Teams & Riders Peter Sagan discussion thread.

[Kokoso]

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Would Sagan be able to drop De Gendt uphill like GVA did in the Tour?

Highly doubt Sagan would have been in contention today (but then that's coming from someone who completely wrote off GVA too, so what do I know )

Sagan rarely goes all out on climbs. I don't know what to expect of him on yesterday's route, but he would be able to bridge some gaps on the descent for sure.

Someone else compared him to Canc, but do anyone see Canc do this? (and where do you see Greg in that stage?)

I think this might be little bit overrated. 47 seconds loss on Alaphillippe, who is not amogst great climbers.

Lol . Trolling again? We are not talking tour Alp d'Huez type of climbing here. JESUS.

I am not trolling anywhere. I wrote this climb might be little bit overrated, what is so horrible on that to call trolling instantly? Jesus. I've aimed to comparison with Cancellara.

 

[SKSemtex]

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Would Sagan be able to drop De Gendt uphill like GVA did in the Tour?

Highly doubt Sagan would have been in contention today (but then that's coming from someone who completely wrote off GVA too, so what do I know )

Sagan rarely goes all out on climbs. I don't know what to expect of him on yesterday's route, but he would be able to bridge some gaps on the descent for sure.

Someone else compared him to Canc, but do anyone see Canc do this? (and where do you see Greg in that stage?)

I think this might be little bit overrated. 47 seconds loss on Alaphillippe, who is not amogst great climbers.

Lol . Trolling again? We are not talking tour Alp d'Huez type of climbing here. JESUS.

I am not trolling anywhere. I wrote this climb might be little bit overrated, what is so horrible on that to call trolling instantly? Jesus. I've aimed to comparison with Cancellara.

OK not trolling just a little envious Czech soul.
I thought that when Sagan had made your boy TOP 10 TDF guy you would stop with your Sagan bashing. Stupid me.

 

[Kwibus]

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Lets hope he win MSR and PR very soon. One think is sure the guy likes challanges and I am sure when his present mission is done, we will see him going down with weight and do some serious climbing.

That's the last thing he should do if he wants to win the Tour. Less lean weight = less power.

Yes he has too, if he wants to ride for a gc in a GT.
Let's hope he will never try though, because that would be a waste

 

[SKSemtex]

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Lets hope he win MSR and PR very soon. One think is sure the guy likes challanges and I am sure when his present mission is done, we will see him going down with weight and do some serious climbing.

That's the last thing he should do if he wants to win the Tour. Less lean weight = less power.

Yes he has too, if he wants to ride for a gc in a GT.
Let's hope he will never try though, because that would be a waste

I never wanted him to ride GC in GT. That would really be a waste.
But I am sure we can find in WT calendar some one week races that he would be able to win together with LBL GDL in case of some changes in his preparation.

 

[veji11]

going for GTs makes no sense for Sagan, but he could become a Sean Kelly type of rider (keeping in mind of course that the field is far more competitive now) where he can win very hilly races too and some solid stage races : Seeing a Sagan win Tirreno, LBL, Lombardia, Paris Nice and such in coming years would be a normal evolution.

 

[Kokoso]

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OK not trolling just a little envious Czech soul.

You should be ashamed for this. I mean - this is too much. Do you know what psychological projection is BTW? And nationalism hint too, you are on fire!

 

[TomasC]

The past weekend, Sagan won Pierre's Hole 50km Bike Race at Grand Targhee Resort, Alta, WY with almost 22 mins advantage over the second place finisher. I wonder how does the level of Pierre's Hole fare in comparison with Anatomic Jock Race?

 

[Mr.White]

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Lets hope he win MSR and PR very soon. One think is sure the guy likes challanges and I am sure when his present mission is done, we will see him going down with weight and do some serious climbing.

For what? Why the **** would he lose everything that makes him so special?

To be able to win all 5 Monuments

 

[veji11]

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Lets hope he win MSR and PR very soon. One think is sure the guy likes challanges and I am sure when his present mission is done, we will see him going down with weight and do some serious climbing.

For what? Why the **** would he lose everything that makes him so special?

To be able to win all 5 Monuments

Yeah, the goal for Sagan should never be to win a GT, we are not in the 90s anymore where medical preparation could help a Jalabert achieve this feat. But going down in weight a little bit once he has won what he can on the flatter/Flanderser classics could allow him to compete for all monuments.

 

[MacBAir]

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Lets hope he win MSR and PR very soon. One think is sure the guy likes challanges and I am sure when his present mission is done, we will see him going down with weight and do some serious climbing.

For what? Why the **** would he lose everything that makes him so special?

To be able to win all 5 Monuments

In the modern era that would be an insane achievement, but losing weight won't help him at all. Fortunately he understands that.

