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Phinney beats DrugPharm!

craig1985 said:
He's probably already on the programme. Worships the ground Lance walks on.

tears & shame. say it isn't so.

looks like maybe Richie Porte might be the 'new generation'?

Who was that kid winning sprints hands down in the ToC?

Hand of God?

Ball Less in no time...

What a shame...
 
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craig1985 said:
He's probably already on the programme. Worships the ground Lance walks on.

Indeed, Phinney is only the continuation of Pharmstrong's program of destruction. Nice to see Leipheimer learning a lesson of humility however :D
 
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craig1985 said:
He's probably already on the programme. Worships the ground Lance walks on.

Today, it's harder to predict the future talents since you never know who's taken what at what age.
Two examples from the Bruyneel team(s) come to mind: Popo and Brajkovic
 

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Vonn Brinkman said:
Indeed, Phinney is only the continuation of Pharmstrong's program of destruction. Nice to see Leipheimer learning a lesson of humility however :D

I'd like to think not, given his pedigree. But his parents should know better than to let him near the symphony of destruction that is Armstrong. "Appearance of impropriety" and all that.

Unless, of course, his parents know how the game is played and are fine with it, even if they didn't use PEDs while competing themselves.
 
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jimmypop said:
I'd like to think not, given his pedigree. But his parents should know better than to let him near the symphony of destruction that is Armstrong. "Appearance of impropriety" and all that.

Unless, of course, his parents know how the game is played and are fine with it, even if they didn't use PEDs while competing themselves.

..bingo..;)
 
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jimmypop said:
I'd like to think not, given his pedigree. But his parents should know better than to let him near the symphony of destruction that is Armstrong. "Appearance of impropriety" and all that.

Unless, of course, his parents know how the game is played and are fine with it, even if they didn't use PEDs while competing themselves.

The guy smoked all the domestic pros. He has shown that he can ride his bike under lots of different conditions and do it very f-cking fast. Armstrong is and will be the biggest name in bike racing for the foreseeable future. The Phinney's family decision to associate their kid with Armstrong as he started out was sound not stupid. PED 's were tested for and not found, rather than sling **** on everybody all the time, it's probably better to know who is doing the testing so that even a negative result will allow chumps to expound about what they know nothing about. You never see any of the testers names printed or soiled they would be the first person involved in the huge right wing conspiracy
 
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TubularBills said:
"It's real bad for cycling, and it's real bad for all of us who didn't participate," said Connie Carpenter, a "completely antisubstance" rider who edged Twigg by millimeters to win the women's road race. "The blame falls directly on the coaching staff, and from everything I've heard since, I'm surprised nobody died."

Referring to the 1984 Olympics

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vaul t/article/magazine/MAG1119061/index.htm

Very enlightening article. Many of the justifications are identical to those trotted out now. Same rebuttals too.
 
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I think T. Phinney is the real deal and I will hold my cynicism until he starts winning mountain stages a la Georgie H. There's nothing improbable or inconsistent in his performances and progress so far. You don't have to be a doper to be a fanboy. You just need to be naive or keen on getting your paycheck. No employer tolerates open criticism, so we'll be watching to see what he says next year.
 
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Supposedly TPhinney was paid $140K this yr as a 20yr. old to ride for a U23 squad.

I think that is the real reason his parents had no qualms about him riding for Trek/LS. Grab the cash, never know when you might crash out and be done (Saul Raisin).

However, if TPhinney was going to STAY w/ Bruyneel and Co., it would be cause for worry. However, it looks like he is not going to. Rumor has it he will likely go to BMC or the new Schleck team.

And of course those two teams are/will be beyond reproach :p

Seriously, if you believe in cycling you have to believe sometimes a real talent comes along. I think TPhinney is one of those. 20yrs. old, 6'-4", only been cycling for last two years, world pursuit champion, repeat Roubaix winner. A phenom. Believe it.

Poor Levi though. "All I got was 41minutes of suffering". It's enough to make you demand a refund from Joe Papp!
 
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NashbarShorts said:
Seriously, if you believe in cycling you have to believe sometimes a real talent comes along. I think TPhinney is one of those. 20yrs. old, 6'-4", only been cycling for last two years, world pursuit champion, repeat Roubaix winner. A phenom. Believe it.

He's been racing since he was 15! Was on Slipstream's (Garmin) Junior team. He's the real deal.
http://www.cyclingarchives.com/coureurfiche.php?coureurid=31595
 
NashbarShorts said:
Supposedly TPhinney was paid $140K this yr as a 20yr. old to ride for a U23 squad.

I think that is the real reason his parents had no qualms about him riding for Trek/LS. Grab the cash, never know when you might crash out and be done (Saul Raisin).

However, if TPhinney was going to STAY w/ Bruyneel and Co., it would be cause for worry. However, it looks like he is not going to. Rumor has it he will likely go to BMC or the new Schleck team.

And of course those two teams are/will be beyond reproach :p

Seriously, if you believe in cycling you have to believe sometimes a real talent comes along. I think TPhinney is one of those. 20yrs. old, 6'-4", only been cycling for last two years, world pursuit champion, repeat Roubaix winner. A phenom. Believe it.

Poor Levi though. "All I got was 41minutes of suffering". It's enough to make you demand a refund from Joe Papp!

