Peter Sagan

[DirtyWorks]

Physical gifts? I just keep reading that bs over and over again in this forum. Do you realize how hard he worked to get where he is now and how hard he still works?
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Mikel Nieve disagrees: Nieve has now had some time to get accustomed to the Sky training regimen that has been so overly successful. The Spaniard is impressed with what he has seen so far."
"In winter we have worked hard. What has changed is the amount of hours spent on a bike: many days it’s five or even more. I’ve got used to that already and I hope it will find a reflection in my future results.”"

Has it ever occurred to you that these riders are only capable of high volumes of training *because* of recovery doping? Armstrong has a quote credited to him that goes something like "What am I on? I'm on a bike busting my @ss 6 hours a day...." It turns out he was on quite a bit more than just a bicycle.

It is entirely possible Mr. Nieve is on "pan y agua" but this is Pro cycling. It's a filthy, corrupt sport run by corrupt cycling federations. So there's almost no confidence the highest ranked races run are being won on "pan y agua."

 

[Red Lobster]

Physical gifts? I just keep reading that bs over and over again in this forum. Do you realize how hard he worked to get where he is now and how hard he still works?
Nobody works like him on his team and of the top classic guys you have Cancellara who may do more but then there's a gap and not surprisingly in the races there is the same gap.
He makes it look easy but before the race there's tons of 6,7 even 8h back to back rides.
It's same thing with Quintana and a lot of the Colombians. There's a kid called Esteban Chaves who does 40h weeks... When he is racing he can easily easily stay with the best climbers and people call him "gifted". Well that's more crap, how many work as hard as him?

Now i know people will come with the BS "Oh everyone trains hard bla bla"
Mikel Nieve disagrees: Nieve has now had some time to get accustomed to the Sky training regimen that has been so overly successful. The Spaniard is impressed with what he has seen so far."
"In winter we have worked hard. What has changed is the amount of hours spent on a bike: many days it’s five or even more. I’ve got used to that already and I hope it will find a reflection in my future results.”"

In order to do that kind of volume and improve (rather than just destroy yourself) you are either supremely gifted or doping.

 

[SundayRider]

Has it ever occurred to you that these riders are only capable of high volumes of training *because* of the recovery doping?

We'll wait and see how things work out for Nieve in 2014.

Yeah if everyone was cleaned, the guy who wins is most likely the guys who's physiology allows him to train the longest/hardest.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Now i know people will come with the BS "Oh everyone trains hard bla bla"
Mikel Nieve disagrees: Nieve has now had some time to get accustomed to the Sky training regimen that has been so overly successful. The Spaniard is impressed with what he has seen so far."
"In winter we have worked hard. What has changed is the amount of hours spent on a bike: many days it’s five or even more. I’ve got used to that already and I hope it will find a reflection in my future results.”"

Do you believe this is "hard" training? Or impressive?

Do you believe changing the position of your seatpost bolts will make your bicycle noticeably more aerodynamic?

 

[red_flanders]

http://inrng.com/2013/03/peter-sagan-the-early-years/

He's the anti-Froome.

 

[therhodeo]

Do we have a real live person here who takes the Sky propaganda at its word?

 

[red_flanders]

Do we have a real live person here who takes the Sky propaganda at its word?

Dozens if not more.

 

[David_William]

Without referring to doping, you need to be gifted to be able to train in such a way with all that volume. Part of the 'talent' of being a top endurance athlete is to be able to handle such heavy workloads that others physiology doesn't allow them to.

Ever heard of progressive overload? Most people who don't suced in endurance sports never realized the importance of this.
No one starts at the top, yes some start a little higher but you just have to find where you are atm be patient and work from there. THe thing is that it does take a lot of time and people don't realize that they need to be patient.

 

[SundayRider]

Ever heard of progressive overload? Most people who don't suced in endurance sports never realized the importance of this.
No one starts at the top, yes some start a little higher but you just have to find where you are atm be patient and work from there. THe thing is that it does take a lot of time and people don't realize that they need to be patient.

Yes that applies to the average no on the street. Pro riders who have been logging thousands and thousands of miles for years are somewhat different

 

[David_William]

Has it ever occurred to you that these riders are only capable of high volumes of training *because* of recovery doping? Armstrong has a quote credited to him that goes something like "What am I on? I'm on a bike busting my @ss 6 hours a day...." It turns out he was on quite a bit more than just a bicycle.