He has more chances to win the 5 monuments like he is today. Powerful and explosive. There's many ways to win or lose, and you don't have to be a favorite to win them.

He has to play by his guns. We saw him climb with the best. We saw him drop everybody on hills. We saw him outsprint the best sprinters. We saw him held off cancellara on the ronde and dropping vanmarcke like a stone.

He has to sharp his skills, not trying to find new ones at the expense of what makes him who he is. LBL is a bunch until the last 2 hills, and the last hill is a cobbled RVV-like climb followed by a descent. Or maybe it ends on a small bunch drag.

GDL is always about whose riders are on peak shape rather than particular set of skills.

I hope he doesn't change. Maybe I'm missing something, but the only guys winning the 5 monuments did it in eras where it was pretty common for the best riders to contest every race, because the average cyclist was much weaker and specialization was as extreme as today.

No rider morphed himself in order to conquer all sorts of classics. It might happen for GTs, but you need to be what nature wants you to be to contest monuments year after year.

What you say is unproved BS.

 

[SKSemtex]

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Lets hope he win MSR and PR very soon. One think is sure the guy likes challanges and I am sure when his present mission is done, we will see him going down with weight and do some serious climbing.

For what? Why the **** would he lose everything that makes him so special?

To be able to win all 5 Monuments

In the modern era that would be an insane achievement, but losing weight won't help him at all. Fortunately he understands that.

He has more chances to win the 5 monuments like he is today. Powerful and explosive. There's many ways to win or lose, and you don't have to be a favorite to win them.

He has to play by his guns. We saw him climb with the best. We saw him drop everybody on hills. We saw him outsprint the best sprinters. We saw him held off cancellara on the ronde and dropping vanmarcke like a stone.

He has to sharp his skills, not trying to find new ones at the expense of what makes him who he is. LBL is a bunch until the last 2 hills, and the last hill is a cobbled RVV-like climb followed by a descent. Or maybe it ends on a small bunch drag.

GDL is always about whose riders are on peak shape rather than particular set of skills.

I hope he doesn't change. Maybe I'm missing something, but the only guys winning the 5 monuments did it in eras where it was pretty common for the best riders to contest every race, because the average cyclist was much weaker and specialization was as extreme as today.

No rider morphed himself in order to conquer all sorts of classics. It might happen for GTs, but you need to be what nature wants you to be to contest monuments year after year.

What you say is unproved BS.

You do not have to use the BS staff. It was my opinion. Probably wrong. I hope you are right and he will not have to change anything or to loose one gramm.

However his climbing ( as for me ) was best in 2013 when I thought he was lighter. But with him it is really difficult to say as we have very rarely the opportunity to see him to go all out in climbs. But you are right that for LBL (GDL ??) he does not have to loose a weight, that is not Alp dHuez

 

[saganftw]

LBL and Lombardia are problematic because of their place in calendar rather than difficulty,when specialized pays part of your salary you have no option to skip Tour of California which is the biggest race in USA and lombardia is so late in the season that after spring peak,tour de france peak and worlds peak very few cyclists can keep up the form to win it

winning LBL and/or Lombardia would require major overhaul of plans and training,at this point its impossible

 

[Mr.White]

Re: Re:

Lets hope he win MSR and PR very soon. One think is sure the guy likes challanges and I am sure when his present mission is done, we will see him going down with weight and do some serious climbing.

For what? Why the **** would he lose everything that makes him so special?

To be able to win all 5 Monuments

In the modern era that would be an insane achievement, but losing weight won't help him at all. Fortunately he understands that.

He has more chances to win the 5 monuments like he is today. Powerful and explosive. There's many ways to win or lose, and you don't have to be a favorite to win them.

He has to play by his guns. We saw him climb with the best. We saw him drop everybody on hills. We saw him outsprint the best sprinters. We saw him held off cancellara on the ronde and dropping vanmarcke like a stone.

He has to sharp his skills, not trying to find new ones at the expense of what makes him who he is. LBL is a bunch until the last 2 hills, and the last hill is a cobbled RVV-like climb followed by a descent. Or maybe it ends on a small bunch drag.

GDL is always about whose riders are on peak shape rather than particular set of skills.

I hope he doesn't change. Maybe I'm missing something, but the only guys winning the 5 monuments did it in eras where it was pretty common for the best riders to contest every race, because the average cyclist was much weaker and specialization was as extreme as today.

No rider morphed himself in order to conquer all sorts of classics. It might happen for GTs, but you need to be what nature wants you to be to contest monuments year after year.

What you say is unproved BS.

