Pulling a Wiggins

[42x16ss]

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If Wiggins goes down, I bet he's gonna toss Froome under the bus double quick. No way he sits around next summer watching Dawg in yellow all over the media. Won't matter who else goes down too. Might even be a bonus if this takes out Cookson as part of a package deal?

You can never expect scum like wiggins to do the right thing. In the movies a bad guy, put into a certain situation by certain circumstances, can become a good guy or at least help a little bit, but in real life, rotten people like Wiggins stay rotten, even if they get caught.

Look at how coward Lance defends modern cycling as clean and even apologizes to Froome and Sky for making their Tours more difficult. Sky waste no opportunity to pile on Lance and use him as a scapegoat. But Lance, knowing full well its a sham, just eats his **** and smiles and says "thank you can i have another"

I suspect that Lance is simply egging them on, knowing full well that when Wigans, Froome and Co. get busted it's going to be hilarious watching them squirm.

TBF, it's probably what I'd do in his shoes.

 

[Sorped]

With his newly announced participation in "The Jump", I can't help but feel that Wiggo is really on the offensive to "clear his name". For a man who likes his privacy, taking part in a celebrity-program seems desperate to me.

 

[thehog]

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With his newly announced participation in "The Jump", I can't help but feel that Wiggo is really on the offensive to "clear his name". For a man who likes his privacy, taking part in a celebrity-program seems desperate to me.

Reminds me of the post retirement reality/doco "Race to Replace" with Lance. The eventual winner ended up not accepting his prize because he thought Lance was a massive doper! :lol:

Discovery Channel looking for new Lance Armstrong

After Lance Armstrong's retirement from cycling last year, the Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team is...

After Lance Armstrong's retirement from cycling last year, the Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team is continuing to work with him to find his replacement - by no means a small task.

In a media release announcing the "Race To Replace", Discovery Channel said that Lance Armstrong will be "the centrepiece of the campaign, which will include a major cycling event, exclusive online content and an extensive marketing and advertising campaign, lending his support to the team from the sidelines. Armstrong will also lend his vibrant image and brand to the campaign as it follows the journey to find the next team leader who will replace Armstrong and on to victory."

Discovery Channel president Billy Campbell said, "Lance is entrenched in the success of the team and continues to be an inspiration and iconic hero both in the United States and abroad. And now that he has hung up the jersey, his role will change so that a new leader will emerge from a stellar group of athletes. Lance's hunger to see the team succeed has only grown, and we look forward to serving as mentor and friend off the bike."

The focus of the campaign will be at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway for the Race on Replace on August 12, 2006. Net proceeds from the event will be donated to the Lance Armstrong Foundation, an organisation founded by Armstrong to inspire the 1.3 million Americans who are diagnosed with cancer each year. During the Race to Replace, cyclists of all levels and ages will be able to test their mettle on the international speedway and have an opportunity to ride with Armstrong, as well as participate in a full day of activities, including family-friendly events, live music and more. The winner of the Race will have the honour of donning the Discovery Channel jersey and race as a member of the team in the U.S. Pro Championship in September in Greenville, South Carolina.

 

[Benotti69]

Matt Lawton was told what was in the jiffy bag but reckons unless Dr Freeman or Wiggins admits to administering or receiving said substance we will never have proof.

But the jiffy bag is just another dot in a long line of dots when joined point to a team that joined fully into the culture of the sport. Doping.

Wiggins, Brailsford and Sky will forever have this black mark against them and when Walsh( or other) finally does his (their) research, collects all the dots it will leave the reader with no doubt that Sky out USPS'd the rest.

Wiggins doing the Jump tv show is probably his PR people telling him that he needs to do something away from cycling so people will talk about that rather than cycling, and keep his name in the public to make the $$$$$s

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/38534318
Froome told BBC Sport it was "healthy" to be asking questions about why Wiggins was granted a TUE to take anti-inflammatory drug triamcinolone before the 2011 Tour de France, his 2012 Tour win and the 2013 Giro d'Italia.

There is no suggestion that either Froome, Wiggins, British Cycling or Team Sky have broken any rules.

 

[Zypherov]

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http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/38534318
Froome told BBC Sport it was "healthy" to be asking questions about why Wiggins was granted a TUE to take anti-inflammatory drug triamcinolone before the 2011 Tour de France, his 2012 Tour win and the 2013 Giro d'Italia.

There is no suggestion that either Froome, Wiggins, British Cycling or Team Sky have broken any rules.

Yes, absolutely no rules broken. Try telling that to the conspiracy theorists on here.

 

[ColonelKidneyBeans]

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http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/38534318
Froome told BBC Sport it was "healthy" to be asking questions about why Wiggins was granted a TUE to take anti-inflammatory drug triamcinolone before the 2011 Tour de France, his 2012 Tour win and the 2013 Giro d'Italia.

