads and just have to chime in whenever there's a hint of criticism of Sky, even if it's as indirect as a thread complimenting Kimmage.

just look at the first 3 responses to this one.
deluded sky clowns

 

[5h1teHawk]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

Looks like BBC bottled out on interviewing Kimmage last night re: TdF

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/paul-kimmage-vents-fury-at-bbc-on-twitter-31401082.html

 

[Tommy79]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

Looks like BBC bottled out on interviewing Kimmage last night re: TdF

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/paul-kimmage-vents-fury-at-bbc-on-twitter-31401082.html

Rarely have we seen someone so desperate for attention. Possibly Millar. Must be an ex-doper thing.

 

[Lyon]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

Looks like BBC bottled out on interviewing Kimmage last night re: TdF

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/paul-kimmage-vents-fury-at-bbc-on-twitter-31401082.html

Rarely have we seen someone so desperate for attention. Possibly Millar. Must be an ex-doper thing.

I see what you did there - including one of your own when venting against someone you don't like. Clever, but not clever enough.

 

[BYOP88]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

Looks like BBC bottled out on interviewing Kimmage last night re: TdF

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/paul-kimmage-vents-fury-at-bbc-on-twitter-31401082.html

Rarely have we seen someone so desperate for attention. Possibly Millar. Must be an ex-doper thing.

Don't think it's just an ex-doper thing. Wiggins seems desperate for attention.

 

[Tommy79]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

Looks like BBC bottled out on interviewing Kimmage last night re: TdF

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/paul-kimmage-vents-fury-at-bbc-on-twitter-31401082.html

Rarely have we seen someone so desperate for attention. Possibly Millar. Must be an ex-doper thing.

Don't think it's just an ex-doper thing. Wiggins seems desperate for attention.

The way our press fawn on him he's never had to go looking for it.