Wow, The highlighted represents very good news. BMC, General Manager Gavin Chilcott is old school, in the good sense, hard working and full of the right kind of integrity. It would be great to see Phinney land there, far better than the alternatives. I think that's why Hincapie landed there after the USPS/Discovery years. More on Gavin Here:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2009...f-george-hincapie-and-allesandro-ballan_99499

Yeah, Ballan was dirty but the team did the right thing:

Cyclists Ballan, Santambrogio suspended amid doping probe

(AFP) – Apr 9, 2010

ROME — Italian rider Alessandro Ballan, whose name has been cited as part of a doping probe in Italy, was on Friday suspended by his BMC team along with teammate Mauro Santambrogio.

Ballan, the 2008 world champion, had been due to compete in Sunday's Paris-Roubaix classic in France, a race in which he had twice finished third.

"We hope to get more information," said BMC team boss Jim Ochowicz, who explained that the investigation related to events before the two riders joined the American team and were with Italian outfit Lampre.


Also, purely speculative, but I hope the reason for the mass exodus from Saxo Bank is about Racing Clean and abandoning the taint. It, at least superficially, appears that over the last couple of years there has been a rider driven effort towards mutual support and team based rejection of the programs? Maybe? and Hopefully. I guess we'll see.
 
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TubularBills said:
Also, purely speculative, but I hope the reason for the mass exodus from Saxo Bank is about Racing Clean and abandoning the taint. It, at least superficially, appears that over the last couple of years there has been a rider driven effort towards mutual support and team based rejection of the programs? Maybe? and Hopefully. I guess we'll see.

Or that andy needs something a little better than what Riis has to beat contador, and his own team in luxembourg is a subtle way to do it. I expect to see a distinct improvement in the schlecks next year which will of course be put down to new training regime, better team structure, more confidence etc.
 
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Or that andy needs something a little better than what Riis has to beat contador, and his own team in luxembourg is a subtle way to do it. I expect to see a distinct improvement in the schlecks next year which will of course be put down to new training regime, better team structure, more confidence etc.

playing the Kazakhstan, Astana, Vinokourov angle does have the home turf, looser rules mojo. What a tangled web. We try to find the bright side and it becomes Shelob's Lair. I see your point. It could easily be the opposite of my conjecture. But can we at least hope?
 
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Or that andy needs something a little better than what Riis has to beat contador, and his own team in luxembourg is a subtle way to do it. I expect to see a distinct improvement in the schlecks next year which will of course be put down to new training regime, better team structure, more confidence etc.

I think the opposite. With the stories about Andy drinking at races, from the ToC and Vuelta, and his lackadaisical approach to most races, he looks to have discipline problems and Riis may be what was keeping him in check. Give him the freedom to do what he likes and the result may not be good.
 
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TubularBills said:
Wow, The highlighted represents very good news. BMC, General Manager Gavin Chilcott is old school, in the good sense, hard working and full of the right kind of integrity. It would be great to see Phinney land there, far better than the alternatives. I think that's why Hincapie landed there after the USPS/Discovery years...

I think you're wearing your rose-colored glasses. Ochowicz and Hincapie are hardly saints.

However, the stakes would be very high if Phinney doped and threw a positive. Ppl like us would immediately see him as a fraud, and any future success would be tainted. So I do hope the talented youngsters are able to ride clean. It was troubling to see Phinney's tweets this year where be belittles the "vampire" drug-testers for doing their job though.
 
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NashbarShorts said:
I think you're wearing your rose-colored glasses. Ochowicz and Hincapie are hardly saints.

However, the stakes would be very high if Phinney doped and threw a positive. Ppl like us would immediately see him as a fraud, and any future success would be tainted. So I do hope the talented youngsters are able to ride clean. It was troubling to see Phinney's tweets this year where be belittles the "vampire" drug-testers for doing their job though.

I kind of agree with this.

People hate Armstrong, but it's not like he was the only guy doping. Ochowicz and Rihs own BMC... and they are both as caught up in Landis's doping testimony as anyone else is. Remember... BMC used to be Phonak.

I'm not attacking anyone as a doper... I'm just saying that BMC really isn't any less implicated in the current doping issues then Radioshack. Garmin would probably have been a much "cleaner" option, at least in terms of perception.
 
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Mm....LeMond maybe not so innocent?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1119061/index.htm[/QUOTE]

From the article above:

The U.S. cyclists who boosted were those most snugly under the wing of Eddy B., who could not be reached for comment as this article was being prepared. "The pressure must have been pretty tremendous," says Carpenter. "My own feeling is that the coaches planted the seeds of doubt in the riders' minds that, if they didn't do it, they wouldn't win medals. That's an unfair thing to do to an athlete—to tell him everybody else is doing it, and you can too." Doug Shapiro, a rider who didn't make the Olympic team but who has talked to several who did, says, "Eddy B. tried to sell the blood doping to everyone."

Wasn't Eddy B. LeMonds coach? If so, this raises some doubts about LeMond! Or was Eddy B just LeMond's coach in the 70's before the doping in the 80's? But it sounds like Eddy B brought doping with him from Eastern Europe.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/features/?id=2004/lemond_fantasy_camp

http://bikeraceinfo.com/oralhistory/lemond.html