Pre Tour de France-thread

[rick james]

Sadly now, if Froome starts, some piss head on the side of the road is going to cause him damage

 

[Tim Booth]

David Lappartient
“Ik heb altijd gezegd dat we de positie van de UCI over de deelname van Froome zullen bekendmaken voor de start van de Tour”, stelde de Fransman. “Dat is volgende zaterdag, dus we zullen ons in de loop van de week uitspreken. Er is iets verschenen in een krant, maar daar ga ik vandaag geen uitspraken over doen.”

"I have always said that we will announce the position of the UCI about Froome's participation before the start of the Tour", said the Frenchman. "That's next Saturday, so we'll speak out during the week. Something has appeared in a newspaper, but I will not comment on that today. "

 

[hazaran]

What on earth does that even mean. There hasn't been a single sunset without some commentary from Lappartient, and here he is again, commentating on how he is gonna comment.

 

[Tim Booth]

Re:

What on earth does that even mean. There hasn't been a single sunset without some commentary from Lappartient, and here he is again, commentating on how he is gonna comment.

probably caught unaware by a journalist and had to respond with something....

 

[sir fly]

ASO wants to make Froome work hard for the fifth title, the double and four GTs in a row.
It's a huge accomplishment, so let him have everything against... Make him earn it.

Helps to promote the race, as well.

 

[Summoned]

Re:

ASO wants to make Froome work hard for the fifth title, the double and four GTs in a row.
It's a huge accomplishment, so let him have everything against... Make him earn it.

Helps to promote the race, as well.

The idea that it helps promote the race makes a lot of sense, actually.

 

[nilfen]

I don't like that tentative to ban Froome just a week before.

At least state the fact one month before so the rider can adapt his schedule ...

Now it just seems schemy.

Hadto wait untilSKY named team as otherwise 'banning' a rider not racing

Had not thought of that. Still a strange move.

They might have notified Sky about their intend to ban Froome before the squad was annonced and Sky decided to see if it was a bluff?

 

[Broccolidwarf]

I'd like to understand..

let's suppose the Tour is a "private strip club" managed by ASO. What power does the court have to force Froome to enter this "private strip club"? pardon my ignorance. Which legal ground are we talking about: a contract between SKY and the organizers? I'm completely out of the loop on the matter...

The first example that sprang to mind for you, was a "private strip club"?

sorry :lol: let's say it was an embellishment. Anyway,the dynamics between: Teams-Organizers-UCI-Cas, are not easy to understand. Unfortunately newspapers are superficial on the matter

ASO is a private corporation, that owns and organises several races, incl. Tdf.
UCI is the cycling federation
CAS is an independent arbitration court for sports, under the IOC umbrella

What exactly is your confusion?

basically, in short..
what right does ASO have to ban Froome?
what right does Froome have to appeal?
and How does the decision by the Court limit ASO's powers?
:redface:

In principle none, if they wish to remain a UCI sanctioned race
- however, UCI is always afraid, that the race owners cut out UCI completely and found their own “league” outside UCI control, so practically they are seldom principaled with the largest race owners.

He can appeal to a civil court or to CAS, depending on what legal basis is used for the appeal, and an appeal will usually allow him to race, until it is decided upon.

ASO must abide by CAS descisions, as it is legally recognised as the “highest power” for descisions concerning sports in France, where ASO is incorporated.

 

[Koronin]

I don't like that tentative to ban Froome just a week before.

At least state the fact one month before so the rider can adapt his schedule ...

Now it just seems schemy.

Hadto wait untilSKY named team as otherwise 'banning' a rider not racing

I also think they were hoping the UCI would have had a decision by now.

 

[Son of Amsterhammer]

What a mess. Seems really sneaky to do it now by ASO, but maybe UCI is about to release their rulings?

 

[bigcog]

Sneaky by ASO but Sky didn't help themselves by not giving the team earlier although the ASO could have still announced this late in the day. I can't see him riding now. If he does it will probably end badly with a nut job taking him out in some way. Can't see the UCI saying anything informative in the coming week, if he was going to get off surely they would have told the ASO unless the ASO don't want him there whatever the outcome of case.

 

[Escarabajo]

I don't like that tentative to ban Froome just a week before.

At least state the fact one month before so the rider can adapt his schedule ...

Now it just seems schemy.

We have no idea what has been said behind doors. Maybe Sky had Thomas and Bernal in the cards for that exact reason. As for ASO not being clear, how much more clear does ASO have to be to show displeasure with the situation? Look at the news from a month ago until now.

 

[Escarabajo]

Hey guys, maybe Sky already knew it. We don't know that.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Re:

Sadly now, if Froome starts, some piss head on the side of the road is going to cause him damage

Well if his own team wouldn't be so shady that wouldn't have happened in the first place.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I don't like that tentative to ban Froome just a week before.

At least state the fact one month before so the rider can adapt his schedule ...

