Power Data Estimates for the climbing stages

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is this like the start of the climb - first descent section?

I mean seems like a bit of strange way to leave out the last 4km or so of the climb where the main riders are more likely to be on their own

Edit: just as an example, in 2005 Sastre went like a rocket from pretty far out, but wasn't even the best of the favorites in the end
 
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is this like the start of the climb - first descent section?

I mean seems like a bit of strange way to leave out the last 4km or so of the climb where the main riders are more likely to be on their own
Yeah, it doesn't make sense cut the last 4 kms.
Roglic did 6.4 w/kg with bernal in the climb before lagos covadonga, and in the last climb Roglic did 6.1 w/kg. Very good numbers in a stage where they attacked at 60 km from the finish and the speed in the stage was always high.
 
is this like the start of the climb - first descent section?

I mean seems like a bit of strange way to leave out the last 4km or so of the climb where the main riders are more likely to be on their own

Edit: just as an example, in 2005 Sastre went like a rocket from pretty far out, but wasn't even the best of the favorites in the end
Yeah, it doesn't make sense cut the last 4 kms.
Roglic did 6.4 w/kg with bernal in the climb before lagos covadonga, and in the last climb Roglic did 6.1 w/kg. Very good numbers in a stage where they attacked at 60 km from the finish and the speed in the stage was always high.
Yeah I don't really like cutting it off either.
 
So Jose Neves recently won the MTT NC in Portugal and posted his ride on Strava.
He climbed the Senora da Garca climb, 7.7km at 7.6%, in 19:38. He did 408W for almost 20min at 61kg, that's around 6.7 W/kg for almost 20min.
The guy was able to get decent results in small Chinese races when he raced for Burgos-BH and now he's climbing like Pogacar in Portugal, why am I not surprised?
 
So Jose Neves recently won the MTT NC in Portugal and posted his ride on Strava.
He climbed the Senora da Garca climb, 7.7km at 7.6%, in 19:38. He did 408W for almost 20min at 61kg, that's around 6.7 W/kg for almost 20min.
The guy was able to get decent results in small Chinese races when he raced for Burgos-BH and now he's climbing like Pogacar in Portugal, why am I not surprised?
I have no idea how much higher we should expect one day-MTTs to be in performance compared to a road stage in a GT.
 
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I have no idea how much higher we should expect one day-MTTs to be in performance compared to a road stage in a GT.
Probably a bit lower than in an easy, short road stage on the same climb, at an average speed of 23.5 km/h you'd get a benefit from drafting early on that climb.
For what it's worth Jose Neves also did over 6.7 w/kg in a MTT on a 5.5% climb in a stage race 10 days earlier, when he was beaten by 76kg Mauricio Moreira.
 
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I have no idea how much higher we should expect one day-MTTs to be in performance compared to a road stage in a GT.
Armstrong was only 27'' faster in the 2004 MTT compared to his 2001 ascent of Alpe d'Huez, but there's obviously a bunch of factors in play.

On a climb like Col d'Eze, Contador was only 3'' slower in 2007 than Wiggins in the MTT in 2012. The more drafting matters, where it will be ridden full gas, the less difference there is between a road stage and an ITT, I think.
 
Armstrong was only 27'' faster in the 2004 MTT compared to his 2001 ascent of Alpe d'Huez, but there's obviously a bunch of factors in play.

On a climb like Col d'Eze, Contador was only 3'' slower in 2007 than Wiggins in the MTT in 2012. The more drafting matters, where it will be ridden full gas, the less difference there is between a road stage and an ITT, I think.
Yes, if they race it full gas than I'd expect drafting to make up for a lot on not so steep climbs. On really steep stuff where drafting no longer matters the advantage becomes bigger in a MTT.
Of course that's always if they go full gas on the climb and the favourites don't start looking at eachother.
 
Anyone had any first-hand experience seeing what 6.5 to 6.7 w/kg looks/feels like? I would say like being passed on someone on a mountain who's going at that speed, or even holding it yourself, albeit momentarily.
 
I imagine it's just a full sprint for me.
Well the thing is, it is just an insane amount of wattage. I am not a pro, so my capacities are not very useful, but if I maintained 6.5-6.7 w/kg, it would be a lot of watts right now! It is just beyond crazy how hard that is, even for a lightweight VO2/FTP monster, then tag it on to the end of a full gas race, and it is just unbelievable.

Curious what any other elite racers on the forum have found? More interested in relatively first hand experience. No offence to the coaches on the forum but, as we all know, sometimes riders don't tell the coaches everything they are doing!
 
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Well the thing is, it is just an insane amount of wattage. I am not a pro, so my capacities are not very useful, but if I maintained 6.5-6.7 w/kg, it would be a lot of watts right now! It is just beyond crazy how hard that is, even for a lightweight VO2/FTP monster, then tag it on to the end of a full gas race, and it is just unbelievable.

Curious what any other elite racers on the forum have found? More interested in relatively first hand experience. No offence to the coaches on the forum but, as we all know, sometimes riders don't tell the coaches everything they are doing!
In the days of Armstrong, 6.7W/Kg @ threshold was the factor to win the tour. Those were the days where they needed to break to take a corner uphill. So imagine needing to think about using the break while climbing an HC mountain :)

I think if you want to feel that, you will need to do a climb using a speedelec :)
 

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