Pulling a Wiggins

[mewmewmew13]

Wiggans finished a race Must be back to 2012 form now!!!

Next week!
look out!

 

[Ripper]

Just wait until next week, hes gonna light up the paris roubaix!

After all, he has been training for it. And when Wiggins trains and puts his mind to something he wins. Lets see if that theory will hold true again.

You need to add the rolling eyes or something!

 

[RobbieCanuck]

I believe the transformation begins in 2011. Nothing prior to 2011 suggests he's a grand tour field destroyer. This plainly defies the historical norm.

That's the super-summary to why he's likely doping

Thanks DW. It is pretty well what I assumed. I will check his palmares.

 

[42x16ss]

Wiggins was never really a great at long TTs until he became a GT rider though was he?

He was decent, mostly in GT TT's if he had an easy day or two in the gruppetto beforehand (eg. 2007 TdF) but nothing special. Second half of top 10 was generally his limit.

 

[gillan1969]

Thanks DW. It is pretty well what I assumed. I will check his palmares.

you could narrow that down further to the day before the vuelta nobody anywhere would have considered him a GT destroyer...indeed if you had so predicted...there would have been not just laughing behind your back but loud guffaws in your face....

a more credible question would be why anybody thought Froome wasn't doping...

 

[doperhopper]

Wiggans finished a race Must be back to 2012 form now!!!

and looks like he's planning something big, fill the Uniballer's boots:

Wiggins has set the Amgen Tour of California as a key goal for after targeting Sunday's Paris-Roubaix.

Team Sky is sponsored by 21st Century Fox -the US arm of News Corporation Wiggins told the Guardian newspaper that he wants to help fill the void left by Lance Armstrong.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

so why ffs did wiggo stop doping?

I posted this previously, but if you keep in mind his GB performances were all of 13 minutes riding 2-3 times a year, for which he received 75,000 GBP, while playing pro road rider with schmuck teams who were happy to have him fill the numbers, then the whole "bone idle lazy w*nkers" makes a lot of sense, right?

I mean, I can imagine someone as aggro as Brailsford saying that to Wiggo when Wiggo asked if he had a place on the team for 2010.

I'm leaning now more towards Wiggo deliberately taking a 2 year contract with Garmin for 2009/10 to thumb his nose at Brailsford.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

I'm leaning now more towards Wiggo deliberately taking a 2 year contract with Garmin for 2009/10 to thumb his nose at Brailsford.

In the event of a team offering you a contract and a team that does not exist offering you a potential one maybe, just maybe, the Garmin one seemed the smarter deal at the time. A one year contract, unless you are towards the end of your career, would be unusual.

Of course, why go with the most likely scenario when you can make up an unlikely one to fit your narrative.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

In the event of a team offering you a contract and a team that does not exist offering you a potential one maybe, just maybe, the Garmin one seemed the smarter deal at the time. A one year contract, unless you are towards the end of your career, would be unusual.

Of course, why go with the most likely scenario when you can make up an unlikely one to fit your narrative.

Sigh. I see your anti-Dear.Wiggo narrative and raise you real data.

Here's the data point I am basing my theory on:

After his debut senior classics season in 2008, Stannard went to live in Italy. Max Sciandri got him a ride for ISD, at the time run by Luca Scinto, whom he credits with teaching him a lot about the life of a pro (“how to train like a professional, and how to race like a professional”). He rode his first Grand Tour – the Giro.

The following year was strange. Quarrata, the little Tuscan town which was home to the GB Academy riders, became accustomed to the sight of a gaggle of Brits in a kaleidoscopic range of different kits, hoovering espresso and ice-cream in the town square. Mark Cavendish (HTC Columbia) was the resident-in-chief, but Steve Cummings, Geraint Thomas, Chris Froome (all Barloworld), Ben Swift (Katusha), Jonny Bellis (CSC) and Ian Stannard (ISD) were always buzzing around the town square on their Vespas, learning the affected ways of the continental pro.

“Max introduced me to watches and Vespas. Apparently it was very important, if you wanted to be a pro, to have a nice watch and a Vespa. Before you get a house, or anything, buy a nice watch, okay? It was almost like just filling in a year. Those teams were all offering two-year contracts, but we all wanted Sky. So it was a little bit random.”

Then, in 2010, Team Sky was born, and everything changed again.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Sigh. I see your anti-Dear.Wiggo narrative and raise you real data.

Here's the data point I am basing my theory on:

Well, lets take a look then

Cav: Signed to Sky in 2012
Swift:Joined 2010 cutting short his Katusha contract (similar to Wiggins)
Cummins: Barloworld shut shop in 2009 (so no contract I assume). Joined 2010.
Thomas: Same as Cummins plus was still on track
Bellis: Not a Sky rider
Stannard: Not sure what his contract situation was.

So Cav descides to stay on at existing club. Swift does the same as Wiggins. And the others didn't have any contracts to break.

Got any other 'data points'?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Stannard: Not sure what his contract situation was.

Despite quoting him as saying he took a one year contract so he could go to Sky?

Ok.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Despite quoting him as saying he took a one year contract so he could go to Sky?

Ok.

Was that in your quote?

Besides that was at a Conti team. I can see why you would hedge your bets and look to tradeup to a (potentially) pro-team. If you were at a pro-team already the decision is probably less straight forward.

Now, what about all the other riders other than Stannard?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

So really we have three riders on contracts.

One at a Conti team decides to take a chance.
One decides to do the same as Wiggins.
And one does not even sign for Sky until 2012.