Now it just seems schemy.

Hadto wait untilSKY named team as otherwise 'banning' a rider not racing

I can't see that Sky have named their team yet: not on their website or on their twitter feed.

 

[Tim Booth]

I don't like that tentative to ban Froome just a week before.

At least state the fact one month before so the rider can adapt his schedule ...

Now it just seems schemy.

Hadto wait untilSKY named team as otherwise 'banning' a rider not racing

I can't see that Sky have named their team yet: not on their website or on their twitter feed.

no, but they may well have submitted the names to ASO. And to their riders, which is why the dutch lad confirmed he was not starting.

 

[Singer01]

Re: Re:

Sadly now, if Froome starts, some piss head on the side of the road is going to cause him damage

Well if his own team wouldn't be so shady that wouldn't have happened in the first place.

ridiculous justification, every team out there is shady as f'ck, nobody would finish a race if we give carte blanche to drunks on the side of the road to take matters into their own hands.

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

I don't like that tentative to ban Froome just a week before.

At least state the fact one month before so the rider can adapt his schedule ...

Now it just seems schemy.

Hadto wait untilSKY named team as otherwise 'banning' a rider not racing

I can't see that Sky have named their team yet: not on their website or on their twitter feed.

Yes, but I think they sent their squad to ASO last week, and we have the response right now.

 

[Tim Booth]

I don't like that tentative to ban Froome just a week before.

At least state the fact one month before so the rider can adapt his schedule ...

Now it just seems schemy.

Hadto wait untilSKY named team as otherwise 'banning' a rider not racing

I can't see that Sky have named their team yet: not on their website or on their twitter feed.

Yes, but I think they sent their squad to ASO last week, and we have the response right now.

On what basis do you think that they sent their squad to ASO last week ?

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

I don't like that tentative to ban Froome just a week before.

At least state the fact one month before so the rider can adapt his schedule ...

Now it just seems schemy.

Hadto wait untilSKY named team as otherwise 'banning' a rider not racing

I can't see that Sky have named their team yet: not on their website or on their twitter feed.

Yes, but I think they sent their squad to ASO last week, and we have the response right now.

On what basis do you think that they sent their squad to ASO last week ?

Because without sending the squad we will not have the response, I mean ASO trying to exclude Froome.

 

[Koronin]

I agree with Sky-Bot, Sky would have sent their roster in to the Tour/ASO last week even though they haven't publicly announced it. One other note, Movistar is notorious for not submitting their roster to any race organization until the last possible minute and they have already announced their Tour roster. So it's highly likely that the Tour/ASO required rosters submitted to them by sometime last week. I'm fairly sure it's the race roster, plus a handful of other rider's names in case something happens to one of the list and he can't start so someone on that sub-list gets the call.

 

[Escarabajo]

I don't like that tentative to ban Froome just a week before.

At least state the fact one month before so the rider can adapt his schedule ...

Now it just seems schemy.

Hadto wait untilSKY named team as otherwise 'banning' a rider not racing

I can't see that Sky have named their team yet: not on their website or on their twitter feed.

Yes, but I think they sent their squad to ASO last week, and we have the response right now.

On what basis do you think that they sent their squad to ASO last week ?

Unless you work with ASO you wouldn't know. But there was a leak last week so probably teams were requested to submit team line ups early. Just guessing.

 

[CTQ]

Re: Re:

What on earth does that even mean. There hasn't been a single sunset without some commentary from Lappartient, and here he is again, commentating on how he is gonna comment.

probably caught unaware by a journalist and had to respond with something....

Rumours about a decision next week , that innocent verdict was imminent, maybe this is why he won't comment

https://twitter.com/friebos/status/1013421271525351425 I have no idea. I'm not that familiar with the body now adjudicating & their modus operandi. Sky think their case is compelling, maybe irrefutable, but Froome still hasn't been cleared. It's funny because there had been rumours in last few days that innocent verdict was imminent.
https://twitter.com/friebos/status/1013489891139825664 To the second question, it's been other team managers, riders & journalists. More murmurs than anything specific, though.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Surprise omission Mathias Frank is now back on the Ag2r team at the expense of Geniez

 

[CTQ]

Re:

Surprise omission Mathias Frank is now back on the Ag2r team at the expense of Geniez

from L`Equipe : Le Suisse Mathias Frank remplace Alexandre Geniez dans l'équipe AG2R La Mondiale au Tour de France (départ le samedi 7 juillet, en Vendée). La décision a été prise par le staff en concertation avec le coureur aveyronnais dont le niveau de forme a été jugé insuffisant après un Giro éreintant (11e).

Switzerland's Mathias Frank replaces Alexandre Geniez in the AG2R La Mondiale team at the Tour de France (starting Saturday, July 7, in Vendée). The decision was taken by the staff in consultation with the Aveyron rider whose level of fitness was considered insufficient after a grueling Giro (11th).