Teams & Riders Peter Sagan discussion thread.

[Lil_Tommy_V]

What is everyones thoughts on Tomorrow's stage up to Paracombe? Should easily be the most decisive stage of the TDU. Will it be a small elite group to the finish or will someone sneak away ala Dennis in 2015

 

[tomorrow]

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Just a thought.
During the coverage of TDU Nygaard said that Sagan isn't the most well-spoken rider. Well, maybe he is very well-spoken, the "problem" is that he's well-spoken in Slovak. Can't really blame a guy for not being well-spoken in his third language, I'm pretty sure his Italian is also better than his English.

He's alot better with his english than he used to be, I think he does a good job with it

He's a lot better in his english, that's true. However, he often doesn't understand what he's being asked by the interviewer. And understanding spoken language with pronounciation like english is the most difficult to learn, at least for me it was.

In slovak, he's obviously fluent, however it's difficulty to say if he's well spoken. He's definitely not dull under the hood, that's obvious. But journalists in slovakia tend to give him such a stupid question, that it would be very difficult to respond in some reasonable way by anyone. Actually I am quite surprised, that sagan have not sent somebody go somewhere yet, that's how stupid the question are from time to time. Sometimes it's fun though, when sagan makes fun of the interviewer after such question.

 

[RedheadDane]

Of course I can't know if he's well-spoken in Slovak, because I don't speak said language. Just think it's a bit unfair to judge someone's wellspokenness in a language they've only really started using publically in the last few years.
But, yeah, his English has gotten better; now you can actually understand what he's saying.

 

[sQiD]

is it not obligatory to have the rainbow stripes go all around the jersey ?

 

[hrotha]

Yes, but apparently no one (who matters) cares. They're undermining it - soon it'll be a-ok to actually race with a black rainbow jersey, and before you know it it'll be like any other team jersey.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

It's interesting that Sagan is doing his best to win friends and influence people at Bora by trying to lead Bennet out (not very well admittedly) in their first couple of stages together. Sagan is clearly the main man on the team, but it's been both decent of him and quite sensible to allow the guy who used to be the main man when the team was smaller to have a go in a couple of stages that are basically irrelevant to a world champion.

 

[phanatic]

is it not obligatory to have the rainbow stripes go all around the jersey ?

Happy to see he won.

 

[sQiD]

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It's interesting that Sagan is doing his best to win friends and influence people at Bora by trying to lead Bennet out (not very well admittedly) in their first couple of stages together. Sagan is clearly the main man on the team, but it's been both decent of him and quite sensible to allow the guy who used to be the main man when the team was smaller to have a go in a couple of stages that are basically irrelevant to a world champion.

actually he didn't feel well with the heat so he told Sam that he is gonna lead him for the sprint. Right now he is playing the road captain role, and it's funny to see Sam so stressed about the hole thing.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...k/news-story/3b20712fd395d62ab71a16790c151b24

 

[yaco]

Anyway Sagan's rainbow stripes jersey will be altered when he returns to Europe.

 

[saganist]

good reflexes by him today
https://youtu.be/4tCr7Dzopjw?t=237

@yaco: I do hope he changes the jersey

 

[Jancouver]

This video is funny in so many ways, especially showing why the coverage of the TdU is so lame. This TV reporter is completely clueless. Clearly, this race has no place in the WorldTour and should be immediately downgraded to 2.1.

https://www.facebook.com/SBSCyclingCentral/videos/10154876166388427/

 

[SKSemtex]

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good reflexes by him today
https://youtu.be/4tCr7Dzopjw?t=237

@yaco: I do hope he changes the jersey

Waw amazing. What a save. I bet if somebody else is there on hi place a lot of other riders would eat the dust.

 

[sQiD]

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Anyway Sagan's rainbow stripes jersey will be altered when he returns to Europe.

how come ?

 

[RedheadDane]

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This video is funny in so many ways, especially showing why the coverage of the TdU is so lame. This TV reporter is completely clueless. Clearly, this race has no place in the WorldTour and should be immediately downgraded to 2.1.

https://www.facebook.com/SBSCyclingCentral/videos/10154876166388427/

It's hardly the race's fault that one journalist doesn't know what Katarina Sagan looks like. It not like it's a requirement for cycling journalists to know what the riders' spouses look like.

 

[barmaher]

Yeah, I don't get the big deal. There are lots of really stupid journalists operating at the Tour and the Giro, but it doesn't mean those races are shite and should be demoted.

 

[Netserk]

Does anyone know if he'll race Amstel this year? Given how well Greg does there after the cobbles campaign, it surely should be possible for Sagan to contend for the win there.

 

[DFA123]

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Does anyone know if he'll race Amstel this year? Given how well Greg does there after the cobbles campaign, it surely should be possible for Sagan to contend for the win there.

That would be great to see, I reckon he could do it, especially if he's failed to win a monument. Also Bora don't really seem to have an obvious leader for Amstel. I doubt he'd finish on the podium though; he was quite a bit lighter and a better climber imo when he did well there in 2012, and would struggle more now. In the last couple of years he's struggled to put out a decent sprint after a really tough day and hard late effort - which is basically what is needed to win Amstel.

