Ponferrada 2014 World Championships, Sep. 21st-28th

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i was just looking at u23 time trial last year, flakemore beat mullem by 25 secs. Will be interesting to see how both of them have progressed.
 
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i was just looking at u23 time trial last year, flakemore beat mullem by 25 secs. Will be interesting to see how both of them have progressed.

Flakemore is two years older, which is a lot at that age. I'd expect Mullen to be closer but Flakemore to still have the edge.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
can that full *** phill liggett(this idiot is even supposed to live in south africa) pls stop butchering the pronouncing of meintjes! :mad:

?? You spend all your time on a text-based message board when you can't even write the English language. I think you're hardly in a position to criticize his pronunciation.
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
Flakemore is two years older, which is a lot at that age. I'd expect Mullen to be closer but Flakemore to still have the edge.

age barely matters at u23 levels. just look at many of the top class riders like sagan, quintana, uran, degenkolb and many others that were already world class at first or 2nd year u23
 
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Ryongsyong said:
?? You spend all your time on a text-based message board when you can't even write the English language. I think you're hardly in a position to criticize his pronunciation.

how many languages do you speak fluently? :rolleyes:
 
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like cameron meyer?

I have to say, if he'd gone to a team like Sky or BMC in 2012 I think he would be up there and regarded as a GC rider by now.
And although he hasn't changed into that GC role most expected he's still quite a succesful rider, who has more time to grow.
 
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age barely matters at u23 levels. just look at many of the top class riders like sagan, quintana, uran, degenkolb and many others that were already world class at first or 2nd year u23

Age matters a huge amount at U23, junior etc levels which is why we have age group competition in the first place. Super strong first year espoirs are notable precisely because age does matter.
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
Age matters a huge amount at U23, junior etc levels which is why we have age group competition in the first place. Super strong first year espoirs are notable precisely because age does matter.

it doens't matter much at u23 at all that's why it's categorized in 4 years. novices and juniors it's a lot bigger factor. that's also why u23 riders are allowed and usually are riding amonst pro's and being top class roders. sagan and quintana were already world class riders despite being u23 age
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
it doens't matter much at u23 at all that's why it's categorized in 4 years. novices and juniors it's a lot bigger factor. that's also why u23 riders are allowed and usually are riding amonst pro's and being top class roders. sagan and quintana were already world class riders despite being u23 age

I keep forgetting that I'm arguing with a lunatic.

Age matters less the closer a rider is to their expected peak. Age matters less for espoirs than for juniors, but age still matters amongst espoirs. The existence of some extremely good first year u23s does not mean that age groups are meaningless but that they are very talented, very early developers or both.

Age even matters post u23 level, which is why we expect riders to be better at 27 than at 23, although the margins for improvement get smaller and individuals who buck the trend get more common.
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
I keep forgetting that I'm arguing with a lunatic.Age matters less the closer a rider is to their expected peak. Age matters less for espoirs than for juniors, but age still matters amongst espoirs. The existence of some extremely good first year u23s does not mean that age groups are meaningless but that they are very talented, very early developers or both.

Age even matters post u23 level, which is why we expect riders to be better at 27 than at 23, although the margins for improvement get smaller and individuals who buck the trend get more common.

Couldnt agree more.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
and then doing nothing at the pro's because they've pretty much been squeezed out by australian trackprogram

I just realised Flakemore hasn't been riding track for at least 3 years now (as far as my memory serves- I don't know about beforehand), so it seems he is progressing the right way of normal road careers.
 
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Reis wasn't that strong at 1st time check, but he finished strong, still hope.

34th last year, he's the pure underdog.
 
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TheGreenMonkey said:
Mullen doing well but Reis is not that good.

I expect the top few to do even better.

You may be right but he is still quickest with only 5 riders left to go to first time check.

I would but delighted with any colour medal, we dont often get them.