Perceptions of a Doper. Part 1

[veganrob]

Read this from VN about Brandon Dwight founder of Dopers Suck. Wow, how counterfeit, Is he a Trek dealer or just a hypocrtite?

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/news/perceptions-of-a-doper-part-i_213374


Brandon Dwight
Bike Shop Owner, Founder Dopers Suck
When Filip Meirhaeghe was popped in 2004, Brandon Dwight had seen enough. As a former pro, he’d suffered at the pace set by the cheating Belgian. Dwight launched Dopers Suck, a line of apparel emblazoned with anti-doping messages. It was his way of giving the middle finger to Meirhaeghe and others like him.

“For me personally, anyone who cheats to get ahead is just a bad person. I don’t like dishonest people. At the same time I do think everyone deserves a second chance, but there is a part of me that will always have feelings of doubt.”

“With Lance, I think he’s just too big to fail. As a cyclist and a bike shop owner, whether Lance was clean or not, I think it’s better for everyone that he didn’t get in trouble.”

 

[Cloxxki]

Contador, Vino and Valverde are the worst. They are just a set of creeps. Di Luca is probably the guy I despise most. These guys just try to pull the wool over your eyes and try to insult your intelligence and have no respect for you as fans.

One is worse still. Building empire on a self-created air of cleanliness, wrapped up as a brand disguised as a wonderful charity. A for-profit cult using the lie as a foundation and sales pitch.

I agree with above though, you can't have it both ways, hate dopers and agree to let Armstrong slide.

 

[Nilsson]

Pinotti who is very outspoken on doping should be held up as an example for the younger generation.

Pinotti outspoken? I've never heard him say anything about his own history, what he has seen around him, giving specifics about how things happen(ed), naming cheats, acting accordingly (towards those people) or speak about doping in more than just general terms...

 

[hiero2]

I have to agree with the Dwight fella - unlike other repliers who think he is misguided, or a hypocrite, for recognizing the down-side of a tarnished Lance.

I believe Lance doped, and I won't wear any of the t-shirts or hats I got back when he won and we cheered him. But I also realize Lance brought the sport a lot of favorable publicity and an increase in popularity and business. The bike shop owners are better off for Lance having won the TdF 7 times.

I still think all those TdF's should have * next to them. I would still rather Lance was outed. But I can understand, and respect, why Dwight says what he does. I do not think it makes Brandon Dwight either two-faced or unrealistic.

 

[Caruut]

I have to agree with the Dwight fella - unlike other repliers who think he is misguided, or a hypocrite, for recognizing the down-side of a tarnished Lance.

I believe Lance doped, and I won't wear any of the t-shirts or hats I got back when he won and we cheered him. But I also realize Lance brought the sport a lot of favorable publicity and an increase in popularity and business. The bike shop owners are better off for Lance having won the TdF 7 times.

I still think all those TdF's should have * next to them. I would still rather Lance was outed. But I can understand, and respect, why Dwight says what he does. I do not think it makes Brandon Dwight either two-faced or unrealistic.

Well, even if it's understandable or (in his mind) justifiable, it's still kind of two-faced. He is anti-doping except for when it gets in the way of his financial interests. You could have that attitude and dope yourself, for crying out loud. It also strikes me as slightly jingoistic - he's campaigning against the cheating Belgians, but doesn't care about the cheating Americans.

 

[DirtyWorks]

But I also realize Lance brought the sport a lot of favorable publicity and an increase in popularity and business. The bike shop owners are better off for Lance having won the TdF 7 times..

You are wrong. Any growth in the industry is tied closely to improved access for cyclists (multi-use paths/dedicated lane striping) or high fuel prices.

Wonderboy did nothing for the industry. Was there more mainstream press reporting on an American cyclist? Yes. But that does not translate to bike industry revenue.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Read this from VN...

VN is nothing more than a propaganda factory for the UCI/USAC. For example they take every single opportunity to worship both Armstrongs, Kristin and Wonderboy.

Why are you wasting your time there? Their weird editorial outlook on the sport inherited from USAC/UCI creates weird junky stories like this one.

