Question Poll - is tadej pocagar using a hidden motor?

[noob]

If races were fixed, he would rather be paid to not win.

Ah, yes that makes more sense.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Ah, yes that makes more sense.

If course he may be applying the same tactic as Jacques Anquetil allegedly used in an edition of GP Lugano where he took bribes, but decided to win the race anyway.

 

[Casual cyclist]

His Amstel attack and LBL attack is pretty much identical to Femkes attack (only 100 percent proven ebike attack for the sceptics.) just take a look, everyone in the back is up and standing, struggling. While she just rides away seated. Remind you of someone?

View: https://youtu.be/UGwSBiHstSQ?si=3GJ8gS6H7RWGC8CW

Also, if you watch this video to the end, there appears a link where Lemond specifically talks about motor doping on some youtube podcast.

 

[hfer07]

In Paris-Roubaix around the 71 km to the finish when Poga launched his attack, he first accelerated making a gap but then there is a left turn approaching so Poga stopped peddling BUT somehow he keeps "accelerating" - not keeping speed momentum but speed increase.... very suspicious

and then today in LBL we got him dropping everyone like nothing, on the saddle in a very casual fashion while the guys behind him were peddling out of the saddle, struggling & fighting the climb.....
The highlight is the how and after such massive classics campaign performance, once tend to believe Poga should be showing some signs of tiredness or slowdown.....

 

[markene2]

Also, if you watch this video to the end, there appears a link where Lemond specifically talks about motor doping on some youtube podcast.

Hamilton, Rasmussen also said they where certain that motordoping was in the peloton yeeears back now. Also something from 2015.

According to 60 Minutes, at the 2015 Tour de France, all bikes were weighed before a time trial; French police told 60 Minutes that only one team had bikes that weighed more than the others — Team Sky. All the team’s bikes weighed about 800g more than the others.

According to 60 Minutes, unnamed sources told them that the UCI would not allow investigators to remove Team Sky’s wheels and weigh them separately to determine if the wheels were enhanced.

A story from French TV programme Stade 2 claimed that a senior UCI official frustrated French police manoeuvres against motors during the 2015 Tour de France, alleging that UCI technical manager Mark Barfield had alerted e-bike maker Typhoon about police plans to investigate suspected hidden motor use.

So there is no incentive for the UCI to let anyone get caught with a "ebike" it would kill the sport overnight. Has to be a third party that catches them somehow.

Also take a look at 2011+ at team skys mysterious unbranded wheels at mountain stages. For Wiggins and Froome. Obviously enhanced. Lots of stuff if you just dig, this has been going on for a long time.

Anywho, Pogacar obviously has some kind of carte blanche, just like Armstrong and Sky had. Thats the most annoying thing here.

 

[Ripper]

In Paris-Roubaix around the 71 km to the finish when Poga launched his attack, he first accelerated making a gap but then there is a left turn approaching so Poga stopped peddling BUT somehow he keeps "accelerating" - not keeping speed momentum but speed increase.... very suspicious

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oS45Jyvm14

(notice it in video at 7:16)

and then today in LBL we got him dropping everyone like nothing, on the saddle in a very casual fashion while the guys behind him were peddling out of the saddle, struggling & fighting the climb.....
The highlight is the how and after such massive classics campaign performance, once tend to believe Poga should be showing some signs of tiredness or slowdown.....

I noticed that during PR as well ... it was a bit weird to say the least.

Nothing like seeing world tour pros straining and killing themselves and losing time by the meter while the dude cruises away

 

[zlev11]

Also take a look at 2011+ at team skys mysterious unbranded wheels at mountain stages. For Wiggins and Froome. Obviously enhanced. Lots of stuff if you just dig, this has been going on for a long time.

why did Ineos keep Cameron Wurf, he who makes his own "special wheels" (remember when he rushed special wheels to MVDP so he could keep yellow in the Tour TT?) on the payroll as a rider for 5 full seasons after he had been without a team for 3 years previously? what was his value as a rider to such a big team?

 

[Raest]

I didn’t vote as I don’t know and I can’t accept UCI being so corrupt and moronic to allow a single team to motor dope. Nor can i accept that everyone else just takes it up the … and says thank you. That would eclipse even the russian state doping programs for callousness

 

[Casual cyclist]

I didn’t vote as I don’t know and I can’t accept UCI being so corrupt and moronic to allow a single team to motor dope. Nor can i accept that everyone else just takes it up the … and says thank you. That would eclipse even the russian state doping programs for callousness

You don't have to accept it, just understand it's happening.

 

[Rico044]

There was a podcast from a few years ago that covered motordoping. They seemed to insinuate that Jumbo dropped from sponsoring Jumbo-Visma due to rumors of motors being used. Maybe its true, maybe its not, but Visma-Lease-A-Bike hasn't been the same team ever sense 2023 when this all supposedly happened. And that video of Sepp Kuss's vuelta attack looks ridiculous!