There is no suggestion that either Froome, Wiggins, British Cycling or Team Sky have broken any rules.

Yes, absolutely no rules broken. Try telling that to the conspiracy theorists on here.

It's funny to equate people believing there's a doping conspiracy behind incredible performances in cycling, with a good quantity/quality of evidence and historical precedents to support it, to people who believes that shape-shifting, baby eating, reptilians/jews/wathever rule the world... There are clear differences and such a derogatory term is not warranted i think.

 

[Benotti69]

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http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/38534318
Froome told BBC Sport it was "healthy" to be asking questions about why Wiggins was granted a TUE to take anti-inflammatory drug triamcinolone before the 2011 Tour de France, his 2012 Tour win and the 2013 Giro d'Italia.

There is no suggestion that either Froome, Wiggins, British Cycling or Team Sky have broken any rules.

Yes, absolutely no rules broken. Try telling that to the conspiracy theorists on here.

They did break rules because Wiggins doesn't have asthma.

 

[ferryman]

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Matt Lawton was told what was in the jiffy bag but reckons unless Dr Freeman or Wiggins admits to administering or receiving said substance we will never have proof.

But the jiffy bag is just another dot in a long line of dots when joined point to a team that joined fully into the culture of the sport. Doping.

Wiggins, Brailsford and Sky will forever have this black mark against them and when Walsh( or other) finally does his (their) research, collects all the dots it will leave the reader with no doubt that Sky out USPS'd the rest.

Wiggins doing the Jump tv show is probably his PR people telling him that he needs to do something away from cycling so people will talk about that rather than cycling, and keep his name in the public to make the $$$$$s

There is at least one other person in the know in Manchester. Whoever bought and sealed the jiffy bag for collection...

 

[Benotti69]

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Matt Lawton was told what was in the jiffy bag but reckons unless Dr Freeman or Wiggins admits to administering or receiving said substance we will never have proof.

But the jiffy bag is just another dot in a long line of dots when joined point to a team that joined fully into the culture of the sport. Doping.

Wiggins, Brailsford and Sky will forever have this black mark against them and when Walsh( or other) finally does his (their) research, collects all the dots it will leave the reader with no doubt that Sky out USPS'd the rest.

Wiggins doing the Jump tv show is probably his PR people telling him that he needs to do something away from cycling so people will talk about that rather than cycling, and keep his name in the public to make the $$$$$s

There is at least one other person in the know in Manchester. Whoever bought and sealed the jiffy bag for collection...

Knowing what was in the jiffy bag doesn't prove it was given to Wiggins. Although at this stage it would be very hard to argue that is wasn't given to Wiggins it is now known that Cope was 'special courier' to deliver said jiffy bag for Wiggins and the claim it was Fluimicil.

If someone does say it was Testosterone or other PED and Sky try to claim it was not for Wiggins it will not be believed.

Not that important, as the amount of lies Brailsford/Sky have told on this alone points to a doping team, never mind all the other stuff.

 

[wansteadimp]

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Wiggins doing the Jump tv show is probably his PR people telling him that he needs to do something away from cycling so people will talk about that rather than cycling, and keep his name in the public to make the $$$$$s

I'm betting he doesn't survive The Jump, the shows previous history, schnapps flowing freely, Wiggins renowned skills going down hill in slippery conditions.

I think Dave Brailsford is going to go all Jimmy the Gent from Goodfellas and start to take out all the people that can grass him up :twisted:

 

[ferryman]

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Matt Lawton was told what was in the jiffy bag but reckons unless Dr Freeman or Wiggins admits to administering or receiving said substance we will never have proof.

But the jiffy bag is just another dot in a long line of dots when joined point to a team that joined fully into the culture of the sport. Doping.

Wiggins, Brailsford and Sky will forever have this black mark against them and when Walsh( or other) finally does his (their) research, collects all the dots it will leave the reader with no doubt that Sky out USPS'd the rest.

Wiggins doing the Jump tv show is probably his PR people telling him that he needs to do something away from cycling so people will talk about that rather than cycling, and keep his name in the public to make the $$$$$s

There is at least one other person in the know in Manchester. Whoever bought and sealed the jiffy bag for collection...

Knowing what was in the jiffy bag doesn't prove it was given to Wiggins. Although at this stage it would be very hard to argue that is wasn't given to Wiggins it is now known that Cope was 'special courier' to deliver said jiffy bag for Wiggins and the claim it was Fluimicil.

If someone does say it was Testosterone or other PED and Sky try to claim it was not for Wiggins it will not be believed.

Not that important, as the amount of lies Brailsford/Sky have told on this alone points to a doping team, never mind all the other stuff.