 

[spetsa]

You are wrong. Any growth in the industry is tied closely to improved access for cyclists (multi-use paths/dedicated lane striping) or high fuel prices.

Wonderboy did nothing for the industry. Was there more mainstream press reporting on an American cyclist? Yes. But that does not translate to bike industry revenue.

So, would you agree that the increase in reporting by the mainstream media, led to a greater understanding - by the general public - what the (us) lycra clad road obstructions that they saw while driving, were actually doing, and thus leading to "improved access" (aka safety on the road) for cyclists?

 

[MarkvW]

You are wrong. Any growth in the industry is tied closely to improved access for cyclists (multi-use paths/dedicated lane striping) or high fuel prices.

Wonderboy did nothing for the industry. Was there more mainstream press reporting on an American cyclist? Yes. But that does not translate to bike industry revenue.

No! You are wrong!!

Saying that NO growth in the industry is attributable to Lance is ridiculous.

Armstrong gets paid the megabucks because he delivers the promotional goods. Trek profited handsomely from its deal with Lance, for one huge example. And a lot of people buy the Livestrong junk. Do you think Lance commands insane appearance fees only because of fanboy adoration? He gets paid because sheep follow him! Lots of sheep! And if you don't think Lance was largely responsible for getting the TdF On US TV, you're nuts.

Heck, the perverse anti-fanboy fandom demonstrated in the Clinic is another example of just how influential Armstrong is.

You can debate Armstrong's impact (for good and evil), but you cannot reasonably deny it.

 

[BroDeal]

Brandon Dwight
Bike Shop Owner, Founder Dopers Suck
When Filip Meirhaeghe was popped in 2004, Brandon Dwight had seen enough. As a former pro, he’d suffered at the pace set by the cheating Belgian. Dwight launched Dopers Suck, a line of apparel emblazoned with anti-doping messages. It was his way of giving the middle finger to Meirhaeghe and others like him.

“For me personally, anyone who cheats to get ahead is just a bad person. I don’t like dishonest people. At the same time I do think everyone deserves a second chance, but there is a part of me that will always have feelings of doubt.”

“With Lance, I think he’s just too big to fail. As a cyclist and a bike shop owner, whether Lance was clean or not, I think it’s better for everyone that he didn’t get in trouble.”

One more anti-doping scammer exposed. What a deceitful muppet this guy is. There he is promoting the idea that Armstrong might have been clean while selling "Doper's Suck" gear. This d-bag should be looking for a job on Team Garmin. He would fit right in with the public relations bamboozle there.

Andreu's wishy-washy "I don't want to step on anyone's toes" position does not make him look too good either.

 

[dolophonic]

More comedy ...

Gooner dont really get why you call out DiLucca but Millar is cool..... How about Eddy ? Coppi ?

 

[spetsa]

One more anti-doping scammer exposed. What a deceitful muppet this guy is. There he is promoting the idea that Armstrong might have been clean while selling "Doper's Suck" gear. This d-bag should be looking for a job on Team Garmin. He would fit right in with that public relations bamboozle there.

Andreu's wishy-washy "I don't want to step on anyone's toes" position does not make him look too good either.

I wonder how many shop employees he has had that "supplement" for the Bus Stop ride. He is a D-Bag. When in Boulder, shop elsewhere.

 

[BroDeal]

I wonder how many shop employees he has had that "supplement" for the Bus Stop ride. He is a D-Bag. When in Boulder, shop elsewhere.

Whether someone supplements for the Bus Stop ride or not is unimportant. What is important is that it is better for everyone when money is made selling "supplements".

I'll wait for his new line of "Dopers Suck Sucks" clothing. The motto will be "It's better for everyone when the dopers are not caught."

Like Armstrong finally having to own up to his cheating would cost this guy one thin dime. How many people out there would think, "Gosh, I was going to go buy a new bike, but now that Armstrong cannot lie anymore about his drug use, I guess I'll go back to golf."?

 

[hfer07]

I believe Lance doped, and I won't wear any of the t-shirts or hats I got back when he won and we cheered him. But I also realize Lance brought the sport a lot of favorable publicity and an increase in popularity and business. The bike shop owners are better off for Lance having won the TdF 7 times.