It is entirely possible Mr. Nieve is on "pan y agua" but this is Pro cycling. It's a filthy, corrupt sport run by corrupt cycling federations. So there's almost no confidence the highest ranked races run are being won on "pan y agua."

But you don't know if they're doping either. Innocent until proven guilty, no? It seems to be reverse in this forum...

In order to do that kind of volume and improve (rather than just destroy yourself) you are either supremely gifted or doping.

Or you are patient enough to work step by step and let your body adapt? It never occurred to you? You could too have been a pro rider but you decided to blame it on poor genes. Oh weel, it's much better to talk no sense on a cycling forum.

Do you believe this is "hard" training? Or impressive?

Do you believe changing the position of your seatpost bolts will make your bicycle noticeably more aerodynamic?

I'am not much into tech i just enjoy ride my bike really. I'am quite of a observative person and if you look at successful athletes you can pick things that separate them from the rest. Now most of you are so drowned in all that doping that's basically all you can see. But if you make an effort you'll find similarities. I give just a easy exercise. Compare Kenyan runners to columbian riders like Quintana, Bentacur

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I'am not much into tech i just enjoy ride my bike really. I'am quite of a observative person and if you look at sucefful athletes you can pick things that separate them from the rest. Now most of you are so drowned in all that doping that's basically all you can see. But if you make an effort you'll find similarities. I give just a easy exercise. Compare Kenyan runners to columbian riders like Quintana, Bentacur

5 hour training rides are not hard nor impressive. Anyone going to a new team and saying that it is, is selling the team and conducting PR.

 

[SundayRider]

5 hour training rides are not hard nor impressive. Anyone going to a new team and saying that it is, is selling the team and conducting PR.

I know loads of amateur cyclists and triathletes who do 5hr rides!

 

[Red Lobster]

Or you are patient enough to work step by step and let your body adapt? It never occurred to you? You could too have been a pro rider but you decided to blame it on poor genes. Oh weel, it's much better to talk no sense on a cycling forum.

At first I wasn't sure whether or not you were trolling; thanks for removing all doubt.

 

[David_William]

If they are not hard you can do more. And back to back.
That's another problem with lots of riders, is that they think they get to certain point say 5h rides or 40mins FTP intervals and they think there's no point in progressing from that. Well the body will feel the same you don't stress i don't need to improve...

 

[David_William]

At first I wasn't sure whether or not you were trolling; thanks for removing all doubt.

Yeah i can easily see that you were a fairly successful cyclist. Think like me. You weren't patient like i'am saying and you failed. Guess why? Hmm?

 

[Benotti69]

If they are not hard you can do more. And back to back.
That's another problem with lots of riders, is that they think they get to certain point say 5h rides or 40mins FTP intervals and they think there's no point in progressing from that. Well the body will feel the same you don't stress i don't need to improve...

are you part of the pro peloton? Do you know each riders training regimes?

When did the culture of doping stop? What made it stop?

 

[David_William]

Btw now that think of it i realized that you guys are very poor updated. You are even worse than the riders now because most of you stopped in the dark era where training was just a joke no wonder you can see the gold in my words.

 

[David_William]

are you part of the pro peloton? Do you know each riders training regimes?

When did the culture of doping stop? What made it stop?

I know training regimes of most teams yes. Not all but you can ask me about sky, cannondale, netapp, giant and tinkoff and i might give some insight

 

[therhodeo]

I know training regimes of most teams yes. Not all but you can ask me about sky, cannondale, netapp, giant and tinkoff and i might give some insight

Regimen is the word you were looking for.

 

[Benotti69]

I know training regimes of most teams yes. Not all but you can ask me about sky, cannondale, netapp, giant and tinkoff and i might give some insight

How come you know these training regimes when the teams dont release the info?

 

[burning]

How come you know these training regimes when the teams dont release the info?

He's a troll, don't feed him.

 

[therhodeo]

Same guy is saying that Geraint Thomas will be dropping Cancellara in Flanders Sunday. Definite troll.

 

[BYOP88]

He's the anti-Froome.

I'm sure Froome's awesome book(when's it out Michelle?) will reveal lots of tales regarding Froome winning loads of "Maglia Nera's" at bike races. If that isn't a sign of GT winning talent then I don't know what is!!!!

 

[David_William]

Same guy is saying that Geraint Thomas will be dropping Cancellara in Flanders Sunday. Definite troll.

Yes i believe clean performances will eventually surpass doping performacnes. Bye bye Luigi

 

[therhodeo]

Yes i believe clean performances will eventually surpass doping performacnes. Bye bye Luigi

Its so cute when they're sincere.