Luz-Ardiden is no Ventoux, wind doesn't make the same difference. And you have the wrong wind direction.Today they pretty clearly had a tailwind on both the Tourmalet and Luz Ardiden, but hard to imagine a 47 minute Tourmalet and 35 minute Luz + crash without great wind either.
I do think the group staying together that long on Luz was a pretty clear indicator of really poor pacing up until the 4km to go mark.
Flags seemed to be blowing with the riders on most of the climb, but that's just my anecdotal information. I do think wind can be important on many climbs, especially when it follows the same direction for the majority of it like the Tourmalet.
You are welcome to show a spot where the wind is from the direction that is predominately tailwind for the whole climb.Flags seemed to be blowing with the riders on most of the climb, but that's just my anecdotal information. I do think wind can be important on many climbs, especially when it follows the same direction for the majority of it like the Tourmalet.
That said, I doubt it was enough to explain minutes of difference, and the advantage was probably wasted by suboptimal pacing anyway. I think they went TGH pace for way too long there. Being choo choo trained for 80% of the climb doesn't make a climb fast if the domestique isn't in the top 15 climbers in the race.
The Postal trainwas also different than the classic skytrain. A lot more stop and go rather than riding a constant pace to hurt the diesel climbers who could keep up with Lance in the TTs, Ulle is the prime example.Wow they really did fly back in the day when you put all of that together and they still could not beat the time today.
The funny thing is that in summer, when it is hot or warm, you often get uphill winds during the day (anabatic winds, valley breezes) . So you get tailwind regardless of direction.You are welcome to show a spot where the wind is from the direction that is predominately tailwind for the whole climb.
Here you have a map of the ascent:
It would make more sense to say they had a headwind. But I doubt it made any noticeable difference for the ascent time.
Why is this so hard to understand? W/kg are a useful metric UPHILL, but a lot less predictive on a FLAT TT. That's because gravity's effect on the climbs is directly proportional to weight, which is easily measured.Where did you get this from- Zwift?
Prep race vs GT level tbh.The surprising part to me was how many riders were within the new record time.
8 riders were faster than Remco's record (including Valverde who pulled for the last 1,5 km of the climb).
12 riders were faster than Landa/Superman previous record, including Fabio Aru of all people.
Padun was reasonably close to that time after pulling for half the climb and reeling in a few attacks.
Do we have a power estimate of that 2020 Colombia MTF that was an easy climb at 3000m+?Maybe it's just that he still isn't used to racing in Europe (he only started racing 2 years ago an it's the first few months of racing in Europe for him), but until now Pira's climbing performances in Europe are nothing compared to what he did in the Vuelta a Colombia.
On the Alto de Linea stage he put over 1min into everyone else.
According to his Stava he did the final climb, 22.65km a 6.2% in 1:01:16, with a VAM of 1385.
The climb starts at around 1830m and tops at 3271m of altitude, if you consider the altitude it's a realy impessive perfomance.
I haven't done any calculations, but to me that looks like a high level performance, if you consider the fact that he put over 1min into Juan Pablo Suarez and Tito Hernandez and over 2min into Sevilla.
On the final 12.13kms of the climb (the average gradient is 7.2%) Pira did a VAM of almost 1500 on a climb that tops 500m above the Iseran, I say that's probably a pretty good performance for a younger rider. Pira also only started racing during the November of 2019.Do we have a power estimate of that 2020 Colombia MTF that was an easy climb at 3000m+?
Edit: Bernal was 1380 on Alto del Verjon in Colombia 2020 but that's higher on average, lower average gradient, and that has some descending in it.
Anyway my gut says it's not very high. Bernal was 1600+ VAM on Iseran, and briefly checking the Strava file from the Taiwan KOM Strava record I'm seeing 1250+ VAM right to the very top from non WT riders.
Nibali didn't upload his Strava file from the time he did that, sadly.
Only a few seconds faster than Gesink and Mosquera in 2009. A high level performance if you consider the heat, but not out of this world for a 33min climb that tops at under 1800m of altitude.2nd big MTF in the Vuelta, 2nd record.
Lagos de Covadonga should be very interesting for comparison.
I think it's decent considering the heat, the overall pace of the stage and considering the amount of time they messed around.Only a few seconds faster than Gesink and Mosquera in 2009. A high level performance if you consider the heat, but not out of this world for a 33min climb that tops at under 1800m of altitude.