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Hmmm, was signed off only by Zorzoli, never went to a 3 man committee, blatantly broke the rules fast track emergency or no http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/06/news/uci-accused-allowing-froome-unfair-use-corticosteroids_331970 Particularly like the line about Cookson's son working for Sky but that not raising any questions
A lot of butter on that head, it seems
TheSpud said:
Hmmm, was signed off only by Zorzoli, never went to a 3 man committee, blatantly broke the rules fast track emergency or no http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/06/news/uci-accused-allowing-froome-unfair-use-corticosteroids_331970 Particularly like the line about Cookson's son working for Sky but that not raising any questions
A lot of butter on that head, it seems
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Uh. Did he really say that? Start arguing in this way and you might as well microdose your way into the playing field. Hardly the best way to get out of this mess.
TourOfSardinia said:
Uh. Did he really say that? Start arguing in this way and you might as well microdose your way into the playing field. Hardly the best way to get out of this mess.
Just watched Wiggins interview on Andrew Marr show. Basically said that he didn't write his autobiography that was released in 2012 and that back when he said he had never had injections he said that 'I was never directly asked if I had had injections for valid medical reasons' and all questions were around doping so if he had said that he had then (the general public) people wouldn't know the difference. He also went on about the fact that it was at the same time as the Armstrong scadal blah blah.
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He also confirmed that this went through several doctors all of whom could of said no.
el chava said:TourOfSardinia said:
Uh. Did he really say that? Start arguing in this way and you might as well microdose your way into the playing field. Hardly the best way to get out of this mess.
He also confirmed that this went through several doctors all of whom could of said no.
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Phew, everything is ok. Thanks Brad for going on the Marr show.
Whilst all those nasty cyclists who say the steroid injections have a beneficial effect on performance were abusing it use, he used it for something very different that we need to understand. Apparently, during the months of April through to July he suffers very badly with asthma and so he took the drug to "cure" this ailment. He was using it for medical reasons, a totally different reason and so because he was using it for his asthma it would have no effect on his performance. Thanks for clearing that up Brad. [We won't dwell on the fact that use of the same injection is allowed in out of competition use because WADA decided it cost too much to test for, so they opened up a the field to any team "that want to get right up to the line" to "do nothing wrong" and inject as much of it as they want out of competition. ]
And anyway, Brad tells us that the sport Cycling has a very strict code of rules that Sky keep to. They never break any of them. Brad assures us that "everything Sky do is 100% within the rules". So that is great, I can sleep easily tonight. And he gave us the detail of what happens in the case of TUEs that Sky apply for. First of all a medical specialist has to deem it the most suitable treatment, then it has to be approved by no less than three independent medical experts and then WADA and the UCI approve it and only then after those three medical experts and the UCI and WADA have approved it can you then be injected with steroids.
Which is all great.
So I look forward to seeing the copy of the letter that Sky write to the UCI telling them that under no circumstances can one man at the UCI approve a TUE, as they, like me, might have heard has happened. There must be three of them and any team attempting something at the last minute and one person approving it, is not only dodgy practice, it is against the rules that are strictly applied in the sport of Cycling. I think Sky should not send it to any of them minions but it should be sent direct to the top man there, after all they abide by the rules 100%, so any team getting around the rules with a last minute TUE need to be stopped. After all, I believe that when the top man stood for election, one of his manifesto pledges was no dodgy TUEs approved through the back door, everything would have to be approved by a committee first and that as soon as he came to office he was going to ensure this happened. Yes they should tell him. After all in 2012, when Brad won the Tour, he was on the board of Tour Racing Limited the owning organisation of Team Sky, so I think he knows about how Team Sky would never break any of the rules, indeed , as Brad told us, everything Team Sky do is 100% within the rules and he should make sure other teams keep 100% in the rules as well.
Glad we weren't in the months of April through July otherwise all those flowers and pollen near Brad during the interview might have set him off. As it was, he only got seriously ill just those three times and needed "curing" just before those three GTs. Life - just when you are getting ready for your big day and have done all the hard work, doesn't something always go and scr*w it up. Good job there was a medical expert on hand.