Maybe in the USA-It was all the hype & the fairy tales he generated that caught up with people & made them buy all that sh!t that was advertised back then -so the first beneficiaries of this "fever" were the direct LA sponsors & everyone whose businees carried his name......

Elsewhere? NO-what has increased is the appeal, access & the infrastructure to use the bicycle as an alternative for transportation-those points with no co-relation to the LA BS whatsoever....

 

[gatete]

No! You are wrong!!

Saying that NO growth in the industry is attributable to Lance is ridiculous.

Armstrong gets paid the megabucks because he delivers the promotional goods. Trek profited handsomely from its deal with Lance, for one huge example. And a lot of people buy the Livestrong junk. Do you think Lance commands insane appearance fees only because of fanboy adoration? He gets paid because sheep follow him! Lots of sheep! And if you don't think Lance was largely responsible for getting the TdF On US TV, you're nuts.

Heck, the perverse anti-fanboy fandom demonstrated in the Clinic is another example of just how influential Armstrong is.

You can debate Armstrong's impact (for good and evil), but you cannot reasonably deny it.

The only thing I can agree on in your post is the fact that Armstrong got paid the big bucks in US Postal and Discovery, I wonder how much ROI they got out of that: A big NOTHING

 

[BroDeal]

I have to agree with the Dwight fella - unlike other repliers who think he is misguided, or a hypocrite, for recognizing the down-side of a tarnished Lance.

I believe Lance doped, and I won't wear any of the t-shirts or hats I got back when he won and we cheered him. But I also realize Lance brought the sport a lot of favorable publicity and an increase in popularity and business. The bike shop owners are better off for Lance having won the TdF 7 times.

I think this is a bunch of crap. Road cycling was on an upswing before 99.99% of the population had ever heard of Armstrong. The surge in cycling popularity has nothing to do with pro cycling. It is middle aged men (mostly) who need non-impact exercise to stay in shape and prove that they've still got it. The U.S. scene is mostly a recreationaly scene that is unlike other countries that have a strong club system tightly associated with racing.

 

[Digger]

All the good stuff he says in the first part of his quote goes out the window with what he said in the second part of it. I wonder is he compromised alright with regards to his position with speaking on Lance.

I have no problem with someone like David Millar who made a mistake and came with a different attitude to doping but what I really hate are these clowns who admit to nothing. Pinotti who is very outspoken on doping should be held up as an example for the younger generation.

Contador, Vino and Valverde are the worst. They are just a set of creeps. Di Luca is probably the guy I despise most. These guys just try to pull the wool over your eyes and try to insult your intelligence and have no respect for you as fans.

Really? Same Millar who villifies Landis, yet is a coward when it comes to AC and others.

 

[DirtyWorks]

So, would you agree that the increase in reporting by the mainstream media, led to a greater understanding - by the general public - what the (us) lycra clad road obstructions that they saw while driving, were actually doing, and thus leading to "improved access" (aka safety on the road) for cyclists?

No. Correlating improved bicycle access and the follow-on increased use with some Yankee doper winning a bike race is not right. They happened at the same time. But that's not the same thing.

The growth in U.S. cycling goes back to a U.S. Federal legislation project called BikesBelong. (I think) The point of the legislation was to provide a Federal subsidy to induce local/regional transit planning to include multi-use/sharrow implementation in their roads/transit projects. I think there are some other cultural/economic factors helping promote bike use too. We're pretty lucky voters tend to like the finished project. Just don't ask most voters to give up their autos.

Furthermore, my history goes back to the LeMond era. Lots more reporting when he was racing to win too. When he retired, so did the coverage. Back then there was no Internet, so mass media just quit covering the sport and the general public forgot about it. The general public has forgotten about Wonderboy already.

 

[DirtyWorks]

No! You are wrong!!

Saying that NO growth in the industry is attributable to Lance is ridiculous.

Armstrong gets paid the megabucks because he delivers the promotional goods. Trek profited handsomely from its deal with Lance

Oh really? I need some facts to back up this (false) assertion please.