 

[Netserk]

Unlike 2012, the final is much easier now. Coquard wouldn't be in the mix otherwise. It's a very controlled race (recently), and in the bunch it really isn't overly difficult. Once he is in shape, he'll handle such a hill easily, just see his ECRR win. Fatigue is the only hindrance, but given that both Vanmarcke and Greg will race it after a similar program, I'm not sure that will be too much of a problem.

 

[sQiD]

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Does anyone know if he'll race Amstel this year? Given how well Greg does there after the cobbles campaign, it surely should be possible for Sagan to contend for the win there.

That would be great to see, I reckon he could do it, especially if he's failed to win a monument. Also Bora don't really seem to have an obvious leader for Amstel. I doubt he'd finish on the podium though; he was quite a bit lighter and a better climber imo when he did well there in 2012, and would struggle more now. In the last couple of years he's struggled to put out a decent sprint after a really tough day and hard late effort - which is basically what is needed to win Amstel.

I doubt he will be there. The last time he did it he he came second in 2012 on the cauberg. It became a very boring race lately just like la Flèche so i don't think he is interested.

 

[sQiD]

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This video is funny in so many ways, especially showing why the coverage of the TdU is so lame. This TV reporter is completely clueless. Clearly, this race has no place in the WorldTour and should be immediately downgraded to 2.1.

https://www.facebook.com/SBSCyclingCentral/videos/10154876166388427/

It's hardly the race's fault that one journalist doesn't know what Katarina Sagan looks like. It not like it's a requirement for cycling journalists to know what the riders' spouses look like.

It was surprising to me, because this journalist is a big fan of Peter. Maybe wearing a helmet didn't help

 

[sienna]

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Just a thought.
During the coverage of TDU Nygaard said that Sagan isn't the most well-spoken rider. Well, maybe he is very well-spoken, the "problem" is that he's well-spoken in Slovak. Can't really blame a guy for not being well-spoken in his third language, I'm pretty sure his Italian is also better than his English.

He's alot better with his english than he used to be, I think he does a good job with it

The way he speaks English is part of his appeal.

 

[DFA123]

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Unlike 2012, the final is much easier now. Coquard wouldn't be in the mix otherwise. It's a very controlled race (recently), and in the bunch it really isn't overly difficult. Once he is in shape, he'll handle such a hill easily, just see his ECRR win. Fatigue is the only hindrance, but given that both Vanmarcke and Greg will race it after a similar program, I'm not sure that will be too much of a problem.

Yeah, perhaps he'd have a chance if he could hold his form, but I'm not sure I'd back him to outsprint the likes of Alaphilippe or Valverde after 250km of climbing- particularly after a hard effort on the Cauberg. Think he could suffer like he tends to do at the end of Strade Bianche, where he just can't put out the power for a late sprint. I think GVA is a slightly better climber than Sagan; Vanmarcke I doubt has any chance really unless he loses significant weight from last season. Hopefully he goes for it though, its great when the best riders go out of their comfort zone a bit and try races that perhaps don't suit them perfectly.

And he could still have three or four weeks off after AGR ready to absolutely crush Tour of California again.

 

[Flamin]

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Does anyone know if he'll race Amstel this year? Given how well Greg does there after the cobbles campaign, it surely should be possible for Sagan to contend for the win there.

Hope so, as that (together with Greg finally being the leader) would make the Amstel a bit more worth the watch. The last 3km that is.

If he hasn't announced it in his initial program, maybe he'll wait to make a decision depending on his results up til Roubaix. If he didn't win a monument, I'd say chances are pretty big he will be at the start.

 

[Brullnux]

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Unlike 2012, the final is much easier now. Coquard wouldn't be in the mix otherwise. It's a very controlled race (recently), and in the bunch it really isn't overly difficult. Once he is in shape, he'll handle such a hill easily, just see his ECRR win. Fatigue is the only hindrance, but given that both Vanmarcke and Greg will race it after a similar program, I'm not sure that will be too much of a problem.

Yeah, perhaps he'd have a chance if he could hold his form, but I'm not sure I'd back him to outsprint the likes of Alaphilippe or Valverde after 250km of climbing- particularly after a hard effort on the Cauberg. Think he could suffer like he tends to do at the end of Strade Bianche, where he just can't put out the power for a late sprint. I think GVA is a slightly better climber than Sagan; Vanmarcke I doubt has any chance really unless he loses significant weight from last season. Hopefully he goes for it though, its great when the best riders go out of their comfort zone a bit and try races that perhaps don't suit them perfectly.

And he could still have three or four weeks off after AGR ready to absolutely crush Tour of California again.

Colbrelli almost won last year, and probably would've had Valgren worked a bit less. Colbrelli is a very decent climber over short hills, but Sagan is as good, probably better. Admittedly Colbrelli does have an insane stamina and keeps his speed after 250km+ very well, which perhaps Sagan doesn't have, but his performances last year imo prove differently. Amstel is well within his reach. He even once finished 12th in Fleche

 

[portugal11]

Who cares about amstel nowadays? It's just another boring classic. He must do liege (ok, it's boring aswell), that climb with cobbles is the perfect zone to sagan demolish everyone