Whilst all those nasty cyclists who say the steroid injections have a beneficial effect on performance were abusing it use, he used it for something very different that we need to understand. Apparently, during the months of April through to July he suffers very badly with asthma and so he took the drug to "cure" this ailment. He was using it for medical reasons, a totally different reason and so because he was using it for his asthma it would have no effect on his performance. Thanks for clearing that up Brad. [We won't dwell on the fact that use of the same injection is allowed in out of competition use because WADA decided it cost too much to test for, so they opened up a the field to any team "that want to get right up to the line" to "do nothing wrong" and inject as much of it as they want out of competition. ]
And anyway, Brad tells us that the sport Cycling has a very strict code of rules that Sky keep to. They never break any of them. Brad assures us that "everything Sky do is 100% within the rules". So that is great, I can sleep easily tonight. And he gave us the detail of what happens in the case of TUEs that Sky apply for. First of all a medical specialist has to deem it the most suitable treatment, then it has to be approved by no less than three independent medical experts and then WADA and the UCI approve it and only then after those three medical experts and the UCI and WADA have approved it can you then be injected with steroids.
Which is all great.
So I look forward to seeing the copy of the letter that Sky write to the UCI telling them that under no circumstances can one man at the UCI approve a TUE, as they, like me, might have heard has happened. There must be three of them and any team attempting something at the last minute and one person approving it, is not only dodgy practice, it is against the rules that are strictly applied in the sport of Cycling. I think Sky should not send it to any of them minions but it should be sent direct to the top man there, after all they abide by the rules 100%, so any team getting around the rules with a last minute TUE need to be stopped. After all, I believe that when the top man stood for election, one of his manifesto pledges was no dodgy TUEs approved through the back door, everything would have to be approved by a committee first and that as soon as he came to office he was going to ensure this happened. Yes they should tell him. After all in 2012, when Brad won the Tour, he was on the board of Tour Racing Limited the owning organisation of Team Sky, so I think he knows about how Team Sky would never break any of the rules, indeed , as Brad told us, everything Team Sky do is 100% within the rules and he should make sure other teams keep 100% in the rules as well.
Glad we weren't in the months of April through July otherwise all those flowers and pollen near Brad during the interview might have set him off. As it was, he only got seriously ill just those three times and needed "curing" just before those three GTs. Life - just when you are getting ready for your big day and have done all the hard work, doesn't something always go and scr*w it up. Good job there was a medical expert on hand.
Can you get more unlucky? Not only does he have to fight mother nature at the worst possible time (over and over again), there is also the uninformed fans/press to contend with. All he wants to do is get up in the morning, put on some lycra, and spin those pedals in search of lucrative contracts and knighthoods - without having to explain the sinister machinations of it all to ordinary folks. Just enjoy the spectacle, buy my books and be content. Is it really to much to ask for?
Pretty damning when even the meek Dave Millar (who has interests in UK media) allows quotes that basically throw Wiggins under the bus. Millar might yet become an anti-doping hero! Plus BW's doctor at Garmin was pretty credible in putting the boot in (both are far more credible witnesses than Rasmussen in my opinion, who has nothing to lose by speaking out).
Both the UCI and Sky come out of this terribly given the strong whiffs of collusion. Wiggins less so given his use of non-performance enhancing alternatives for similar ailments in 2008/09 which encompassed his fourth place finish at the TdF (when he was also near skeletal). Thank heavens the use of TUEs has been tightened up on. I'm all for medical confidentiality for sensitive cases but for something like asthma, that has some remedies that are performance enhancing, we need a public list of what TUE each rider is on prior to the start of each race.
Despite all that, it is worth remembering that this action is considerably less damning than the likes of Valverde, Contador and even Yates; for the simple reason that it was done in a legal manner and was requested in advance. This revelation alone isn't enough to derail Sky or call into question the legality of Wiggins' victory. It does however tarnish their brand a little in the eyes of the UK public and might caution them to be on their best behaviour next season.
Froome must be laughing his head off that the leaks cast more of a shadow over Wiggins than himself. That's the thing I still find hardest or believe out of this whole episode.
Both the UCI and Sky come out of this terribly given the strong whiffs of collusion. Wiggins less so given his use of non-performance enhancing alternatives for similar ailments in 2008/09 which encompassed his fourth place finish at the TdF (when he was also near skeletal). Thank heavens the use of TUEs has been tightened up on. I'm all for medical confidentiality for sensitive cases but for something like asthma, that has some remedies that are performance enhancing, we need a public list of what TUE each rider is on prior to the start of each race.