 

[E_F_]

There was a podcast from a few years ago that covered motordoping. They seemed to insinuate that Jumbo dropped from sponsoring Jumbo-Visma due to rumors of motors being used. Maybe its true, maybe its not, but Visma-Lease-A-Bike hasn't been the same team ever sense 2023 when this all supposedly happened. And that video of Sepp Kuss's vuelta attack looks ridiculous!

The issue with the Jumbo thing is that they also pulled out of ice-skating, I believe. That Kuss attack for sure has the look.

 

[zlev11]

There was a podcast from a few years ago that covered motordoping. They seemed to insinuate that Jumbo dropped from sponsoring Jumbo-Visma due to rumors of motors being used. Maybe its true, maybe its not, but Visma-Lease-A-Bike hasn't been the same team ever sense 2023 when this all supposedly happened. And that video of Sepp Kuss's vuelta attack looks ridiculous!

it wasn't Jumbo. Jumbo was embroiled in their own scandal and had to cut back. the sponsor that pulled out was most likely Sky.

plus, didn't Vinegegaard do his most insane numbers last year? i doubt they just stopped using motors.

 

[Rico044]

it wasn't Jumbo. Jumbo was embroiled in their own scandal and had to cut back. the sponsor that pulled out was most likely Sky.

plus, didn't Vinegegaard do his most insane numbers last year? i doubt they just stopped using motors.

Yea this point is something I have thought about. Jonas was definitely as good as ever last year, but the rest of the team haven't been anywhere near as dominant as they were in 2023 and before.

 

[zlev11]

Yea this point is something I have thought about. Jonas was definitely as good as ever last year, but the rest of the team haven't been anywhere near as dominant as they were in 2023 and before.

yeah it's definitely possible that they toned it down. i absolutely dont doubt they were using motors. i just dont think Jumbo was the sponsor that pulled out because of them. they had a huge scandal themselves that caused them to cut back their sponsorships across the board.

 

[G33]

I have been a huge fan of Tadej and so enjoyed how he races, but as a cyclist who used to race, his accelerations in the last two races just has looked too abnormal. Without deep examination, the cadence doesn’t really change, and if he is switching to a harder gear, there usually is a small hiccup in cadence and obvious momentum change - which you just don’t see. It just looks like a motorized acceleration rather than a human effort acceleration. I hate that I’m suspecting that as these last five years has been the most exciting time period ever as a cycling fan. I really don’t think others are doing it or it is commonplace at all, it just is visually becoming strangely abnormal looking.

 

[YellowSocks]

The issue with the Jumbo thing is that they also pulled out of ice-skating

I knew it!

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

What would make most sense to me, is permanent mechanical assistance. Eg: a device that provides him an additional 50-100W during the entire race, because that's the impression he gives me.
I don't know whether that's feasible, so I'm sticking to chemical assistance.

 

[E_F_]

I knew it!

So that's why Jonas suddenly crashes so often.. :'(

 

[YellowSocks]

So that's why Jonas suddenly crashes so often.. :'(

Not only Jonas. They slide.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

What would make most sense to me, is permanent mechanical assistance. Eg: a device that provides him an additional 50-100W during the entire race, because that's the impression he gives me.
I don't know whether that's feasible, so I'm sticking to chemical assistance.

50-100 W would be an absurd assist. Even 20-30 watts makes a huge difference.

 

[Cookster15]

What would make most sense to me, is permanent mechanical assistance. Eg: a device that provides him an additional 50-100W during the entire race, because that's the impression he gives me.
I don't know whether that's feasible, so I'm sticking to chemical assistance.

Motors make no sense to me there would be some kind of sign of unease in the peloton if hat was the case. Chemical assistance is detectable - even retrospectively. That is a huge risk.

 

[Netserk]

Chemical assistance is detectable - even retrospectively. That is a huge risk.

The track record of riders caught says otherwise.

 

[Cookster15]

The track record of riders caught says otherwise.

Who was caught for using chemical assistance? Blood doping is how its done these days- not "substances". Even CERA (Gianetti 2008) would be detectable in the passport even if a specific test wasn't developed.

Edit: Refer my post in the Gianetti thread.

 

[Netserk]

Who was caught for using chemical assistance?

That's the point. No one gets caught, the risk for that now is at its lowest.

 

[Cookster15]

That's the point. No one gets caught, the risk for that now is at its lowest.

I just don't buy chemical assistance because there can be retrospective testing. That's why its a huge risk of another Armstrong like blow up. Plus chemical assistance has to boost oxygen transport - anything which increases a rider's blood capacity to transport more oxygen is theoretically detectable by the passport - e.g. HCT or RBC count.