Maybe you too can tell us all how Trek's Marketing strategy was changing in this era and the impact it had on Trek's business? Maybe you can mention the changes in production that improved their business too?

This issue is a pet peeve of mine so I know it well. It helps I was in the industry too.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

All the good stuff he says in the first part of his quote goes out the window with what he said in the second part of it. I wonder is he compromised alright with regards to his position with speaking on Lance.

I have no problem with someone like David Millar who made a mistake and came with a different attitude to doping but what I really hate are these clowns who admit to nothing. Pinotti who is very outspoken on doping should be held up as an example for the younger generation.

Contador, Vino and Valverde are the worst. They are just a set of creeps. Di Luca is probably the guy I despise most. These guys just try to pull the wool over your eyes and try to insult your intelligence and have no respect for you as fans.

I would say the opposite, they give you 1 hell of a show, and they even sacrifice thier health for it

 

[MarkvW]

Oh really? I need some facts to back up this (false) assertion please.

Maybe you too can tell us all how Trek's Marketing strategy was changing in this era and the impact it had on Trek's business? Maybe you can mention the changes in production that improved their business too?

This issue is a pet peeve of mine so I know it well. It helps I was in the industry too.

Why do you say he had no economic impact?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I never said Millar was cool so dont be going around and adding arms and legs on to my comments. What I said was that Millar came back to the sport with some sort of an anti-doping approach which is different to many other riders in his situation. He has even written a book detailing his own experiences at Cofidis. What sort of anti-doping approach have creeps like Di Luca, Valverde, Vino and Basso done on their return? What will Contador do with regards to this on his own return? I will tell you, they will do jack ****. Will any of them write their own books and tell us all about their own experiences with doping? Of course they will.

As for Di Luca I havent got the time of the day for him. He is the biggest creep of them all. I was delighted he took the wrong turn today in Trentino. I hope he never wins a race again. I dont forgive him whatsoever. Marco Pinotti is right about Di Luca in this interview:

Q: For example, Danilo Di Luca gave an interview this winter explaining why he collaborated with the Italian Olympic Committee’s (CONI) anti-doping commission. He said he’d done it “because he couldn’t stand being away from races”. There was no notion of him doing it to serve the sport.

Marco Pinotti: This is hypocrisy at its worst. Don’t get me started on Di Luca because if you do we’ll still be here tomorrow morning. I don’t want to talk about him.

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/artic...-with-italian-cyclings-voice-of-reason-30133/

You didnt answer the part about eddy and coppi? and if basso writes a book you will like him like millar?

 

[BroDeal]

Why do you say he had no economic impact?

He said "growth in the industry." Stop trying to use your Google law degree to start an argument by misrepresenting what others say.

 

[MarkvW]

He said "growth in the industry." Stop trying to use your Google law degree to start an argument by misrepresenting what others say.

I'm interested in what he's saying, and why. He might very well be right. This is not a simple question, and the reasoning behind his conclusion may be interesting. After all, how do you establish that one set of facts has had no influence on the "growth of the industry.

You, on the other hand, are just trolling with personal insults.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I dont like Basso because he hasnt returned to the sport with an anti-doping approach to this sport and you think he is all of a sudden going to write a book detailing his own doping methods. Haha thats a good one. Again Marco Pinotti is right about him also. But I suppose you Basso can do wrong in your eyes also. I ask you, why hasnt he returned to cycling with an anti-doping stance?

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/349023/mcquaid-praises-pinotti-for-doping-stance.html

You want me to talk about Coppi and Eddy. I will happily talk about that era for ya. I was really happy with what went on on that era. Infact it was an actual disgrace what went on in that era. Just read this piece from Greg Lemond`s wife Kathy. Do you think I am going to turn a blind eye to that? You can, I wont. Thats not sport in my opinion.

http://greglemond.com/blog/doping-and-those-we-love/

And only the other day we had Eddy coming out with his blah blah about Armstrong.

WHo the says he can do no wrong to my eyes?i never said i expexted him to write a book, i thought he deserve a little credit atleast for training with aldo sassi..go figure. And thank you for answering about coppi and eddy.Why do you assume that i turn a blind eye to doping? i dont believe anyone is clean.