Agree with all you say. But someone in Manchester, I assume employed by BC or Sky, sourced and 'bagged up' waiting for delivery. That is a thread I would be pursuing as a journo..

 

[Random Direction]

Having known a bunch of journos, the higher chance of a big story would be taking Sir Wiggle a Lot out for pints, starting a drinking game based on how many times each swears watching a Brailsford interview, ensuring that Brad gets completely toasted before the journo does (drinking is a developed ability for a lot of journos), handing him a tablet with twitter and the clinic, and goad him into going nuclear on froome and Brailsford. As a strategy it is not beyond the realm of possibility that it would work. Probably 1 in 50, which means that a bunch of trips to the pub should do the trick.

 

[samhocking]

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Matt Lawton was told what was in the jiffy bag but reckons unless Dr Freeman or Wiggins admits to administering or receiving said substance we will never have proof.

But the jiffy bag is just another dot in a long line of dots when joined point to a team that joined fully into the culture of the sport. Doping.

Wiggins, Brailsford and Sky will forever have this black mark against them and when Walsh( or other) finally does his (their) research, collects all the dots it will leave the reader with no doubt that Sky out USPS'd the rest.

Wiggins doing the Jump tv show is probably his PR people telling him that he needs to do something away from cycling so people will talk about that rather than cycling, and keep his name in the public to make the $$$$$s

There is at least one other person in the know in Manchester. Whoever bought and sealed the jiffy bag for collection...

Knowing what was in the jiffy bag doesn't prove it was given to Wiggins. Although at this stage it would be very hard to argue that is wasn't given to Wiggins it is now known that Cope was 'special courier' to deliver said jiffy bag for Wiggins and the claim it was Fluimicil.

If someone does say it was Testosterone or other PED and Sky try to claim it was not for Wiggins it will not be believed.

Not that important, as the amount of lies Brailsford/Sky have told on this alone points to a doping team, never mind all the other stuff.

Agree with all you say. But someone in Manchester, I assume employed by BC or Sky, sourced and 'bagged up' waiting for delivery. That is a thread I would be pursuing as a journo..

It really doesn't matter who knows. There seems to be a stalemate of UKAD telling BC not to investigate, but UKADs boss saying they should find out what's in the package on behalf of UKAD? UKAD asking an NGB to investigate a rider over an anti-doping matter is clearly never going to be allowed to be see to have happened. Clearly you can see the problem and why this is going nowhere unless Wiggins wants it too. NGB's should never be involved in any anti-doping procedures other than informing athletes of bans and teams shouldn't be involved in investigating their own riders and passing on that as evidence to to an NADA either for similarly equal reasons.
This is UKADs investigation and up to them to find out. If they believe it's illegal, then they can bring about events to take this way above GMC.

 

[thehog]

Bob Willis who works at Tesco, Reading, south of London, said he'd never use uppers or aphetimines whilst stacking shelves on his night shift. "I'd rather be a professional cyclist than take drugs" Willis said from his Reading bedsit.

 

[Red Rick]

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Having known a bunch of journos, the higher chance of a big story would be taking Sir Wiggle a Lot out for pints, starting a drinking game based on how many times each swears watching a Brailsford interview, ensuring that Brad gets completely toasted before the journo does (drinking is a developed ability for a lot of journos), handing him a tablet with twitter and the clinic, and goad him into going nuclear on froome and Brailsford. As a strategy it is not beyond the realm of possibility that it would work. Probably 1 in 50, which means that a bunch of trips to the pub should do the trick.

Seems like the tactic for Wiggo. Why are we not funding this?

 

[ontheroad]

With the UK journalists finally belatedly beginning to ask questions, and after Kenworthys comments in the press today, I can't see how Cope and Freeman (and Brailsford again) won't be called in front of the select committee for further questioning to gain satisfactory answers. Based on the lack of information that they appear to have given UKAD, they have been treating Damian Collins and his MPs as though they are mugs who can be easily hoodwinked.

It appears as though Brailsford is still expecting this story to disappear with lies to try and cover lies. He told the select committee that Cope dropped off the Jiffy bag since he was already travelling to France anyway on a planned journey. However in Matt Lawtons (who has proven himself to be an excellent journalist on this story) article today, it appears as though the travel for Copes trip was only booked on the same day that the jiffy back was collected in Manchester. Bare faced lie after bare faced lie.

 

[sniper]

Matheson landing another left hook on the chin.
https://twitter.com/kenem/status/818038395805040640

 

[yaco]

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Matt Lawton was told what was in the jiffy bag but reckons unless Dr Freeman or Wiggins admits to administering or receiving said substance we will never have proof.

But the jiffy bag is just another dot in a long line of dots when joined point to a team that joined fully into the culture of the sport. Doping.