Despite all that, it is worth remembering that this action is considerably less damning than the likes of Valverde, Contador and even Yates; for the simple reason that it was done in a legal manner and was requested in advance. This revelation alone isn't enough to derail Sky or call into question the legality of Wiggins' victory. It does however tarnish their brand a little in the eyes of the UK public and might caution them to be on their best behaviour next season.
Froome must be laughing his head off that the leaks cast more of a shadow over Wiggins than himself. That's the thing I still find hardest or believe out of this whole episode.
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Wiggins claims 3 specialists 'validated' the illness. Where are they? Why are they not present in Manchester with Brailsford and Wiggins to answer questions? BS.
Sky have been caught lying. Wiggins was on the Andrew Marr show with 2 politicians and he looked the least believable.
veganrob said:
Wiggins claims 3 specialists 'validated' the illness. Where are they? Why are they not present in Manchester with Brailsford and Wiggins to answer questions? BS.
Sky have been caught lying. Wiggins was on the Andrew Marr show with 2 politicians and he looked the least believable.
Wiggins & his TUE
Everything looks legitimate BUT what got me was Wiggins comment "This was about putting myself back on a level playing-field in order to compete at the highest level". Isn't that what all the riders said during the Armstrong doping era? Didn't Bradley condemn the riders for that philosophy and now he's saying the same thing?
Everything looks legitimate BUT what got me was Wiggins comment "This was about putting myself back on a level playing-field in order to compete at the highest level". Isn't that what all the riders said during the Armstrong doping era? Didn't Bradley condemn the riders for that philosophy and now he's saying the same thing?
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If it was all legitimate Wiggins wouldn't be taking the flak and Sk would be showing us the hows and whys a drug like Kenacort was needed for Wiggins and who recommended it, who were the TUE committee that approved it etc etc..
Nope. We are getting Sky trying to throw Wiggins under a bus via media and refusing to talk. Doesn't look legit at all.
No one gets prescribed Kenacort for asthma or allergies since the 90s. NHS calls it a toxic drug.
kkbrown52 said:
If it was all legitimate Wiggins wouldn't be taking the flak and Sk would be showing us the hows and whys a drug like Kenacort was needed for Wiggins and who recommended it, who were the TUE committee that approved it etc etc..
Nope. We are getting Sky trying to throw Wiggins under a bus via media and refusing to talk. Doesn't look legit at all.
No one gets prescribed Kenacort for asthma or allergies since the 90s. NHS calls it a toxic drug.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/cycling/8993281/London-2012-Olympics-Bradley-Wiggins-says-David-Millars-lifetime-bans-should-be-upheld.html
“Sometimes we speak very selfishly and it’s easy to bury your head in the sand and forget about everything else,” Wiggins said. “To have Dave in the team purely from a performance point of view, it would be fantastic for Mark in terms of trying to win the Olympic road race. It would take the pressure off me having to do a massive job, because I can think about the time trial.
“But from a moral point of view, from what cycling is trying to achieve, from what cycling’s been through the last few years, for what the Olympics stand for, he should never be able to do the Olympics again. The fact that we’re still talking about it almost nine years after Dave first got banned for it shows how behind the times we are. If there’s an inkling that someone can get back in, there’s already a fault in the system.”
I wonder if this had something to do with it:Fergoose said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/cycling/8993281/London-2012-Olympics-Bradley-Wiggins-says-David-Millars-lifetime-bans-should-be-upheld.html
“Sometimes we speak very selfishly and it’s easy to bury your head in the sand and forget about everything else,” Wiggins said. “To have Dave in the team purely from a performance point of view, it would be fantastic for Mark in terms of trying to win the Olympic road race. It would take the pressure off me having to do a massive job, because I can think about the time trial.
“But from a moral point of view, from what cycling is trying to achieve, from what cycling’s been through the last few years, for what the Olympics stand for, he should never be able to do the Olympics again. The fact that we’re still talking about it almost nine years after Dave first got banned for it shows how behind the times we are. If there’s an inkling that someone can get back in, there’s already a fault in the system.”
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