What you say is proved BS! He can't contest Liege and Lombardia with this weight, and he knows that, and that;s why he didn't even tried. I'm not talking about loosing 10kg, I'm talking about 3-4kg so he could improve his climbing skills. He's good on single climbs, but on multiple climbs he suffer because of his weight. Liege is ridden that way because it suits the favorites (Valverde, and Gilbert in previous years). With Sagan around Valverde and climbers would put the hammer down, he wouldn't last long. Lombardia is even harder, except for Bergamo finish, but even there they'll go hard on Ghisallo and he would drop

 

[Nirvana]

With the Bergamo finish Ghisallo is at the beginning of the race, in a 2014 like route the problem could be Passo Ganda but i don't remember a big selection, there was a quite big group until the final cobbleb climb to Bergamo Alta.

 

[Mr.White]

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With the Bergamo finish Ghisallo is at the beginning of the race, in a 2014 like route the problem could be Passo Ganda but i don't remember a big selection, there was a quite big group until the final cobbleb climb to Bergamo Alta.

Same reason, it suited Valverde and Gilbert. If Sagan was there, Movistar will blow the race apart at Ganda. It is 9km at 8% if I remember correctly...

 

[TourOfSardinia]

When is Sagan due to compete in the Rio MTB?

 

[carolina]

august 21st

 

[Keram]

https://www.facebook.com/PeterSagan...69505964466/10154409041854467/?type=3&theater Doesn´t he lose weight or it is my wishfull thinking :lol: Or need he? I saw some youtube videos and that OG course doesn´t look hilly. I will be really ridiculous now but if Slovakia wont have any gold and Sagan will save it last day of Olympics in discipline he didn´t compete for 7 years it will be coolest, most epic thing ever happend in Universe for eternity :lol:

 

[ivett23]

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https://www.facebook.com/PeterSagan...69505964466/10154409041854467/?type=3&theater Doesn´t he lose weight or it is my wishfull thinking :lol: Or need he? I saw some youtube videos and that OG course doesn´t look hilly. I will be really ridiculous now but if Slovakia wont have any gold and Sagan will save it last day of Olympics in discipline he didn´t compete for 7 years it will be coolest, most epic thing ever happend in Universe for eternity :lol:

Today Slovakia wins gold in C2.

 

[Keram]

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https://www.facebook.com/PeterSagan...69505964466/10154409041854467/?type=3&theater Doesn´t he lose weight or it is my wishfull thinking :lol: Or need he? I saw some youtube videos and that OG course doesn´t look hilly. I will be really ridiculous now but if Slovakia wont have any gold and Sagan will save it last day of Olympics in discipline he didn´t compete for 7 years it will be coolest, most epic thing ever happend in Universe for eternity :lol:

Today Slovakia wins gold in C2.

Yeah nevermind. Sagan won´t have to save the day

 

[GuyIncognito]

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going for GTs makes no sense for Sagan, but he could become a Sean Kelly type of rider (keeping in mind of course that the field is far more competitive now) where he can win very hilly races too and some solid stage races : Seeing a Sagan win Tirreno, LBL, Lombardia, Paris Nice and such in coming years would be a normal evolution.

But for that he would have to do the same thing as Kelly. Sacrifice power and short term bursts to improve in time trials and climbs, thus entirely giving up any chance of winning stages regularly. After Kelly did that he never won a Tour stage ever again.

And that was Kelly, who was already very good at long efforts like time trials. Sagan isn't, so he arguably doesn't have the same potential for those types of races.

 

[Brullnux]

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With the Bergamo finish Ghisallo is at the beginning of the race, in a 2014 like route the problem could be Passo Ganda but i don't remember a big selection, there was a quite big group until the final cobbleb climb to Bergamo Alta.

Same reason, it suited Valverde and Gilbert. If Sagan was there, Movistar will blow the race apart at Ganda. It is 9km at 8% if I remember correctly...

9km at 7%, but the last 4km at over 9%. Is Sagan is there and that is the course, which I doubt as RCS will probably change it slightly, then Movistar will definitely make the pace really high there, with multiple other teams.

 

[SKSemtex]

http://www.midweekmtb.com/sagan-sagan-sagan-oh-ya-results

Sombody on his facebook discussion writes he started from last line and giving everybody 2 min advantage.

 

[ihosama]

Somebody on his facebook discussion writes he started from last line and giving everybody 2 min advantage.

Clearly was preparing on how to pass riders in Rio. Typical Sagan. Scheming for Gold even if knows it may not be attainable. TdF 2015 all over ?

Shame he does not ride more hilly courses actively. Even domestiquing for (and almost dropping) Kreuziger on st. 20 was a feat to see.

 

[MatParker117]

Bora debut at TDU, hard luck Mr Gerrans.