Wiggins, Brailsford and Sky will forever have this black mark against them and when Walsh( or other) finally does his (their) research, collects all the dots it will leave the reader with no doubt that Sky out USPS'd the rest.

Wiggins doing the Jump tv show is probably his PR people telling him that he needs to do something away from cycling so people will talk about that rather than cycling, and keep his name in the public to make the $$$$$s

There is at least one other person in the know in Manchester. Whoever bought and sealed the jiffy bag for collection...

Knowing what was in the jiffy bag doesn't prove it was given to Wiggins. Although at this stage it would be very hard to argue that is wasn't given to Wiggins it is now known that Cope was 'special courier' to deliver said jiffy bag for Wiggins and the claim it was Fluimicil.

If someone does say it was Testosterone or other PED and Sky try to claim it was not for Wiggins it will not be believed.

Not that important, as the amount of lies Brailsford/Sky have told on this alone points to a doping team, never mind all the other stuff.

Agree with all you say. But someone in Manchester, I assume employed by BC or Sky, sourced and 'bagged up' waiting for delivery. That is a thread I would be pursuing as a journo..

It really doesn't matter who knows. There seems to be a stalemate of UKAD telling BC not to investigate, but UKADs boss saying they should find out what's in the package on behalf of UKAD? UKAD asking an NGB to investigate a rider over an anti-doping matter is clearly never going to be allowed to be see to have happened. Clearly you can see the problem and why this is going nowhere unless Wiggins wants it too. NGB's should never be involved in any anti-doping procedures other than informing athletes of bans and teams shouldn't be involved in investigating their own riders and passing on that as evidence to to an NADA either for similarly equal reasons.
This is UKADs investigation and up to them to find out. If they believe it's illegal, then they can bring about events to take this way above GMC.

As usual you hit the nail on the head - Ultimately it will come down to ' he said, she said' situation,unless the whistle-blower has documentary evidence - Whether Brailsford survives ( assuming no action taken by UKAD ), I suspect poor morale could lead to riders leaving contracted or not - Froome is distancing himself from Brailsford, Thomas has an option for 2018 and it continues.Reckon if Froome leaves he'll be heavily courted by the two French teams.

 

[del1962]

Bob Willis who works at Tesco, Reading, south of London, said he'd never use uppers or aphetimines whilst stacking shelves on his night shift. "I'd rather be a professional cyclist than take drugs" Willis said from his Reading bedsit.

Wasn't he the guy that bowled the Aussies out for about 25 runs or something like that

 

[vedrafjord]

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Reckon if Froome leaves he'll be heavily courted by the two French teams.

I can't see that in a million years. What would the French public think if Skeletor was parachuted in ahead of Pinot or Bardet? I would think some Anglo team like BMC. Although if Sky did fall apart I wouldn't be surprised if some other British backer stepped in and kept the license or started a new team like Liberty Seguros -> Astana. I think Wiggins could rapidly be scapegoated ("he's way older than the rest", "he was probably doping before Sky", "he only started climbing well late in his career") and a sponsor could say "we're doing this so those great young clean riders don't suffer on account of Wiggins" and a lot of people would lap it up. The whole cycling juggernaut in Britain is too big to stop now.

 

[Benotti69]

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Reckon if Froome leaves he'll be heavily courted by the two French teams.

I can't see that in a million years. What would the French public think if Skeletor was parachuted in ahead of Pinot or Bardet? I would think some Anglo team like BMC. Although if Sky did fall apart I wouldn't be surprised if some other British backer stepped in and kept the license or started a new team like Liberty Seguros -> Astana. I think Wiggins could rapidly be scapegoated ("he's way older than the rest", "he was probably doping before Sky", "he only started climbing well late in his career") and a sponsor could say "we're doing this so those great young clean riders don't suffer on account of Wiggins" and a lot of people would lap it up. The whole cycling juggernaut in Britain is too big to stop now.

I reckon BMC would love Froome. Rihs wanting to get another TdF win.

 

[King Boonen]

Honestly, I think almost any team would love Froome. Currently he's as much as a guaranteed TdF win as anyone has ever been.

 

[Benotti69]

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Honestly, I think almost any team would love Froome. Currently he's as much as a guaranteed TdF win as anyone has ever been.

I think a lot of teams would be hesitant in case he gets caught up in the fall out from Sky.

 

[King Boonen]

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Honestly, I think almost any team would love Froome. Currently he's as much as a guaranteed TdF win as anyone has ever been.

I think a lot of teams would be hesitant in case he gets caught up in the fall out from Sky.

Possibly, but unless something else comes out he's looking no worse than he did before all this, arguably looks better. I think most teams would jump at the chance and if anything came up it's easy to blame the team that imploded. We're getting off topic for this thread now though so should move to the Froome thread if we continue.