Well, you convinced me. Great work. You should add this 'analysis' to the blog.

 

[DirtyWorks]

and looks like he's planning something big, fill the Uniballer's boots:

Wiggins has set the Amgen Tour of California as a key goal for after targeting Sunday's Paris-Roubaix.

Team Sky is sponsored by 21st Century Fox -the US arm of News Corporation Wiggins told the Guardian newspaper that he wants to help fill the void left by Lance Armstrong.

Which Wiggins will we get, Tour of Flanders, or Tour de France?

I'm predicting Wiggo out of P-R about the Arenberg sector with a Flanders-level performance. Join in on the fun in the road racing P-R threads!

 

[squarepeg]

I'd be half amused at the activity in here if he pulled a Boonen or Spartacus and just rode off into the distance with 40km to go, gaining time on a chasing pack of cobbled thoroughbreds! But I think we're safe from that prospect.

As I've said elsewhere on here, if he was on TT form and had some luck, I could see him possibly scraping a top ten, but doubt he has the skills on the cobbles for that

 

[squarepeg]

Also, re his TT form in the days when the consensus seems to be he may have been clean, it's not that bad when you take into account the riders who finished above him.

In 2007, he finished fourth in the prologue to Luigi, Teflon Kloden and Hincapie, whilst in the second, longer Albi TT, he was only behind Evans, Kash & Kloden again, beating Leipheimer and others.

Just saying, had shown he could mix with and beat a load of supposed, or confirmed juicers. On TT only tho!

Anyway, sure this point has been made before so I'll leave it there before I get accused of being a Wiggins/Sky fanboy!

 

[The Hitch]

I'd be half amused at the activity in here if he pulled a Boonen or Spartacus and just rode off into the distance with 40km to go, gaining time on a chasing pack of cobbled thoroughbreds! But I think we're safe from that prospect.

As I've said elsewhere on here, if he was on TT form and had some luck, I could see him possibly scraping a top ten, but doubt he has the skills on the cobbles for that

As an individual event, I don't think Wiggins winning Pr by a minute would be any more ridiculous than Wiggins winning the tour was.

The 2 events together though yes, it would be even funnier.

 

[squarepeg]

perhaps not more ridiculous, but certainly less predictable. I seem to remember being pleased with odds of about 2-1 for the tour, whilst i'm not remotely tempted at the 40s being offered!

 

[Granville57]

No one has shared this yet?

@TheRaceRadio
What is the pill in Wiggins shorts?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

No one has shared this yet?

 

[Gregga]

He seems fat. IMO it's the only reason of his issues : doesn't want to take weight loss drugs anymore but still has a good threshold power. So still good at time trials but domestique in the climbs.
Could be enough for top ten in Roubaix (forecast = sunny and warm)

 

[SundayRider]

As an individual event, I don't think Wiggins winning Pr by a minute would be any more ridiculous than Wiggins winning the tour was.

The 2 events together though yes, it would be even funnier.

Him winning the Tour was way more ridiculous than if he had won (or does win) P-R IMO.

 

[oldcrank]

I posted this previously, but if you keep in mind his GB performances were all of 13 minutes riding 2-3 times a year, for which he received 75,000 GBP, while playing pro road rider with schmuck teams who were happy to have him fill the numbers, then the whole "bone idle lazy w*nkers" makes a lot of sense, right?

I mean, I can imagine someone as aggro as Brailsford saying that to Wiggo when Wiggo asked if he had a place on the team for 2010.

I'm leaning now more towards Wiggo deliberately taking a 2 year contract with Garmin for 2009/10 to thumb his nose at Brailsford.

My friend, I believe it would have been well over an hour that
the King of Kilburn spent bringing glory to Great Britain during
the year of 2008...what with the Worlds and the Olympics
and the IP, the TP and the Madison at both Carnivals.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

My friend, I believe it would have been well over an hour that
the King of Kilburn spent bringing glory to Great Britain during
the year of 2008...what with the Worlds and the Olympics
and the IP, the TP and the Madison at both Carnivals.

I'm not your friend.

2008 was the year Brailsford nearly quit coz doper Hayles got pinged for super Hct values. No exemption form despite having raced for years on the international scene.

What I found curious was one of the Netherland guys got done at the same time, and was also ousted.

But check that first heat for the other Netherlands guy and the other GB guy.

Yeah baby, Netherlands dude smacked Wiggo for 6.

Then died in the bvtt the next round. Handy having worlds at Manchester, innit?

Sigh.

Reading Rob Hayles explanations later is funny.

Anyway, same ol' same ol', with our mate Henao undergoing the same miraculous weeks of testing that prove nothing untoward is / was going on.

So looking forward to the day they get pinged.

 

[sublimit]

I'm not your friend.

2008 was the year Brailsford nearly quit coz doper Hayles got pinged for super Hct values. No exemption form despite having raced for years on the international scene.

What I found curious was one of the Netherland guys got done at the same time, and was also ousted.

But check that first heat for the other Netherlands guy and the other GB guy.

Yeah baby, Netherlands dude smacked Wiggo for 6.

Then died in the bvtt the next round. Handy having worlds at Manchester, innit?

Sigh.

Reading Rob Hayles explanations later is funny.

Anyway, same ol' same ol', with our mate Henao undergoing the same miraculous weeks of testing that prove nothing untoward is / was going on.

So looking forward to the day they get pinged.[/QUOTE

Or you can always get yourself a life if that scenario doesn't play out. Or turn to drink or something.